Define Skill

starkerealm

Thogard wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

This'll be a civilized conversation.

I estimate it'll take three pages max before this becomes a "nerf sorc" thread.

"I can beat that. Nerf @Thogard's sorc!"

Leave my poor thogyaler alone, he's innocent! Lol

He can't be that innocent. He's been dipping into forbidden knowledge when you weren't looking.

eso_lags

Well i think of it as playing at a disadvantage when its appropriate.. trying to make things more challenging when you can, solo pvp, non meta pvp/pve builds, fun random vma builds etc.. Also, being able to do what you are doing almost perfectly. Playing your class in pvp or pve and doing it right..

For example, not using proc sets in the proc meta. And that doesnt mean proc set users dont or didnt have skill (although many didnt), if a skilled player used proc sets then it was 100x worse. Even crafters or flippers. There are people who know every potion combo, every food/drink recipe, all the motifs, all the costs of crafting, and most of the times its memorized. And people who flip items for money and do it very good.

Skill can be everywhere if you're good at what you're doing and challenging yourself when you can.

FloppyTouch

PvE no skill just remember mechanics and rotation

PvP skills fighting smart people and trying to out play them

starkerealm

FloppyTouch wrote: »

PvE no skill just remember mechanics and rotation

PvP skills fighting smart people and trying to out play them

Better to understand the mechanics than simply memorize them. If you understand them, then there's no reason to storm the forums to weep and lament every time a patch tweaks something.

Pele

Skill is understanding or gaining understanding of the game then proficiently applying that knowledge to playing the game.

Skilled players can create highly efficient builds and play these builds to their fullest. They can play any role, any class, and any race.

Skilled players have high adaptability, so they can adjust to any situation they find themselves in and master the constant changes to the game.

Skill is independent of gear. If skilled players were stripped of their gear, they'd still be good. Gear is a tool in the hands of the skilled - it's not what defines them.

Another hallmark of skilled players is they don't complain. Instead, their criticism is insightful and constructive because they actually know what they're talking about.

Qbiken

Vaoh wrote: »

A skilled player is just.... experienced. Or capable of performing tasks well.

If a player can complete Maesltrom Arena on Veteran difficulty, they are "skilled" at solo play. If someone puts out like 30K-40K DPS on a target skeleton, they are "skilled" at rotations and dealing damage. If you are in a trial guild that places high on the leaderboards, you can certainly be considered "skilled" at raids. Stuff like this.

To me the term "skilled" translates to how well you perform a task, which is usually representative for a player's experience.

Qbiken

itzTJ wrote: »

Well i think of it as playing at a disadvantage when its appropriate.. trying to make things more challenging when you can, solo pvp, non meta pvp/pve builds, fun random vma builds etc.. Also, being able to do what you are doing almost perfectly. Playing your class in pvp or pve and doing it right..

For example, not using proc sets in the proc meta. And that doesnt mean proc set users dont or didnt have skill (although many didnt), if a skilled player used proc sets then it was 100x worse. Even crafters or flippers. There are people who know every potion combo, every food/drink recipe, all the motifs, all the costs of crafting, and most of the times its memorized. And people who flip items for money and do it very good.

Skill can be everywhere if you're good at what you're doing and challenging yourself when you can.

Not using certain sets/procs and claim that it´s skilful is false pride in my eyes...

Bobby_V_Rockit

Skill: the effeciency of choice and implementation of actions to serve a desired goal. Eg. Choosing the right ability followed by the right action and implementation order while observing and compensating for environmental variables.

generalmyrick

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Skill: the effeciency of choice and implementation of actions to serve a desired goal. Eg. Choosing the right ability followed by the right action and implementation order while observing and compensating for environmental variables.

what about the typewriter-like animation cancelling i hear over all pvp chats when someone is 1vxing/1v1ing someone?

Stinkyremy

Moltyr wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Perma blocking and purposefully not fighting like a little baby does not require skill

Beating players in 1v1 or 1vX does require skill.

That's a start.

Tanks that kite bosses because they're scared to be hit. You're the TANK. It's your job to block with your face. STAND STILL so us DPS can do our job...

Every time I see a "tank" in PvE running around like a little girl, I die a little inside. It's kind of common sense I would assume? I mean a lot of damage is being applied just from AoE abilities. Moving the target out of those, as these kind of tanks do....pretty much wastes everyone's time lol.

What type of idiotic comment is this. A tanks job isn't to stand still and get hurt, it is a tanks job to make sure the damage is not going in the teams direction.
The job still involves rolling, blocking, staying away from AoE and DoTs like everyone elses job, just it also takes a lot more resource management and damage mitigation.
If you think you are so tough go stand in the 1hitKO bosses damage in CoS and die like the crap tank you would be.

AhPook_Is_Here

generalmyrick wrote: »

I thought this would be a good topic because there is always the person that says that, "x and y do not take skill...but z is skill."
BUT then someone says, "z takes no skill. Actually a, b, and c take skill."

Caution = try not to attack me for asking a question and not others because they think something is skill that you don't. Maybe someone says that something is skillless, that's ok! Only opinions! :-)

So somethings that I am curious about if it matters;
what race?
what class?
are there abilities that take skill?
etc..?

WHAT MAKES A PLAYERED SKILL V. UNSKILLED?

The ability to do something well. Like Picaso, he was a skilled painter.

generalmyrick wrote: »

I thought this would be a good topic because there is always the person that says that, "x and y do not take skill...but z is skill."
BUT then someone says, "z takes no skill. Actually a, b, and c take skill."

Caution = try not to attack me for asking a question and not others because they think something is skill that you don't. Maybe someone says that something is skillless, that's ok! Only opinions! :-)

So somethings that I am curious about if it matters;
what race?
what class?
are there abilities that take skill?
etc..?

WHAT MAKES A PLAYERED SKILL V. UNSKILLED?

Skilled just means doing something well. That makes the definition vague and subjective, one could say James Joyce was a skillful writer, and I'd agree, but others won't be able to read him, even if English is their native language, and get anything meaningful out of it. The subjective aspect of the concept allows for a lot of leeway in the application of the word. This allows for it's ambiguous use in video game rhetoric to reach whatever end you wish to reach with the help of a little popular opinion. However, if you are arguing about video games, and the fine points of micro-decisions in playing them you might be missing the point of the word "game", it's for fun, and if you are having it, fun, then you are doing something right, regardless of someone's definition of the word skill.

Personally, since this is a game, if I am having fun playing it, than I am playing it skillfully.

Asmael

By the rather classic definition: "the ability to do something well".

Now, that's the official definition, but...

By what I'd believe would be a more accurate definition: "the capability of executing complex tasks well", which introduces the idea that the concept of "skill" directly depends on the complexity of the task ahead and is directly proportional to it. A more complex task induces a higher effort, thus a higher skill ceiling. I can be pretty good at driving a car, but I am not a professional driver, thus am most likely much less skilled than people who drive on a (near) daily basis.

Being skilled also implies that, since it depends on a given task, one can be skilled in a particular domain but not something else. I'd say I'm pretty skilled when it comes to raiding as a DD (damage dealer), both through hard work, hours and hours of practice and theorycrafting. However, if you were to ask me to roll as a healer, you'd better be ready to pop up that shield / vigor for the next few days.

One last point is that you can be skilled either naturally or through practice. Being naturally skilled is called talent, being skilled through practice / study and work relates to experience. It can be seen with people naturally succeeding at completing tasks better than others given a similar experience (like 2 players starting a new game, and one of them pulling slightly ahead). Talent depends on numerous environmental factors: genetics, how you were raised and educated and luck - just to name a few.

But diz just mah opinion.

kylewwefan

2 players. Same gear. Same CP setup. Same race and class.

One does 20K DPS and dies a lot. The other does 50K DPS and immortal.

This is Skill. There may be hope though. Kind hearted players may take time to show the button mashers what to do.



At one time, the best player I knew had said animation canceling was the only skillful thing left in this game.i don't think learning AC will magically turn anyone into a monster powerhouse merlin wizard, but taking time to learn finer points of skilled combat couldn't hurt.



Last point, listen to gilliamtherogue or alcast or any pro gamers keystrokes when doing a parse. It sounds very rhythmic. It doesn't exactly correlate with console controllers. There is not much audible from them usually. No button mashing. They're making music with keystrokes and mouse clicks. Next level geek squad. Yep. This is skill nowadays.

EnglishTea123

OP, I can see where you're coming from in PvP perspective. A "skilled" player is the one, as mentioned by leepalmer, that knows how to use los to his/her (their from here on out) advantage, when to burst, and when to heal and such. But there's a catch to that. Usually, a "skilled" player uses the gears and skill rotations proven to be the most effective. Nothing wrong with that, as it largely depends on personal flavor. Some people will want to be at the top, and the only way to get there would be to compete with the best gear and skill rotations. And that's why you see so many of the same players just with different name, AR, and faction. No hate. But I do think that's the received perception of a "skilled" player. The reason I put quotation mark on the word skilled is because, you can also be a skilled player that knows how to use los, knows when and how to burst and/or heal, but if you are running a different gear setup WITH DIFFERENT SKILL ROTATION, chances are, you will be seen as an "unskilled" tryhard, just because, while you know the mechanics, you try out a setup and skill rotation which aren't proven to be the most effective. I think players trying out gears and playstyle of their own choice are also skilled, so that's where that word "skilled" becomes a bit blurry. Both types are just as skilled as the other imho.

Takes-No-Prisoner

generalmyrick wrote: »

WHAT MAKES A PLAYERED SKILL V. UNSKILLED?

It's simple.

The skilled player makes no excuses for his poor performance. Strives to look for solutions to problems. Takes criticism well.

The unskilled player makes excuses for his poor performance, strives to blame others for his short comings, hates being criticized.

Axoinus

Skill is relative to the perceiver and the circumstance. I don't know what the thread is trying to accomplish here.

Micah_Bayer

PlagueSD wrote: »

A skilled player doesn't stand in red, doesn't pull (if not the tank), and if they get agro, runs back to the tank.
If they are the tank, they don't pull until everyone's ready. Maintains agro on boss and keep him pointed AWAY from the group, and pull any agro lost from other players.

An unskilled player does none of this. Skill vs. unskilled has NOTHING to do with class, abilities, or race.

The definition is simply me.