When someone says they do a certain amount of damage

bloodthirstyvampire

Like say people say 30k or 40k is that just how much damage you can do in one hit the absolute maximum

Everstorm

Average damage per second measured over a significant enough time to avoid peakes.

Beardimus

Generally now that's the score they can achieve on a target dummy

LadyNalcarya

That means dps, damage per second. Usually its supposed to be single-target parse on a target dummy or trial boss. Multi-target fights (when theres a lot of adds, for example) dont count, and fights shorter than 1 minute or so also arent very representative.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Like say people say 30k or 40k is that just how much damage you can do in one hit the absolute maximum

They're talking about target dummy but take their score with a pinch of salt.

People like to lie, also they may have ppl buffing them.

I saw a guy on mag DK claiming his DPS was 40+k on dummy, turns out he had a healer providing ele drain, blockade of lightning with a charged staff using shock enchant wearing IA.... meaning the magdk had infinite Power lash whip procs, without these provided he barely managed 32k (which is still a good score for mag dk, in just using this as an example of people exaggerating their scores.)

Bryong9ub17_ESO

It helps if you have a DPS meter add-on.

Combat metrics is a popular option.

esoui.com/downloads/info1360-CombatMetrics.html

It helps figuring out your DPS much easier.

bebynnag

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

It helps if you have a DPS meter add-on.

Combat metrics is a popular option.

esoui.com/downloads/info1360-CombatMetrics.html

It helps figuring out your DPS much easier.

OP is console so this is not an option

as others have said its supposed to be your self buffed test result on a dps dummy, however many people provide their buffed dps results.

mb10

Simple calculation for it.
Get whatever number they say and deduct 15k from it.
That's their real DPS.

zaria

Target dummy, no fight against Molarg bal at end of main quest is much better. 250K is much better than 18K
AoE damage can be even better.


You can get similar values in Skyreach pulling lots of trash together and ultimate them.

Danksta

mb10 wrote: »

Simple calculation for it.
Get whatever number they say and deduct 15k from it.
That's their real DPS.

Damn, I'm just a scrub then.

LadyNalcarya

mb10 wrote: »

Simple calculation for it.
Get whatever number they say and deduct 15k from it.
That's their real DPS.

So if someone says he did 10k dps, he actually healed the boss?

Talrol

mb10 wrote: »

Simple calculation for it.
Get whatever number they say and deduct 15k from it.
That's their real DPS.

I am curious where you're pulling that 15k from? Can you provide sources?

I ask because I've been struggling to try and get my Warden healer to put out the 35+k DPS that everyone says they can pull off, but using the same set self-buffing, same rotations I can only get about 20k so your math seems about right based off of that, but I'd really like to know where your source is that it's a static 15k difference in DPS on a target dummy.

Talrol

P.S. When I attempt to parse on my healer, I respec to DPS following multiple other players builds completely from gear, cp, skills, rotation etc...

Nestor

I did some testing before the last patch, so the numbers are even higher now. But my base Spell Damage was 2508, self buffed I hit 3000, with group buffs I would range from 3400 to 4700 Spell Damage. So, Group Buffs can have a huge impact on damage out put.

Also, there is Burst Damage. One of my characters a Sorcerer can burst 42K with the right rotation and animation canceling. But for sustained over time, 15K is more typical for her.

GaunterODim

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Like say people say 30k or 40k is that just how much damage you can do in one hit the absolute maximum

I actually have some screenshots of my stamsorc in his pvp armor doing 100k dps in one second. Just because... perhaps i was bored at that time. (stealthed heavy attack+ onslaught OP)
But i might not be able to hit 40k, but with my sorc i usually do about 33k on the 3million dummy. Best i had was like 36,7k on my magdk before morrowind (But RIP my magdk). Didnt even dare to touch it after the ressource killer patch.

Edit: both was solo, Stamsorc used Critpots and surge and no debuffs(fracture etc) and dk spellpowerpotions with own ele drain

Wreuntzylla

Danksta wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

Simple calculation for it.
Get whatever number they say and deduct 15k from it.
That's their real DPS.

Damn, I'm just a scrub then.

My single target dps without buffs/debuffs from another player is 300k.

Take away 15k and I am still awesome!!!

If anyone doubts me, I can prove it with an only slightly modified chat dps report from an addon.

theamazingx

CSessions wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

Simple calculation for it.
Get whatever number they say and deduct 15k from it.
That's their real DPS.

I am curious where you're pulling that 15k from? Can you provide sources?

I ask because I've been struggling to try and get my Warden healer to put out the 35+k DPS that everyone says they can pull off, but using the same set self-buffing, same rotations I can only get about 20k so your math seems about right based off of that, but I'd really like to know where your source is that it's a static 15k difference in DPS on a target dummy.

It's a joke.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

DPS - Damage Per Second, is the total amount of damage you do on a given fight, divided by the time of said fight. Single Target DPS is the same calculation, but only looking at the boss damage. Certain fights will inflate parses based on the number of adds. If you pull 50k on manti, well you just did 50k single target. He has no adds. If you pull 50k on the stone Attro in AA, well chances are your single target was far less than 50k because your AOE skills get multiplied with adds. On certain trash fights with lots of mobs, 200k+ is perfectly doable assuming they all die around the same time. Most competitive raid groups care most about your single target ability, because that is what governs the length of a boss fight and thus impacts score.

Skeleton Dummies have become the default measuring stick for single target, but they can be misleading to some extent. This is true for 2 reasons.

1. On the high end, they can be cheesed to some degree. People will plan every second of that fight, and what you are left with is a high parse but a rotation that is just not practical in actual content.
2. On the low end, it is true that a pure raid build might not perform particularly well on a dummy, especially now that no one is running sharp weapons in a raid. People building for a raid are likely counting on getting buffs (particularly penetration) from others. You can take a build that pulls 50k single target in a proper raid and on a dummy it only pulls 33-34k.

If you dont know what your own DPS is, the best starting point is certainly a skeleton. If you have access to addons, FTC and Combat Metrics are both very useful. Combat metrics in particular is excellent for analyzing (and improving) your DPS. It gives a very detailed post fight recap. It will show your Total DPS, your groups total DPS, and your personal single target DPS on the boss. It will also show what skills are doing what damage, and it also tracks buffs and debuffs so you can analyze their effective uptime. This is really useful for spotting flaws in your rotation and generally improving your damage.

As to what others claim, well most people inflate their egos a bit. They do 50 dummy parses between 30-33.5 k and they say they pull 34. haha. Or they do a trial boss with a crap ton of adds and act like its single target. Best way to know if you are holding your own is with combat metrics. It shows what percent of group damage you are doing, but it wont show specifically what others are doing. If you are in a raid group with 8 DPS, 12.0-12.5% is sort of the target. In a 4 man group its more like 45-50%. For example, if you do a 4 man boss and you are only pulling 25%, you are either getting carried or you dont have a tank or healer. Haha

Asardes

I tend to be rather suspicious of anything past 35K self buffed and self sustained. With proper group support you can gain 25-30% on top of your self buffed numbers so someone who does 35K alone will do 45-50K in a trial group which is top notch.

Bladerunner1

For Stam DPS you can basically subtract 15k from target skelly parses. In a majority of boss fights they spend a lot of time sprinting from one end of the room to the other, then heavy attack weaving to pick up more stamina.

NotNormanBates

Asardes wrote: »

I tend to be rather suspicious of anything past 35K self buffed and self sustained. With proper group support you can gain 25-30% on top of your self buffed numbers so someone who does 35K alone will do 45-50K in a trial group which is top notch.

I dont know about in HoTR on PC, but on console right now 38k is the cut off line for alot of guilds to get into vHOF/vMoL progression, so it's more than achievable with most classes both stam and mag. I know 38-42k self buffed is achievable on stam/magblade, stam/magDK, and magsorc(possibly stam?). I hear what your saying tho. I'm also very skeptical of people who say there dummy parses are above 35-36k unless I, or someone i trust, observed it.

ArchMikem

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Like say people say 30k or 40k is that just how much damage you can do in one hit the absolute maximum

Now that we have Target Dummies, those numbers mean the total amount of damage done to the target over the amount of time it took to defeat the target, and the average damage done per second of that time is our DPS number.

People claim you have to be at least 30k to succeed at end game content, but the majority of players are around 15k to 20k.

theamazingx

Asardes wrote: »

I tend to be rather suspicious of anything past 35K self buffed and self sustained. With proper group support you can gain 25-30% on top of your self buffed numbers so someone who does 35K alone will do 45-50K in a trial group which is top notch.

It depends on the class and setup. Magsorcs top out around 42k selfbuffed because they passively apply concussion for 8% more damage, and lose little by applying their own lightning wall for another 10%. Take a magdk and they can do pretty much the same thing with only an infused shock enchant and lightning wall on back; mine is topping out around 41k this patch. And that's with half the debuff uptime a sorc gets solo. It makes direct comparisons of class dps pretty difficult. That said, magdk can hit 38 without the lightning wall, and stam builds can hit those same numbers without any skewing factor of any kind, so I wouldn't be so skeptical about everything over 35k.

Asardes

NotNormanBates wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I tend to be rather suspicious of anything past 35K self buffed and self sustained. With proper group support you can gain 25-30% on top of your self buffed numbers so someone who does 35K alone will do 45-50K in a trial group which is top notch.

I dont know about in HoTR on PC, but on console right now 38k is the cut off line for alot of guilds to get into vHOF/vMoL progression, so it's more than achievable with most classes both stam and mag. I know 38-42k self buffed is achievable on stam/magblade, stam/magDK, and magsorc(possibly stam?). I hear what your saying tho. I'm also very skeptical of people who say there dummy parses are above 35-36k unless I, or someone i trust, observed it.

I don't say they are not achievable, but they are not easily achievable: you need perfect gear and rotation to achieve and more importantly sustain that kind of damage on your own. That's why the 6M HP skeleton parses are the honest ones. On the smaller one is possible to just start with an ult, burn trough all your resources trough a very fast rotation and finish the target off with close to 0 resources left resulting in inflated end values. 30K self buffed and self sustain is enough to do any trial since it will be 40K+ with group buffs.

theamazingx

Asardes wrote: »

NotNormanBates wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I tend to be rather suspicious of anything past 35K self buffed and self sustained. With proper group support you can gain 25-30% on top of your self buffed numbers so someone who does 35K alone will do 45-50K in a trial group which is top notch.

I dont know about in HoTR on PC, but on console right now 38k is the cut off line for alot of guilds to get into vHOF/vMoL progression, so it's more than achievable with most classes both stam and mag. I know 38-42k self buffed is achievable on stam/magblade, stam/magDK, and magsorc(possibly stam?). I hear what your saying tho. I'm also very skeptical of people who say there dummy parses are above 35-36k unless I, or someone i trust, observed it.

I don't say they are not achievable, but they are not easily achievable: you need perfect gear and rotation to achieve and more importantly sustain that kind of damage on your own. That's why the 6M HP skeleton parses are the honest ones. On the smaller one is possible to just start with an ult, burn trough all your resources trough a very fast rotation and finish the target off with close to 0 resources left.

Good rotation, good cp, but not perfect gear. A magdk at least can achieve 35-36k in 5juli/5ms and a random monster 1 piece, couple poor traits, blue jewels, nothing gold but the weapons, basically the cheapest stuff you can throw together. I personally tried out using elfbane 5/2 + jewels as a joke, ended up with 21k health unbuffed and still pulled 35k.

danno8

CSessions wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

Simple calculation for it.
Get whatever number they say and deduct 15k from it.
That's their real DPS.

I am curious where you're pulling that 15k from? Can you provide sources?

I ask because I've been struggling to try and get my Warden healer to put out the 35+k DPS that everyone says they can pull off, but using the same set self-buffing, same rotations I can only get about 20k so your math seems about right based off of that, but I'd really like to know where your source is that it's a static 15k difference in DPS on a target dummy.

He is pulling it from his salt pile.

zaria

NotNormanBates wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I tend to be rather suspicious of anything past 35K self buffed and self sustained. With proper group support you can gain 25-30% on top of your self buffed numbers so someone who does 35K alone will do 45-50K in a trial group which is top notch.

I dont know about in HoTR on PC, but on console right now 38k is the cut off line for alot of guilds to get into vHOF/vMoL progression, so it's more than achievable with most classes both stam and mag. I know 38-42k self buffed is achievable on stam/magblade, stam/magDK, and magsorc(possibly stam?). I hear what your saying tho. I'm also very skeptical of people who say there dummy parses are above 35-36k unless I, or someone i trust, observed it.

I'm in an guild who have an veteran trial group, they demand 35K on dummy. This is inflated because to keep the group manageable as I understand it was 30K earlier.

theamazingx

zaria wrote: »

NotNormanBates wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I tend to be rather suspicious of anything past 35K self buffed and self sustained. With proper group support you can gain 25-30% on top of your self buffed numbers so someone who does 35K alone will do 45-50K in a trial group which is top notch.

I dont know about in HoTR on PC, but on console right now 38k is the cut off line for alot of guilds to get into vHOF/vMoL progression, so it's more than achievable with most classes both stam and mag. I know 38-42k self buffed is achievable on stam/magblade, stam/magDK, and magsorc(possibly stam?). I hear what your saying tho. I'm also very skeptical of people who say there dummy parses are above 35-36k unless I, or someone i trust, observed it.

I'm in an guild who have an veteran trial group, they demand 35K on dummy. This is inflated because to keep the group manageable as I understand it was 30K earlier.

Inflation can become necessary as you progress through content. Someone may only need to pull 30k for a given boss, but if they're at 30k on a dummy, they won't be while managing mechanics. Also, the time and effort someone makes to learn their class is often indicative of the time and effort they'll take to learn a fight.

Horowonnoe

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

For Stam DPS you can basically subtract 15k from target skelly parses. In a majority of boss fights they spend a lot of time sprinting from one end of the room to the other, then heavy attack weaving to pick up more stamina.

Uh... have you been to a raid with a stamina DPS this patch? More like add 15k to their skeleton parse. lmao

IronCrystal

Unfortunately you can't do this on console, but PC often does dps tests on Valariel in vAA or Ra Kotu in vHRC since neither boss requires you to worry about mechanics, and they have no or one add to worry about. Because during a raid boss you are fully buffed, its an accurate estimate of your actual damage.

Here's an example from a vHRC last night:

s7732425ub17_ESO

NotNormanBates wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I tend to be rather suspicious of anything past 35K self buffed and self sustained. With proper group support you can gain 25-30% on top of your self buffed numbers so someone who does 35K alone will do 45-50K in a trial group which is top notch.

I dont know about in HoTR on PC, but on console right now 38k is the cut off line for alot of guilds to get into vHOF/vMoL progression, so it's more than achievable with most classes both stam and mag. I know 38-42k self buffed is achievable on stam/magblade, stam/magDK, and magsorc(possibly stam?). I hear what your saying tho. I'm also very skeptical of people who say there dummy parses are above 35-36k unless I, or someone i trust, observed it.

Lol. Realistically only need 30k DPS to have a smooth, skipping lunar phase run of VMOL. Our group completes VMOL on the regular and average about 28k DPS for the group. VHOF is much more about mechanics than pure, raw DPS, so super high numbers aren't needed there either.

38k self buffed is literally top, top, top tier DPS. We are talking world record or top 100 trial scores.