PVP is horrible, if you had this playability 3 years ago you would be gone

Ulfson

PVP here is the worst of any game I have ever played.
Cheating seems out of control
Lag is horrible
key commands go unanswered for 1-5 seconds
pressing a fire command may or may not do anything and may go off at the least beneficial time
using the E command is just a maybe
the descriptions of spells, attacks, and buffs are all preceded with "maybe or sometimes".
the broom stick it too far up the wrong place
EOS became ZOS Vegas ( a crap shoot) and now is just broken
Yes I am a little disgruntled. But what the heck, I stopped subscribing after 3 years and so I get what I pay for...
No I didn't.

Hexys

Ulfson wrote: »

PVP here is the worst of any game I have ever played.
Not really!

Cheating seems out of control
Up your game knowledge and you'll see it isn't cheating

Lag is horrible
key commands go unanswered for 1-5 seconds
pressing a fire command may or may not do anything and may go off at the least beneficial time
using the E command is just a maybe
Yes F*ck the lagg, ZOS needs to prioritize this! You can make the best game in the world but if it laggs it's poop.

the descriptions of spells, attacks, and buffs are all preceded with "maybe or sometimes".
They could indeed make tooltips in PvP more accurate!

EOS became ZOS Vegas ( a crap shoot) and now is just broken
Yes and No, It's a big zergbuster ultimate, without eye of storm people could just stack factions even more, but I get your point!

Let's hope we get some love for PvP now that Morrowind is behind us with Horns of the Reach following up on it.

Publius_Scipio

You have Publius Scipio running around Tamriel, in zone chat. That alone was worth your subscription.

Glory

That's funny, I was here 3 years ago and I am not gone.

I do have grievances with many components of PvP in this game (and these grievances have changed over time), but it has always had a lot of potential and has been enjoyable overall (lag permitting).

LonePirate

Anybody who thinks the game's PVP performance now is worse than it was three years ago obviously did not play the game three years ago.

Iyas

LonePirate wrote: »

Anybody who thinks the game's PVP performance now is worse than it was three years ago obviously did not play the game three years ago.

I do and before lightning Patch was the best performance we ever had. after the lightning Patch I needed to quit because the Performance went to hell

Minno

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

You have Publius Scipio running around Tamriel, in zone chat. That alone was worth your subscription.

True news:
"9/10 star - Publius provides more consistent content as DC's only Bard class than both Netflix streaming and Amazon Prime e-books put together. Best $13.99 a month every spent!"

Durham

Ulfson wrote: »

PVP here is the worst of any game I have ever played.
Cheating seems out of control
Lag is horrible
key commands go unanswered for 1-5 seconds
pressing a fire command may or may not do anything and may go off at the least beneficial time
using the E command is just a maybe
the descriptions of spells, attacks, and buffs are all preceded with "maybe or sometimes".
the broom stick it too far up the wrong place
EOS became ZOS Vegas ( a crap shoot) and now is just broken
Yes I am a little disgruntled. But what the heck, I stopped subscribing after 3 years and so I get what I pay for...
No I didn't.

It wad worse 3 years ago lol ... Thats why much of the pvp population left... You think its,bad 3 months after release and the lighting patch PVP was literally unplayable... It was like that for months.. people left in droves hince why the pc PVP population is so small...

There were so many PVP people from DAOC that came here most of them left ...In fact we had a guild of 500 only 5 remain today pvping...

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Just watch this and weep for what was lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM


Yes this was possible shortly after launch with a ton more players on screen than is currently possible and very little lag.

RMerlin

Iyas wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

Anybody who thinks the game's PVP performance now is worse than it was three years ago obviously did not play the game three years ago.

I do and before lightning Patch was the best performance we ever had. after the lightning Patch I needed to quit because the Performance went to hell

Things have definitely improved over the past 6 months. A year ago, performance was so horrible that it was totally unplayable. Now, it's still laggy, but at least I don't feel like throwing my keyboard out of the window any more. I just swear at my screen.

Performance still ain't good, but it's no longer horrible at least.

Minno

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Just watch this and weep for what was lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM


Yes this was possible shortly after launch with a ton more players on screen than is currently possible and very little lag.

Maybe we should start a collection jar to save money for the server hosting service they used at launch lol.

MaximillianDiE

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Just watch this and weep for what was lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM


Yes this was possible shortly after launch with a ton more players on screen than is currently possible and very little lag.

I remember those days. [insert expletive] the lighting patch and the horse it rode in on...

Yolokin_Swagonborn

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Just watch this and weep for what was lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM


Yes this was possible shortly after launch with a ton more players on screen than is currently possible and very little lag.

I remember those days. [insert expletive] the lighting patch and the horse it rode in on...

I think the other guy was right. I think they just had a different server setup and they decided to try and make due with less. No other decision would have been irreversible but a server decision would be.

Juli'St

ZOS cant fix your servers, ll fix cheating in this game?


LOL

Jake1576

Ulfson wrote: »

PVP here is the worst of any game I have ever played.
Cheating seems out of control
Lag is horrible
key commands go unanswered for 1-5 seconds
pressing a fire command may or may not do anything and may go off at the least beneficial time
using the E command is just a maybe
the descriptions of spells, attacks, and buffs are all preceded with "maybe or sometimes".
the broom stick it too far up the wrong place
EOS became ZOS Vegas ( a crap shoot) and now is just broken
Yes I am a little disgruntled. But what the heck, I stopped subscribing after 3 years and so I get what I pay for...
No I didn't.

Seems about right

Derra

rmerlb16_ESO wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

Anybody who thinks the game's PVP performance now is worse than it was three years ago obviously did not play the game three years ago.

I do and before lightning Patch was the best performance we ever had. after the lightning Patch I needed to quit because the Performance went to hell

Things have definitely improved over the past 6 months. A year ago, performance was so horrible that it was totally unplayable. Now, it's still laggy, but at least I don't feel like throwing my keyboard out of the window any more. I just swear at my screen.

Performance still ain't good, but it's no longer horrible at least.

Honestly. I preferred the horrible lag of 2 to 1.5 years ago to what we have now.

Before when 5+ people tried to gang up on me and kill me in lag nobody could use abilities and they wouldn´t die i wouldn´t die. Now if the same thing happens my streak moves me just as fast as normal walking does meaning but their abilities eventually work from time to time and i can´t escape and die purely bc it´s lagging.
Ofc that´s purely personal bias.

Also hotr made was the first patch in about 1.5 years that managed to decrease performance for me.

Zbigb4life

LonePirate wrote: »

Anybody who thinks the game's PVP performance now is worse than it was three years ago obviously did not play the game three years ago.

Yes it's much worse. In the first couple months I had fights with at least 70-90 reds and around the same number of AD. There was no lag at all!

Now it gets worse and worse: lag, DC's, NPC's having skills they aren't supposed to, ...

Bajlk

"Mega"server and lag?!

CatchMeTrolling

I'd say the lag & response time has gotten worse than before, before I could be in a keep with 3 alliances and everything was playable, not the best but playable.

Now I can't say the same thing, it's like it's more than lag now that's the issue, crazy thing is I have a much better internet provider now that's designed for gaming and I feel the performance could be better.

Agrippa_Invisus

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Just watch this and weep for what was lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM


Yes this was possible shortly after launch with a ton more players on screen than is currently possible and very little lag.

I spotted a level 30 @Satiar in there.

I saw one single VR 1 player in that whole video. Most were levels 10-20.

Wow. That feels like forever ago, and the client ran so smoothly in comparison to today.

The Lighting Patch and everything that came after it really screwed up what used to be a quite nice engine.

Bryan627842nub18_ESO

Jesus *** I'm so glad I read this post instead of buying all the DLC's and waisting time grinding to find this *** out. How can they have not improved in 3 *** years?

Xsorus

Ulfson wrote: »

PVP here is the worst of any game I have ever played.
Cheating seems out of control
Lag is horrible
key commands go unanswered for 1-5 seconds
pressing a fire command may or may not do anything and may go off at the least beneficial time
using the E command is just a maybe
the descriptions of spells, attacks, and buffs are all preceded with "maybe or sometimes".
the broom stick it too far up the wrong place
EOS became ZOS Vegas ( a crap shoot) and now is just broken
Yes I am a little disgruntled. But what the heck, I stopped subscribing after 3 years and so I get what I pay for...
No I didn't.

Rofl...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBxXjYjgSIc

I don't think you quite realize how *** PvP was at certain points of this game....Even then It wasn't the worst PVP of any game.....by any measure...Even during this spectacular *** show its PvP was still best on the market except for older games like DAOC.

Malic

Another cry baby making the claim "cheating seems out of control"

Prove.

Watch, he wont and never will.

Malic

Bryan627842nub18_ESO wrote: »

Jesus *** I'm so glad I read this post instead of buying all the DLC's and waisting time grinding to find this *** out. How can they have not improved in 3 *** years?

Because people like the OP, cry their eyes out but still play.

Cyrodiil has plenty of people pvping, no reason for a company to invest more into a product when the consumer continues to consume it as is.

its really simple, so simple you'll poster after poster, thread after thread miss it entirely. Not only that, many will argue the contrary to the end of time.

Subversus

Malic wrote: »

Another cry baby making the claim "cheating seems out of control"

Prove.

Watch, he wont and never will.

Yeah, probably some old timer seeing newer players kick his ass and thinking "yeah, he's cheating". No way I could be bad, I mean I used to be decent!

manny254

Yeah I really miss DK being grossly overpowered and viable stamina builds not existing.

Crom_CCCXVI

Non CP is pretty good, when people play it.

Xsorus

I've only seen a few instances that made me question if they were cheating.

Last actual cheater I saw was blinxy

scipionumatia

@Yolokin_Swagonborn
OMG what happened? I played at launch for a month or so but my friends and I couldn't walk down the road without getting ported to different instances so we called it quits pretty quickly. I came back to the game round spring of 2016 and it seemed way better than I remembered so I stuck around.
what was the "lightning patch"? how did that turn open world cyrodiil into a lagfest?

Yolokin_Swagonborn

scipionumatia wrote: »

@Yolokin_Swagonborn
OMG what happened? I played at launch for a month or so but my friends and I couldn't walk down the road without getting ported to different instances so we called it quits pretty quickly. I came back to the game round spring of 2016 and it seemed way better than I remembered so I stuck around.
what was the "lightning patch"? how did that turn open world cyrodiil into a lagfest?

We got New Coked. That's what happened. Do you remember New Coke? I'm sure some of you oldies do. Back in the mid-80's Coca-Cola decided to significantly change the flavor of their signature product for the first time in 100 years. Predictably, it flopped and everyone hated it. After it failed, "Coca-Cola Classic" was "reintroduced" and everyone rejoiced that the original was back. Or was it? You see at the same time, Coca-Cola was planning to switch their sweeteners from cane sugar to High Fructose Corn Syrup which was much cheaper. Coke hid the switch behind the major taste change of new coke since people were less likely to notice the sweetener swap if they couldn't compare it directly to the old flavor.

Now enter the infamous Lighting patch that dropped at the end of June of 2014. Note the game had only been live about three months at the time and ZOS had released their first major update (Craglorn) a month ago towards the end of May.

The lighting patch was terrible but a lot of people think there were some other changes done under the table without telling the community that really sealed the end for PvP. Here are a few of the theories.

• Around the same time, ZOS also introduced some client-side integrity checks (basically anti-cheat) that slowed everything down.
• Craglorn had just come out a month before the lighting patch and ZOS had this strange idea that 12man group content and 4 man forced group questing was the focus of ESO now. Significant server resources used for PvP may have been shifted to PvE or just cut entirely.
• We spent about a whole year rarely hearing from ESO's PvP lead Brian Wheeler. Some of us were worried for his safety and thought he got locked in a closed in the basement or something.

The practical upshot of all this is that PvP went through several long stages of neglect during the early years, and dropped a significant amount of players. This was probably used to justify even more resource cuts.

We know that at one time, PvP worked. It is ridiculous to believe that ZOS doesn't know why it worked. So, with the lack of communication that has existed since launch, we can only assume some executive level decision was made and ZOS can make little performance tweaks here and there but the real reason PvP has been crippled since early launch is tied up in red tape.

Pirhana7_ESO

I think alof people like me are just dealing with what we have in ESO while we wait for Camelot Unchained to be finished.

ESO is still better than GW2 and BDO