possible bug hawk eye passive

Raghul

I don't know if it has been brought up before, and i don't know if it is a bug or working as intented,
But the hawk eye passive doesn't increase the tooltip damage of the bow ulti "ballista"

I am on my phone now so i can't provide screenshots until this evening eu time.

Anyone knows if this is a bug or working as intended?

Thanks in advance

AdicusDio

Remove everything from your character; ALL weapons (except leave1 bow), armor, jewelry, and be sure no buffs are presently active (mundus is ok). Look at the tool tip. Now, equip the jewelry only. Did it change?

One thing that's annoying, is say you run dual wield and bow. Swapping bars changes the weapon damage, skill damage, crit chance, etc. Sometimes the amount is a lot. Other thing, is some buffs might pop, and you stop and see "3xxxx" weapon damage. Then 6 minutes later it's at 2800, and t looks like a bug, but in reality a buff was active before, or bar swapping altered it,, or you swapped monster sets, etc.

AdicusDio

Another annoying thing is enemy resistance (pretty sure it's their resistance) affects damage done and needs some things done in CP or stam/magika pool to counter. Say Ballista states 38k damage. Against a trash mob wolf, it'll do that. Against a vet boss, it might do half until you tweak the build. Food for thought.

Raghul

During test i only used light attacks on my bow bar, i didn't proc any others sets by doing it, i only got my hawk eye passive upto 5 with the light attacks and i checked tooltip before test and right after the test when hawk eye passive was still active, it was exactly the same. I will check later this evening your suggestion with the jewelry.

Raghul

But if i am correct about this, it should be a bug, because for example with the mages guild passives, you can empower your skills by using a mages skill ability, and you can also empower meteor ulti, so why wouldn't the ballista get buffed by the bow passive hawk eye

Raghul

AdicusDio wrote: »

Another annoying thing is enemy resistance (pretty sure it's their resistance) affects damage done and needs some things done in CP or stam/magika pool to counter. Say Ballista states 38k damage. Against a trash mob wolf, it'll do that. Against a vet boss, it might do half until you tweak the build. Food for thought.

Well that doesn't affect the tooltip damage if a mob has higher resistance, i am just looking at the tooltip damage here, not the actual damage i deal on a mob

AdicusDio

I was just mentioning the damage done in case you were looking at say a CMX log from combat metrics and saw lower damage.

You have a 50% chance to get Empower with mage passive from next attack and only a 5 sec window. Empower is tricky because that can be applied to a weapon proc tic (or any tic) hitting before ballista for example (I might be wrong, but a burning tic should be considered an attack). Have to trigger empower and make sure nothing else ticks before you lay ballista down.

I know Ults that can go any weapon bar (Mage guild Ult for example) can change damage based on what's equipped.

Sorry, at the limit of my limit

Biro123

I also noticed the base bow ulti doesn't process any enchants you have on the bow when you fire it. (Not tried any of the morphs)

Raghul

AdicusDio wrote: »

I was just mentioning the damage done in case you were looking at say a CMX log from combat metrics and saw lower damage.

You have a 50% chance to get Empower with mage passive from next attack and only a 5 sec window. Empower is tricky because that can be applied to a weapon proc tic (or any tic) hitting before ballista for example (I might be wrong, but a burning tic should be considered an attack). Have to trigger empower and make sure nothing else ticks before you lay ballista down.

I know Ults that can go any weapon bar (Mage guild Ult for example) can change damage based on what's equipped.

Sorry, at the limit of my limit

You get 100% chance to get empower when you invest 2 points into it, and also 5 seconds, just like hawk eye passive, but i am just saying you can empower your meteor for example by hitting a mages guild ability right before using meteor, so you should also be able to buff your ballista by getting hawk eye procs ^^

GilGalad

@Raghul
Sometimes the tooltip does not represent the dmg increase. The question is if it's just a UI error, or if the dmg really doesn't get buffed.
Can you make the following tests (easiest would be naked to avoid any sets proccing, etc)
1. one Ballista cast against a target skeleton
2. One ballista cast after 5 light attacks against a target skeleton

In Both cases screenshot the Combat Metrics dmg log and compare both, the crit and non crit values. If they are the same we really have a bug here. Ballista not proccing bow enchants (according to @Biro123) could indicate that it's not treated as a bow ability.

idk

AdicusDio wrote: »

Remove everything from your character; ALL weapons (except leave1 bow), armor, jewelry, and be sure no buffs are presently active (mundus is ok). Look at the tool tip. Now, equip the jewelry only. Did it change?

One thing that's annoying, is say you run dual wield and bow. Swapping bars changes the weapon damage, skill damage, crit chance, etc. Sometimes the amount is a lot. Other thing, is some buffs might pop, and you stop and see "3xxxx" weapon damage. Then 6 minutes later it's at 2800, and t looks like a bug, but in reality a buff was active before, or bar swapping altered it,, or you swapped monster sets, etc.

equipping jewelry is irrelevant to the passive.

OP would need to use the ult against the target without doing anything else first grab the base damage. Then use the ult again after doing 5 light/heavy attacks to gain the full buff and test it again. It may update the tooltip just gaining the buffs but it is best to actually test it.

Raghul

I will do the test when i find time this weekend

Toc de Malsvi

Tested it on the PTS with a template character. Used light/medium attacks to build ultimate then let the hawkeye passive drop before using ballista, then did the same while keeping hawkeye passive maxed out. Each test has 3 uses of the ultimate.

Without Hawkeye passives:
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With Hawkeye passives:
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Toc de Malsvi

The damage is improved although the tooltip does not appear to be affected by having the passive active.

Raghul

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

The damage is improved although the tooltip does not appear to be affected by having the passive active.

Thanks alot for the test