Trying to get better DPS on console

kylewwefan

I've been training like mad trying to get better DPS on PetSorc and StamBlade. Many of my guild mates are well into the 30K+ DPS while I struggle to get 27K tops on Sorc.

The Sorc can easily get 22K on one bar with LL, WOE, Heavy Attack and ulti when ready. Bar swap to add in pet pulse, prey and clench has got me to 27K. I'm happy enough with that and have been told once I get the swap cancel clench down better it will speed up rotation and get higher. It uses spell power pots.

This rotation is LL>LA>WoE>ulti>bar swap cancel>LA>pet>LA>prey>HA>LA>clench>bar swap cancel> LL>LA>WoE. Etc.

StamBlade, best I've got is 24K DPS and it is work. For that I used 5 TFS/5 Hundings/Veledrith. DW/Bow. Thanks to buff trackers, we can see TFS stacking up with just Endless Hail. Also, my buddy tested with his Maelstrom Bow and just hail gets him 6K DPS compared to my 3K with normal sharp Hundings bow.

I prefer 2H but the DPS is way lower for me, like 16K. No excuses. Just what I get.

Rotation Trap>LA>Caltrops>LA>Hail>bar Swap>SA>LA>BLoodCraze>LA>DeadlyCloak> Below 25% killers blade. Meteor Ultimate.

It's a bit more complicated and sloppy for me as there is some leeching strikes thrown in there and heavys. Staying on one or the other bar for StamBlade gives very bad DPS like maybe 12K for me. You have to constantly throw everything you got at it and keep it going.
Meteor has probably made the biggest difference...which seems a bit odd for a stam toon. Also keeping dots and debuff up during execute.



I think the developers really messed something up in this game. Sorc needs 2 skills and heavy attack to pull better damage that stam toon using 8 abilities with perfectly timed light and heavy attack weaves thrown in.

theamazingx

kylewwefan wrote: »

I think the developers really messed something up in this game. Sorc needs 2 skills and heavy attack to pull better damage that stam toon using 8 abilities with perfectly timed light and heavy attack weaves thrown in.

Most stam builds actually have a higher single target ceiling than magsorcs, especially when you account for a magsorc's massive crutch in selfbuffed tests of being the one who applies most of the Minor Vulnerability and Offbalance. Frankly, your performance doesn't appear high enough to make a fair comparison in term's of ZoS's balance.

As for improving, CP is pretty important, perhaps more than it should be. I was doing some testing on magdk, and I can tell you the difference between 330cp and 660cp is more than double the difference between a cheap blue-jewel bad-trait mothers sorrow + julianos setup and fully golded BiS with a sharp maelstrom and all. Once you're at cp cap, or even around 4-500, you shouldn't have an issue pulling 30k with crafted/cheap gear and a strong rotation. For stam, getting a maelstrom bow is pretty significant - as you said, it doubles your strongest dot - but not required to hit the numbers you're looking for.

Also, don't use meteor on a stam build. Use Rend or something at least. Even dawnbreaker.

Toc de Malsvi

Dawnbreaker on the front bar for weapon Dmg increase. Ballista on the back, ballista is the ultimate to use for single target not Shooting Star which should only be used by stam if you know you have a large add pack to recoup ultimate. I see you are not using Poison Injection which is losing you dps sub 50%, and likely Losing you dps on the whole.

Also stam NB you should be using relentless focus. Seems like you are skipping out on skills you should be using which suggests that you rerolled stam because you thought it would improve your performance without first considering that you simply need more experience and time to reach the goals you desire.

kylewwefan

That's the point. On max level toon. Max CP. legendary gear. Good understanding of what I'm supposed to be doing. This MagSorc can perform as well or better with 2 AOE attack skills and heavy attacks then another max level legendary gear stam toon throwing everything but the kitchen sink at a target.

Ive tried Dawnbreaker, rend and ballista. Meteor still does more damages. I don't know why.

I can only figure that I must be doing something really wrong but I don't know where exactly I'm messing up.

theamazingx

My only advice is to post a video of your parsing. Unless your cp allocation is completely wonky, the issue has to be your execution.

kylewwefan

Ok thank you. I got to figure out how to do that.

Bladerunner1

I recommend adding relentless focus to the rotation and using the Assassin's scourge twice or even once as you swap back and forth between your bars. It will be a free skill to use after 5 light or heavy attacks. Light or heavy attacks should be used between each skill.

Do you use crafted potions to add major brutality and major savagery? If not that's a huge DPS loss, try slotting expert hunter for 10% more crit and 3% more weapon damage, and power extraction for 20% more weapon damage and a big AOE burst damage, you'll have to drop one or more dual wield skills but you'll be able to deal a lot more damage, surprise attack and assassin's scourge will be hitting like a truck and can be spammed a bit more often.

Slotting flawless dawnbreaker on the front bar will add another 8% weapon damage. Soul harvest or incapacitating strike can be slotted on the back bar to buff your single target damage by 20% for 6 seconds, which adds another huge chunk to your dps.

Sunah

Golden weapons it net a lot of damage increase, but the biggest upgrade is to really tighten up that rotation. Get on a training dummy and slap that thing for hours if you have to. Make your rotation integrated into your brain that you think about it while you sleep.

s7732425ub17_ESO

You need to take a video of you doing a target dummy test. Won't be able to help much if we can't see you actually playing.

kylewwefan

I couldn't figure to upload a video. I did put Dawnbreaker on DW bar. I'm wandering about the exploiter passive that makes lightning staff so strong for Sorc. What skill should I be using to set target off balance? I also put poison injection on. And relentless. I tried switching out blood craze for rending slashes also. Didn't make much difference for me, but rotation is probably sloppy. Also, I tried rend, ballista and Dawnbreaker. For some reason, meteor still gets me more damage. Not a lot, but I'm at 23K almost 24.

Izaki

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/lI Izaki Il/video/35249161
^ 5 TFS, 5 Hunding's, 2 Kra'gh, vMA Bow, Infused/Sharpened daggers front bar, Sharpened bow back bar

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/lI Izaki Il/video/33118599
^ 5 TFS, 5 Hunding's, 2 Kra'gh, vMA Bow, Sharpened axe/dagger front bar, Sharpened bow back bar

As far as the stamblade goes, I hope these two clips can help with visualizing the rotation.
Remember to light attack between every single skill and to switch to heavy attacks when below 40% stamina.

Roughly the rotation goes as follows:
Start: LA - Trap > LA - Hail > LA - Caltrops > LA - Injection > Swap > LA - Slashes > LA- Incap > LA - Bow proc > LA - Surprise Attack x3
Phase 1: LA - Trap > LA - Hail > LA - Caltrops > LA - Injection > Swap > LA - Relentless > HA - Slashes > HA - Deadly Cloak > HA - Surprise Attack
Phase 2: LA - Trap > LA - Hail > LA - Caltrops > LA - Injection > Swap > LA - Bow proc > HA - Slashes > LA- Incap > LA - Surprise Attack x2 > LA - Bow proc

And you basically alternate between the 2 phases. Phase 1 can be considered as the rebuff/heavy attack phase and Phase 2 as the burst phase. You don't have to do light attacks straight away. In fact, it might be better to only use Heavy attacks while you're on the front bar when starting out to get used to sustain in which case, during Phase 2, instead of doing 2 LA - Surprise Attacks, do just one HA - Surprise Attack.

During Execute, keep doing the same things but replace Surprise Attack with Killer's Blade. On a 3mil dummy you don't have to reapply Slashes and Deadly Cloak in execute phase because the fight is too short.

My peak DPS was 48.2k this patch. Stamina builds are very strong this patch in single target. Stamblade is tied with DK for highest single target damage. Stamplar and Stam Sorc are slightly behind but offer some very strong cleave damage.

kylewwefan

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/lI Izaki Il/video/35249161
^ 5 TFS, 5 Hunding's, 2 Kra'gh, vMA Bow, Infused/Sharpened daggers front bar, Sharpened bow back bar

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/lI Izaki Il/video/33118599
^ 5 TFS, 5 Hunding's, 2 Kra'gh, vMA Bow, Sharpened axe/dagger front bar, Sharpened bow back bar

As far as the stamblade goes, I hope these two clips can help with visualizing the rotation.
Remember to light attack between every single skill and to switch to heavy attacks when below 40% stamina.

Roughly the rotation goes as follows:
Start: LA - Trap > LA - Hail > LA - Caltrops > LA - Injection > Swap > LA - Slashes > LA- Incap > LA - Bow proc > LA - Surprise Attack x3
Phase 1: LA - Trap > LA - Hail > LA - Caltrops > LA - Injection > Swap > LA - Relentless > HA - Slashes > HA - Deadly Cloak > HA - Surprise Attack
Phase 2: LA - Trap > LA - Hail > LA - Caltrops > LA - Injection > Swap > LA - Bow proc > HA - Slashes > LA- Incap > LA - Surprise Attack x2 > LA - Bow proc

And you basically alternate between the 2 phases. Phase 1 can be considered as the rebuff/heavy attack phase and Phase 2 as the burst phase. You don't have to do light attacks straight away. In fact, it might be better to only use Heavy attacks while you're on the front bar when starting out to get used to sustain in which case, during Phase 2, instead of doing 2 LA - Surprise Attacks, do just one HA - Surprise Attack.

During Execute, keep doing the same things but replace Surprise Attack with Killer's Blade. On a 3mil dummy you don't have to reapply Slashes and Deadly Cloak in execute phase because the fight is too short.

My peak DPS was 48.2k this patch. Stamina builds are very strong this patch in single target. Stamblade is tied with DK for highest single target damage. Stamplar and Stam Sorc are slightly behind but offer some very strong cleave damage.

Thanks for sharing your videos. I'm gonna try your setup out tonight. Incap on the front dawn breaker on back bar looks interesting. I haven't tried that. Also the heavy attack looks like it will help me out. Thanks for the tip.

Izaki

kylewwefan wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/lI Izaki Il/video/35249161
^ 5 TFS, 5 Hunding's, 2 Kra'gh, vMA Bow, Infused/Sharpened daggers front bar, Sharpened bow back bar

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/lI Izaki Il/video/33118599
^ 5 TFS, 5 Hunding's, 2 Kra'gh, vMA Bow, Sharpened axe/dagger front bar, Sharpened bow back bar

As far as the stamblade goes, I hope these two clips can help with visualizing the rotation.
Remember to light attack between every single skill and to switch to heavy attacks when below 40% stamina.

Roughly the rotation goes as follows:
Start: LA - Trap > LA - Hail > LA - Caltrops > LA - Injection > Swap > LA - Slashes > LA- Incap > LA - Bow proc > LA - Surprise Attack x3
Phase 1: LA - Trap > LA - Hail > LA - Caltrops > LA - Injection > Swap > LA - Relentless > HA - Slashes > HA - Deadly Cloak > HA - Surprise Attack
Phase 2: LA - Trap > LA - Hail > LA - Caltrops > LA - Injection > Swap > LA - Bow proc > HA - Slashes > LA- Incap > LA - Surprise Attack x2 > LA - Bow proc

And you basically alternate between the 2 phases. Phase 1 can be considered as the rebuff/heavy attack phase and Phase 2 as the burst phase. You don't have to do light attacks straight away. In fact, it might be better to only use Heavy attacks while you're on the front bar when starting out to get used to sustain in which case, during Phase 2, instead of doing 2 LA - Surprise Attacks, do just one HA - Surprise Attack.

During Execute, keep doing the same things but replace Surprise Attack with Killer's Blade. On a 3mil dummy you don't have to reapply Slashes and Deadly Cloak in execute phase because the fight is too short.

My peak DPS was 48.2k this patch. Stamina builds are very strong this patch in single target. Stamblade is tied with DK for highest single target damage. Stamplar and Stam Sorc are slightly behind but offer some very strong cleave damage.

Thanks for sharing your videos. I'm gonna try your setup out tonight. Incap on the front dawn breaker on back bar looks interesting. I haven't tried that. Also the heavy attack looks like it will help me out. Thanks for the tip.

Anytime! Record yourself and share a clip on this thread so that we can give you some more help

Saint314Louis1985

kylewwefan wrote: »

I couldn't figure to upload a video. I did put Dawnbreaker on DW bar. I'm wandering about the exploiter passive that makes lightning staff so strong for Sorc. What skill should I be using to set target off balance? I also put poison injection on. And relentless. I tried switching out blood craze for rending slashes also. Didn't make much difference for me, but rotation is probably sloppy. Also, I tried rend, ballista and Dawnbreaker. For some reason, meteor still gets me more damage. Not a lot, but I'm at 23K almost 24.

for sorc, use elemental blockade with lightning staff to put off balance

Vaoh

Post a vid of your parse and I'll try to help you as much as possible. Mainly I want to help you on the Mag Sorc parse since that's my main.

Gear and rotation determines DPS. Need to see your in-game rotation and know your gear exactly before I can really help you out.

Also I highly recommend checking out Alcast's vids for stuff like this. He lays things out very nicely and posts what tend to be top notch builds

bebynnag

kylewwefan wrote: »

That's the point. On max level toon. Max CP. legendary gear. Good understanding of what I'm supposed to be doing. This MagSorc can perform as well or better with 2 AOE attack skills and heavy attacks then another max level legendary gear stam toon throwing everything but the kitchen sink at a target.

Ive tried Dawnbreaker, rend and ballista. Meteor still does more damages. I don't know why.

I can only figure that I must be doing something really wrong but I don't know where exactly I'm messing up.

you answer your own question... you throw everything but the kitchen sink... stop holding back!

seriously though regarding uploading your video,
do ps4 hava a version of xboxdvr? its basically a host site that allows you to easily share your vids/screenshots.

NotNormanBates

Your ps4 automatically stores the last 15 minutes of game play. To capture, save, and upload this 15min segment all you have to do is quickly press the small button on the upper left of your controller, opposite the options button. It says share above it. Then a screen will pop up, press video clip, then share on youtube, facebook or twitter, and post the link to the video here.

kylewwefan

I'm working on figuring out PS4 video uploads. It's kind of a pain to figure how to start/stop video then trim it up. It has to close app so you can trim video and send to YouTube. I guess maybe I link it here. Not sure. Complicated.


But good news! I tried rotation like izaki video and got to 25k DPS. Dawn breaker on bow bar, incap on front.

kylewwefan

https://youtu.be/svftsmY6S-k

Izaki

kylewwefan wrote: »

https://youtu.be/svftsmY6S-k

Aaah well there we go!

Let's see: you start off wrong, you apply your DoTs in the wrong order and you use your ultimate at the wrong times

Step 1:
Potion > put Reapers Mark on the dummy > bar swap > Deadly Cloak > Relentless Focus > swap > Run up to the dummy
Step 2:
Trap > Hail > Caltrops > Injection > Swap > Slashes > Incap > Bow proc > HA > Surprise Attack > HA > Surprise Attack
Step 3:
Trap > Hail > Caltrops > Injection > Swap > Relentless > HA > Slashes > HA > Deadly Cloak > HA > Surprise Attack
Repeat Step 2 and 3 until execute phase where you replace Surprise Attack with Killer's Blade. Light attack unless mentioned otherwise. This rotation should allow you to get used to sustaining and it should get you to about 35-40k with a bit of practice. From then on, when you're confortable with sustain, you can reduce the number of heavy attacks (not going to lie, you're still pretty far from that point, so just focus on getting this rotation down perfectly.

Its important to apply the DoTs in the order I listed: Trap then Hail then Caltrops and only then Poison Injection. Trap is your source of Minor Force so its logical to start the fight with it. It also has a 1.5 second delay before it deals damage. Hail also has a roughly 1 second delay before it starts ticking, so it makes sense to use those 2 abilities together. Poison Injection has to be used last because when you bar swap cancel it, with will start ticking on your front bar straight away, thus allowing you to gain quite a lot of damage on the skill. So that means that you use Caltrops after Hail and before Injection. So that's the order you Bow bar DoTs should always be applied in on a stamblade.

Always apply Rending Slashes BEFORE you use Incap. You want to have all your DoTs up when you hit Incap and only then use the Bow proc and Surprise Attack. Why? Incap is basically the same as Standard of Might for DKs - you want to empower all your DoTs and then go into "spam mode".

Hope this helps. Don't worry you'll get it soon enough, remember stamblade is probably the hardest stamina class and takes quite a long time to master (took me ages to get to where I am hehe). Keep at it and don't dispair!

kylewwefan

Thanks for helping! I'll try the right order later. I spent most the night trying to figure how to take, edit and share video. Still having issues with that.

The rotation is a bit more complex for me also. I usually slot camo hunter on R1 and Vigor/rally on L1. Using the full controller will take time getting used to.

Big thanks for explaining the order and importance of things!

kylewwefan

After a bit of practice I've gotten up to 27K. Thanks for the rotation and tips!

Izaki

Don't stop there! Keep at it!

kylewwefan

@IzakiBrotherSs i have been getting better at the rotation, but I’m stuck at 28k. I’m actually very happy with that and have been consistently hitting 28k. If I could ever beat Maelstrom and get one of them fancy bows I’m sure it would go up a bit.

I’ve tried a few different gear setups and messed with CP and mundus. Lover mundus with The Briarhearts/TFS/kraghs is working pretty good for me at the moment. 1 TFS infused dagger 1 Briarhearts Sharp axe and sharp TFS bow. Bow and axe have weapon damage enchant, disease on the axe.

My sustain has got much better on the skeleton, but when I swapped out dubious to regular blue it tanked bad in dungeons.

kylewwefan

Izaki wrote: »

Don't stop there! Keep at it!

Up to 30k now Solo on my StamBlade!

Gorilla

Congratulations. Shows what a helpful community and endeavor can accomplish.

Brutusmax1mus

Without vma bow or destro staff your dps will suffer.

Endless is easily the best dps per gcd in the game and is a huge chunk of all stamina dps.

The vma resto essentially doubles you're light attack damage, making light attacks weaving essential to become a top dps.

kylewwefan

The DPS is starting to go way up with more light attacks and relentless procs. I still have to throw in some heavy attacks to sustain though. Seems like the execute phase really skews the whole test. The damage really skyrockets that last %25.

kylewwefan

@Izaki thanks for them tips yesterday. I am now up to 34.5K DPS with VO/Hundings/Veledreth and that snazzy new charged Maelstrom Bow.

Hail, Trap, Caltrops, P.Inject

I can now get Solkyn Voriak to go upstairs without spawning a cream guard!

Could probably push even a little higher, but I prefer to play how I will be geared out for everything other than beating on a skeleton.

I also worked with a Nirnhoned masters 2H with VO/Hundings/ Masters2H Maelstrom Bow and got up to 28K

Really like playing with the 2H, but DW is better for group stuff.

jakeedmundson

kylewwefan wrote: »

@Izaki thanks for them tips yesterday. I am now up to 34.5K DPS with VO/Hundings/Veledreth and that snazzy new charged Maelstrom Bow.

Hail, Trap, Caltrops, P.Inject

I can now get Solkyn Voriak to go upstairs without spawning a cream guard!

Could probably push even a little higher, but I prefer to play how I will be geared out for everything other than beating on a skeleton.

I also worked with a Nirnhoned masters 2H with VO/Hundings/ Masters2H Maelstrom Bow and got up to 28K

Really like playing with the 2H, but DW is better for group stuff.

Soooo.... thanks for all the tips on this stuff. Informative reading here.

I'm gonna brush the dust off my stamblade and see what i can do with him

Bobby_V_Rockit

Just use the “precursor” target dummy. Doubled my DPS lol