ZOS, I'm Begging You, Please Clean Up Aspects of Dark Brotherhood, Sneak, and Vampire/Legerdemain

GrumpyDuckling

Certain aspects of stealth in ESO, particularly regarding Dark Brotherhood, Sneak, and Vampire/Legerdemain would be made more enjoyable if they were touched up a bit because currently they are too clunky, annoying, and detract from the overall experience of stealth. These 4 aspects are listed in bold below:

1) Blade of Woe and Vampire Feeding - Both use the same synergy buttons and both prompts occur when behind a target. This can get tricky/annoying when needing to perform a quick assassination on a moving target because you may perform the unintended prompt. Please add an on/off toggle option for both vampire feed and Blade of Woe so, if we prefer, we aren't always prompted for both every time we sneak behind a target.

2) Shadowy Supplier - Currently we have to travel to DB, TG, or Outlaws Refuge to receive a daily shipment from the Shadowy Supplier. Traveling to those locations can result in clunky/wasted trips involving multiple load screens and is quite the nuisance if we don't have other business to conduct in those locations. Please allow us to visit him only to choose which items we would like to receive each day, and then have those items arrive in the mail each day (like the hirelings). If we want to mix it up and change what we receive in the mail, then we can go back to visit the Shadowy Supplier and change our mail options.

3) Sneak Speed - Using a passive like Dark Stalker, which allows you to ignore movement speed penalty while crouched, causes the character to perform a sprint animation while sneaking. Instead of simply sneaking faster, we are running undetected. Please fix the animation to simply allow us to perform the sneak animation faster. Thieves and assassins are currently sprinting through the streets instead of sneaking.

4) Vampire Appearance/Sneak Speed/Medium Armor - Any player who would like to have increased speed while sneaking is either forced to look like a vampire (to use Dark Stalker passive) or occupy an entire 5 piece set to do so. Please put a passive similar to the vampire's Dark Stalker into Medium armor (if wearing five pieces - like @Hurika suggested) which would allow Thieves/Assassins the opportunity to enjoy faster sneaking without looking like a vampire or having to occupy a 5 piece set bonus.

@ZOS_GinaBruno , Hopefully you can put my begging requests into the right hands.

WoodenHeart

1) Completely agree. I really hate accidentally feeding when I meant to use the Blade of Woe.
2) I'd rather get it myself, but an optional hireling-type mail would be fine for those who want. (And she's a she.)
3) The running animation is a bit weird, yes. But then rapidly scuttling along low to the ground would also look weird.
4) Don't forget you can use rapids when sneaking. But I wouldn't say no to a faster sneak passive.

Gilvoth

please increase sneak speeds.
right now its like moving in sledge and mud while we sneak.

phermitgb

since you posted, I'm assuming that you're welcoming feedback...

1 - sure, why not - any time they include a toggle to adjust certain in game behaviors (like the toggle to not target npc's), I find it nice

2 - that sounds perfectly reasonable - the only objection I can think of is if ZOS wants to limit the influx of whatever you get from the shadow broker or whatever by making it a chore to pick up your stuff - it's possible that they (devs) are anticipating a certain degree of "loss" with the added "expense" of having to travel to pick up your stuff

3 - mmmmrrrmmm...I don't really see the problem in a fast running sneak - in a stealth game, that unusually fast sneak speed would probably translate as one of those quick cover-to-cover stealth moves/rolls - like mentioning above, a super-fast crab-scuttle stealth would probably be equally off-putting

in other words, I'm generally fine with a running sneak to account for the higher sneak speed - basically just imagine it as your character being so adept at moving out of sight and silently that they can do so at a running pace instead of the slower more methodical pace some people need (or, if it's an armor buff, assume that there's some mechanical property/design of the armor that allows greater freedom of movement while still being very quiet)

4 - I don't see any particular reason why increased stealth speed NEEDS to be accessible via a skill line - sure, it *could* be and wouldn't be particularly lore-breaking, but seeing as there are considerable advantages to stealth in both pve AND pvp, doesn't seem particularly wrong to attach a significant cost to the increased sneak speed effect

not that i'd organize a protest or anything if all your suggestions were implemented - just not 100% behind them, either

Pele

1] I'd rather have the ability to rebind one so they both didn't have the same key to execute. Example: X for Blade of Woe, Y for Feed.

2] No opinion.

3] Disagree. It would look extremely weird, to the point of off-putting, if the crouch animation was any faster. Also, I like the crouch-sprint animation.

4] Disagree. Faster sneak should have some sort of compromise (vampire, set, etc.)

Slick_007

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

2) Shadowy Supplier - Currently we have to travel to DB, TG, or Outlaws Refuge to receive a daily shipment from the Shadowy Supplier. Traveling to those locations can result in clunky/wasted trips involving multiple load screens and is quite the nuisance if we don't have other business to conduct in those locations. Please allow us to visit him only to choose which items we would like to receive each day, and then have those items arrive in the mail each day (like the hirelings). If we want to mix it up and change what we receive in the mail, then we can go back to visit the Shadowy Supplier and change our mail options.

theres one in every zone. its not very far to go at all. if you want it cod'd you should have to pay the cost of that. the DB is not a hireling and should not work the same.

ofSunhold

3) This would make PvPers pretty unhappy I think. It's the same as the Night's Silence set effect btw. You crouch into stealth and then sprint. When they messed up run speed after the TG update, some of my characters using that set could move a lot faster in stealth than out of it.

4) Fully support if they put it in Legerdemain. It would be so nice to have fewer vamps in game, no offense to the children of night. It's ridic how much people have to sacrifice if they DON'T want to vamp up. But hell no to gating anything useful behind DB murder sprees.

Dubhliam

Become a vampire.

Slot Mist Form.

Initiate a bloody murder spree in a major town.

Laugh at any guard that tries to stop you.


No, but seriously... fleeing guards in ESO is silly easy, add vampirism to it and it's stupid OP.
The Justice System is dull and lacking any excitement.
Unless they finally add Enforcers...
...sigh...

#NeverGonnaGiveYouUp

rootimus

It'd also be nice if the game could decide whether or not you're hidden. Far too often you have to faff around in order to get the pickpocket and blade of woe options to come up because the game thinks you're visible when you aren't.

Ethromelb14_ESO

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Certain aspects of stealth in ESO, particularly regarding Dark Brotherhood, Sneak, and Vampire/Legerdemain would be made more enjoyable if they were touched up a bit because currently they are too clunky, annoying, and detract from the overall experience of stealth. These 4 aspects are listed in bold below:

1) Blade of Woe and Vampire Feeding - Both use the same synergy buttons and both prompts occur when behind a target. This can get tricky/annoying when needing to perform a quick assassination on a moving target because you may perform the unintended prompt. Please add an on/off toggle option for both vampire feed and Blade of Woe so, if we prefer, we aren't always prompted for both every time we sneak behind a target.

2) Shadowy Supplier - Currently we have to travel to DB, TG, or Outlaws Refuge to receive a daily shipment from the Shadowy Supplier. Traveling to those locations can result in clunky/wasted trips involving multiple load screens and is quite the nuisance if we don't have other business to conduct in those locations. Please allow us to visit him only to choose which items we would like to receive each day, and then have those items arrive in the mail each day (like the hirelings). If we want to mix it up and change what we receive in the mail, then we can go back to visit the Shadowy Supplier and change our mail options.

3) Sneak Speed - Using a passive like Dark Stalker, which allows you to ignore movement speed penalty while crouched, causes the character to perform a sprint animation while sneaking. Instead of simply sneaking faster, we are running undetected. Please fix the animation to simply allow us to perform the sneak animation faster. Thieves and assassins are currently sprinting through the streets instead of sneaking.

4) Vampire Appearance/Sneak Speed/Legerdemain - Any player who would like to have increased speed while sneaking is either forced to look like a vampire (to use Dark Stalker passive) or occupy an entire 5 piece set to do so. Please put a passive similar to the vampire's Dark Stalker into Legerdemain which would allow Thieves/Assassins the opportunity to enjoy faster sneaking without looking like a vampire or having to occupy a 5 piece set bonus.

@ZOS_GinaBruno , Hopefully you can put my begging requests into the right hands.

Your suggestion would counteract the fact that vampires are suppose to be able to do things that other "human-like" species can't do. If your human-like character can do what a vampire does, then vampires wouldn't feel unique nor special, and then what? What would be the point of being a vampire? Then vampires will have something else to complain about.

So you're just going to have to join the dark-side if you want their perks. You just want the gift without the curse, and that isn't cool.

Also the feeding problem is more your fault than Zen's. You're not paying attention to the distance indicator, or just not reading because Blade of Woe is a very close action, while vamp feeding takes place at a distance. They are not the same despite their similar corresponding buttons.

GrumpyDuckling

Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Certain aspects of stealth in ESO, particularly regarding Dark Brotherhood, Sneak, and Vampire/Legerdemain would be made more enjoyable if they were touched up a bit because currently they are too clunky, annoying, and detract from the overall experience of stealth. These 4 aspects are listed in bold below:

1) Blade of Woe and Vampire Feeding - Both use the same synergy buttons and both prompts occur when behind a target. This can get tricky/annoying when needing to perform a quick assassination on a moving target because you may perform the unintended prompt. Please add an on/off toggle option for both vampire feed and Blade of Woe so, if we prefer, we aren't always prompted for both every time we sneak behind a target.

2) Shadowy Supplier - Currently we have to travel to DB, TG, or Outlaws Refuge to receive a daily shipment from the Shadowy Supplier. Traveling to those locations can result in clunky/wasted trips involving multiple load screens and is quite the nuisance if we don't have other business to conduct in those locations. Please allow us to visit him only to choose which items we would like to receive each day, and then have those items arrive in the mail each day (like the hirelings). If we want to mix it up and change what we receive in the mail, then we can go back to visit the Shadowy Supplier and change our mail options.

3) Sneak Speed - Using a passive like Dark Stalker, which allows you to ignore movement speed penalty while crouched, causes the character to perform a sprint animation while sneaking. Instead of simply sneaking faster, we are running undetected. Please fix the animation to simply allow us to perform the sneak animation faster. Thieves and assassins are currently sprinting through the streets instead of sneaking.

4) Vampire Appearance/Sneak Speed/Legerdemain - Any player who would like to have increased speed while sneaking is either forced to look like a vampire (to use Dark Stalker passive) or occupy an entire 5 piece set to do so. Please put a passive similar to the vampire's Dark Stalker into Legerdemain which would allow Thieves/Assassins the opportunity to enjoy faster sneaking without looking like a vampire or having to occupy a 5 piece set bonus.

@ZOS_GinaBruno , Hopefully you can put my begging requests into the right hands.

Your suggestion would counteract the fact that vampires are suppose to be able to do things that other "human-like" species can't do. If your human-like character can do what a vampire does, then vampires wouldn't feel unique nor special, and then what? What would be the point of being a vampire? Then vampires will have something else to complain about.

So you're just going to have to join the dark-side if you want their perks. You just want the gift without the curse, and that isn't cool.

Also the feeding problem is more your fault than Zen's. You're not paying attention to the distance indicator, or just not reading because Blade of Woe is a very close action, while vamp feeding takes place at a distance. They are not the same despite their similar corresponding buttons.

- Then we need the option to hide vampirism. What was the point of creating the appearance of my character (a black Khajiit) when vampirism turns me white?

- The feeding problem actually can be a problem, it's not just me. A good 97% of the time it's not an issue, but when you need to perform a quick assassination on a moving target, while you're moving, then the target's sudden change of direction can sometimes switch from Blade of Woe to Vampire Feed. It's sloppy and doesn't make sense. Like an assassin would "accidentally" start feeding on their target instead of stabbing them.

Nelson_Rebel

yes

Gilvoth

Dubhliam wrote: »

Become a vampire.

Slot Mist Form.

Initiate a bloody murder spree in a major town.

Laugh at any guard that tries to stop you.


No, but seriously... fleeing guards in ESO is silly easy, add vampirism to it and it's stupid OP.
The Justice System is dull and lacking any excitement.
Unless they finally add Enforcers...
...sigh...

#NeverGonnaGiveYouUp

and die from massive fire damage and almost zero health regen.
no thank you.
please increase sneak speeds and we will be ok.

RaddlemanNumber7

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Certain aspects of stealth in ESO, particularly regarding Dark Brotherhood, Sneak, and Vampire/Legerdemain would be made more enjoyable if they were touched up a bit because currently they are too clunky, annoying, and detract from the overall experience of stealth. These 4 aspects are listed in bold below:

1) Blade of Woe and Vampire Feeding - Both use the same synergy buttons and both prompts occur when behind a target. This can get tricky/annoying when needing to perform a quick assassination on a moving target because you may perform the unintended prompt. Please add an on/off toggle option for both vampire feed and Blade of Woe so, if we prefer, we aren't always prompted for both every time we sneak behind a target.

2) Shadowy Supplier - Currently we have to travel to DB, TG, or Outlaws Refuge to receive a daily shipment from the Shadowy Supplier. Traveling to those locations can result in clunky/wasted trips involving multiple load screens and is quite the nuisance if we don't have other business to conduct in those locations. Please allow us to visit him only to choose which items we would like to receive each day, and then have those items arrive in the mail each day (like the hirelings). If we want to mix it up and change what we receive in the mail, then we can go back to visit the Shadowy Supplier and change our mail options.

3) Sneak Speed - Using a passive like Dark Stalker, which allows you to ignore movement speed penalty while crouched, causes the character to perform a sprint animation while sneaking. Instead of simply sneaking faster, we are running undetected. Please fix the animation to simply allow us to perform the sneak animation faster. Thieves and assassins are currently sprinting through the streets instead of sneaking.

4) Vampire Appearance/Sneak Speed/Legerdemain - Any player who would like to have increased speed while sneaking is either forced to look like a vampire (to use Dark Stalker passive) or occupy an entire 5 piece set to do so. Please put a passive similar to the vampire's Dark Stalker into Legerdemain which would allow Thieves/Assassins the opportunity to enjoy faster sneaking without looking like a vampire or having to occupy a 5 piece set bonus.

@ZOS_GinaBruno , Hopefully you can put my begging requests into the right hands.

I disagree on every point. I find the whole stealth experience in this game to be quite satisfying. In particular, I find the use of the blade of woe on my vampire to be both fast and exciting. Maybe you need to use a different button to trigger synergy. I have mine on my mouse thumb button. There's nothing clunky about it.

1. This was an issue once upon a time, but not anymore. Changes have been made. The prompts for feeding and BoW are almost never in contention now. I have been using a vampire very heavily in the past few days to farm Vvardenfell for motifs. She has used the BoW hundreds of times in that period, often in very narrow windows of opportunity, and never once has the feeding prompt been displayed when I have wanted to use the BoW. It's quite some time since my vampire fed accidentally. Perhaps you need more practice

2 IMO rewards such as the those given by the Shadowy Supplier should only be given for on-going game play, not for ticking a box at some time in the past year or so. Besides, the Dark Brotherhood do not seem like the sort of organisation that would run a welfare scheme for lapsed members.

3.I am happy with the current visuals of sneaking at the run, it's just the extra loud footfalls that seem out of place to me. IMO speeding up movement at the crouch would look like something out of a Hanna-Barbera cartoon.

4. Worst idea I've seen for some time. Firstly, we only get so many passives in each skill, so which one of the five current ones would you suggest we lose in Legerdemain to have this sneak speed passive? Secondly, I find it is sometimes best (e.g. when trespassing) to slow down and be more precise in my movements by dropping the sneak speed bonus. This is easy to achieve by removing one piece of armour, by or going from Vamp stage 4 to stage 3. Taking points out of a passive requires a visit to the shrines and the expenditure of gold, not to mention the time and toil required to reselect all your other other skills and passives again.

So, no, just no.

idk

1. Would be good to have two different keybinds, however, console may not have room.

2. I think we would all choose the lazier option, saves a small bit of time, though I am still going to get my shadowy supplier with the current mechanics

3. Small inssue IMO.

4. I do not think the vampire sneak passive should in a general skill line like Legerdemain. OP mentions ways players can get it without being a vampire which is sufficient. legerdemain already has a strong cost reduction passive for sneaking which is more than enough. Certainly already has enough passives already for the Thieves and assassins OP mentions.

For the last point I am very much against the homogenization of everything, which this last point is about that.

GrumpyDuckling

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Certain aspects of stealth in ESO, particularly regarding Dark Brotherhood, Sneak, and Vampire/Legerdemain would be made more enjoyable if they were touched up a bit because currently they are too clunky, annoying, and detract from the overall experience of stealth. These 4 aspects are listed in bold below:

1) Blade of Woe and Vampire Feeding - Both use the same synergy buttons and both prompts occur when behind a target. This can get tricky/annoying when needing to perform a quick assassination on a moving target because you may perform the unintended prompt. Please add an on/off toggle option for both vampire feed and Blade of Woe so, if we prefer, we aren't always prompted for both every time we sneak behind a target.

2) Shadowy Supplier - Currently we have to travel to DB, TG, or Outlaws Refuge to receive a daily shipment from the Shadowy Supplier. Traveling to those locations can result in clunky/wasted trips involving multiple load screens and is quite the nuisance if we don't have other business to conduct in those locations. Please allow us to visit him only to choose which items we would like to receive each day, and then have those items arrive in the mail each day (like the hirelings). If we want to mix it up and change what we receive in the mail, then we can go back to visit the Shadowy Supplier and change our mail options.

3) Sneak Speed - Using a passive like Dark Stalker, which allows you to ignore movement speed penalty while crouched, causes the character to perform a sprint animation while sneaking. Instead of simply sneaking faster, we are running undetected. Please fix the animation to simply allow us to perform the sneak animation faster. Thieves and assassins are currently sprinting through the streets instead of sneaking.

4) Vampire Appearance/Sneak Speed/Legerdemain - Any player who would like to have increased speed while sneaking is either forced to look like a vampire (to use Dark Stalker passive) or occupy an entire 5 piece set to do so. Please put a passive similar to the vampire's Dark Stalker into Legerdemain which would allow Thieves/Assassins the opportunity to enjoy faster sneaking without looking like a vampire or having to occupy a 5 piece set bonus.

@ZOS_GinaBruno , Hopefully you can put my begging requests into the right hands.

I disagree on every point. I find the whole stealth experience in this game to be quite satisfying. In particular, I find the use of the blade of woe on my vampire to be both fast and exciting. Maybe you need to use a different button to trigger synergy. I have mine on my mouse thumb button. There's nothing clunky about it.

1. This was an issue once upon a time, but not anymore. Changes have been made. The prompts for feeding and BoW are almost never in contention now. I have been using a vampire very heavily in the past few days to farm Vvardenfell for motifs. She has used the BoW hundreds of times in that period, often in very narrow windows of opportunity, and never once has the feeding prompt been displayed when I have wanted to use the BoW. It's quite some time since my vampire fed accidentally. Perhaps you need more practice

2 IMO rewards such as the those given by the Shadowy Supplier should only be given for on-going game play, not for ticking a box at some time in the past year or so. Besides, the Dark Brotherhood do not seem like the sort of organisation that would run a welfare scheme for lapsed members.

3.I am happy with the current visuals of sneaking at the run, it's just the extra loud footfalls that seem out of place to me. IMO speeding up movement at the crouch would look like something out of a Hanna-Barbera cartoon.

4. Worst idea I've seen for some time. Firstly, we only get so many passives in each skill, so which one of the five current ones would you suggest we lose in Legerdemain to have this sneak speed passive? Secondly, I find it is sometimes best (e.g. when trespassing) to slow down and be more precise in my movements by dropping the sneak speed bonus. This is easy to achieve by removing one piece of armour, by or going from Vamp stage 4 to stage 3. Taking points out of a passive requires a visit to the shrines and the expenditure of gold, not to mention the time and toil required to reselect all your other other skills and passives again.

So, no, just no.

1) Just because you haven't had an accidental feed in a while doesn't mean the current way is optimal.

2) Okay, you can go visit the Shadowy Supplier, doesn't mean everyone else should have to. Don't see why it shouldn't work like the other daily suppliers.

3) It doesn't look that bad. On rare occasions if you equip assassin personality and dual wield daggers with Dark Stalker unlocked, instead of doing the sprint your character will actually do the sneak animation at full speed. It's rare, but it looks good.

4) It's not about replacing a passive, but adding it into one of the existing passives. You can slow down without having to unequip set pieces or dropping vamp stage.

maryriv

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Certain aspects of stealth in ESO, particularly regarding Dark Brotherhood, Sneak, and Vampire/Legerdemain would be made more enjoyable if they were touched up a bit because currently they are too clunky, annoying, and detract from the overall experience of stealth. These 4 aspects are listed in bold below:

1) Blade of Woe and Vampire Feeding - Both use the same synergy buttons and both prompts occur when behind a target. This can get tricky/annoying when needing to perform a quick assassination on a moving target because you may perform the unintended prompt. Please add an on/off toggle option for both vampire feed and Blade of Woe so, if we prefer, we aren't always prompted for both every time we sneak behind a target.

2) Shadowy Supplier - Currently we have to travel to DB, TG, or Outlaws Refuge to receive a daily shipment from the Shadowy Supplier. Traveling to those locations can result in clunky/wasted trips involving multiple load screens and is quite the nuisance if we don't have other business to conduct in those locations. Please allow us to visit him only to choose which items we would like to receive each day, and then have those items arrive in the mail each day (like the hirelings). If we want to mix it up and change what we receive in the mail, then we can go back to visit the Shadowy Supplier and change our mail options.

3) Sneak Speed - Using a passive like Dark Stalker, which allows you to ignore movement speed penalty while crouched, causes the character to perform a sprint animation while sneaking. Instead of simply sneaking faster, we are running undetected. Please fix the animation to simply allow us to perform the sneak animation faster. Thieves and assassins are currently sprinting through the streets instead of sneaking.

4) Vampire Appearance/Sneak Speed/Legerdemain - Any player who would like to have increased speed while sneaking is either forced to look like a vampire (to use Dark Stalker passive) or occupy an entire 5 piece set to do so. Please put a passive similar to the vampire's Dark Stalker into Legerdemain which would allow Thieves/Assassins the opportunity to enjoy faster sneaking without looking like a vampire or having to occupy a 5 piece set bonus.

@ZOS_GinaBruno , Hopefully you can put my begging requests into the right hands.

And while you are at it, vampire stage 3 or 4 should not be allowed in cities, they should be instantly attacked by all NPC's. It is extremely lore breaking that they run around in full daylight with no penalties. Also please separate they resurrection command from player interaction as well as the blade of woe from the feeding.

Thank you.

Samadhi

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

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4. Worst idea I've seen for some time. Firstly, we only get so many passives in each skill, so which one of the five current ones would you suggest we lose in Legerdemain to have this sneak speed passive? Secondly, I find it is sometimes best (e.g. when trespassing) to slow down and be more precise in my movements by dropping the sneak speed bonus. This is easy to achieve by removing one piece of armour, by or going from Vamp stage 4 to stage 3. Taking points out of a passive requires a visit to the shrines and the expenditure of gold, not to mention the time and toil required to reselect all your other other skills and passives again.
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Personally just hit my toggle walk/run key to slow down while sneaking with speed increase bonus
even more easy and flexible than vampirism stages or armour swaps

Drakkdjinn

ZoS' track-record does not include any considerations for fixing major bugs or oversights from past content in a timely manner. The broken aspects of these DLCs will be ignored and never fixed; do not expect them to care or pay any attention to blundering mistakes in past releases; they do not and will not care - they have proven this to us time and time again.

starkerealm

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

3) Sneak Speed - Using a passive like Dark Stalker, which allows you to ignore movement speed penalty while crouched, causes the character to perform a sprint animation while sneaking. Instead of simply sneaking faster, we are running undetected. Please fix the animation to simply allow us to perform the sneak animation faster. Thieves and assassins are currently sprinting through the streets instead of sneaking.

Fun bit of history. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, Night's Silence (and Shadow Dancer) had a different effect from Stalker. If you were a vampire, you could move at full speed in stealth, but the 5pc sets boosted your movement speed by 40%. Canceling out the move penalty, but also stacking with vampirism.

The result was that vampires could easily get a movement modifier of +60% while in stealth, which is to say, faster than a horse (this was back when mounts were (basically) capped at 50 for their attributes.)

The reason I bring this up is because, that run animation stops playing when you're moving somewhere around 150% of normal speed in stealth. If you get above that somehow you'll do your normal scuttle animation (or at least, you used to. I believe this has been fixed.) It is hilarious. You go into stealth and then scuttle off at Warp 8. It's one of the funniest visual effects in the game. Right up there with the bug eyes and sky gazing NPCs.

Which is to say, you probably don't want it to be the norm.

Thunderknuckles

I wouldn't mind, like at all, if ZoS did away with the varicose veins in the vampire appearance at stage 4. It's just downright unappealing. Being stark white I can deal with. Huge veins running across my toon's cheeks? Yeah, no.

GrumpyDuckling

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

I wouldn't mind, like at all, if ZoS did away with the varicose veins in the vampire appearance at stage 4. It's just downright unappealing. Being stark white I can deal with. Huge veins running across my toon's cheeks? Yeah, no.

Also the complete color change depending on the character. I have a black-furred Khajiit who is now snow-white. What was the point of letting me choose my character appearance?

Narvuntien

I'd love to have dialogue options similar to mages and fighters guild to spice up my questing.

Hurika

Why not add a passive to medium armor - "Ignore sneak speed penalty while wearting 5 or more pieces of medium armor".

GrumpyDuckling

Hurika wrote: »

Why not add a passive to medium armor - "Ignore sneak speed penalty while wearting 5 or more pieces of medium armor".

I really like this idea. Thumbs up.

geonsocal

Concealed Weapon
Slash an enemy, dealing [x] Magic Damage.
Attacking with Concealed Weapon while stealthed or invisible stuns the enemy and sets them off balance for 4 seconds.
While slotted, your Movement Speed while stealthed or invisible is increased.

man, i've spent way too much time going through ability descriptions

GrumpyDuckling

geonsocal wrote: »

Concealed Weapon
Slash an enemy, dealing [x] Magic Damage.
Attacking with Concealed Weapon while stealthed or invisible stuns the enemy and sets them off balance for 4 seconds.
While slotted, your Movement Speed while stealthed or invisible is increased.

man, i've spent way too much time going through ability descriptions

Tough to give up the stamina morph version, Surprise Attack, on a stamina nightblade.

geonsocal

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

Concealed Weapon
Slash an enemy, dealing [x] Magic Damage.
Attacking with Concealed Weapon while stealthed or invisible stuns the enemy and sets them off balance for 4 seconds.
While slotted, your Movement Speed while stealthed or invisible is increased.

man, i've spent way too much time going through ability descriptions

Tough to give up the stamina morph version, Surprise Attack, on a stamina nightblade.

you're absolutely correct...for some reason when I read the original post that skill stuck in mind...

regarding the use of magicka skills/morphs on stamina characters - my stam blade uses mirage just because nearly every other skill they use is stamina dependent (other than shadowy disguise and mass hysteria)...

but, yeah - concealed weapon is definitely a poor choice for a stamina focused build...

GrumpyDuckling

geonsocal wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

Concealed Weapon
Slash an enemy, dealing [x] Magic Damage.
Attacking with Concealed Weapon while stealthed or invisible stuns the enemy and sets them off balance for 4 seconds.
While slotted, your Movement Speed while stealthed or invisible is increased.

man, i've spent way too much time going through ability descriptions

Tough to give up the stamina morph version, Surprise Attack, on a stamina nightblade.

you're absolutely correct...for some reason when I read the original post that skill stuck in mind...

regarding the use of magicka skills/morphs on stamina characters - my stam blade uses mirage just because nearly every other skill they use is stamina dependent (other than shadowy disguise and mass hysteria)...

but, yeah - concealed weapon is definitely a poor choice for a stamina focused build...

Yup, stamina Nightblade has some nice magicka support skills:

- Cloak
- Shadow Image
- Piercing/Reaper's Mark
- Mirage

GrumpyDuckling

Updated original post to include @Hurika 's idea about 5 piece medium armor sneak speed.

Jeremy

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Become a vampire.

Slot Mist Form.

Initiate a bloody murder spree in a major town.

Laugh at any guard that tries to stop you.


No, but seriously... fleeing guards in ESO is silly easy, add vampirism to it and it's stupid OP.
The Justice System is dull and lacking any excitement.
Unless they finally add Enforcers...
...sigh...

#NeverGonnaGiveYouUp

and die from massive fire damage and almost zero health regen.
no thank you.
please increase sneak speeds and we will be ok.

While not opposed to this - they would need to add a new benefit to being a vampire if they did this because the added sneak speed is (at least IMHO) the only thing that makes being a vampire worthwhile considering the weaknesses you point out.

It would also make some gear sets (like Night's Silence) crap so they would have to be re-adjusted as well.