Playing Without Eye of the Storm/Negate/AOE Heal Shouldn't Feel so Bad

Satiar

Sanct16 wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

crusnik91 wrote: »

The thing that makes it even harder if a 20 man group uses plague doctor with 35k++ health and has 5 healing springs on the group everytime.
As for your argument it has always been magicka > stamina for larger group play. If u want stamina classes to be useful (as in being a damage dealer) go in a smaller scale group. That is where stamina shines the best. There are of course roles for stamina builds in larger group play but they are just not the main AOE damage dealer.

Yeah you negate those guys to kill them. Gotta remove thier mobility and ground healing.

How about we release a 2p set that removes all ground effect including negate?

I'll run 24 of them but call it dumb to my dying breath.

I'm interested how Earthgore will work out vs our more regular competition. It's going to help groups like Drac who hate to die if they're not negated, but it's also going to help groups like mine that can bring waves of dps and sustained damage. My major hope is that it adds more durability to Cyro pvp, leads to more brawling fights.

Vilestride

Satiar wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

crusnik91 wrote: »

The thing that makes it even harder if a 20 man group uses plague doctor with 35k++ health and has 5 healing springs on the group everytime.
As for your argument it has always been magicka > stamina for larger group play. If u want stamina classes to be useful (as in being a damage dealer) go in a smaller scale group. That is where stamina shines the best. There are of course roles for stamina builds in larger group play but they are just not the main AOE damage dealer.

Yeah you negate those guys to kill them. Gotta remove thier mobility and ground healing.

How about we release a 2p set that removes all ground effect including negate?

I'll run 24 of them but call it dumb to my dying breath.

I'm interested how Earthgore will work out vs our more regular competition. It's going to help groups like Drac who hate to die if they're not negated, but it's also going to help groups like mine that can bring waves of dps and sustained damage. My major hope is that it adds more durability to Cyro pvp, leads to more brawling fights.

Meta is meta. Gotta do it. As it stands it looks like you'd be crazy to not run as much of this set in group as possible.

Earthgore is going to be strong whatever side of the coin you're on.

Keiryan wrote: »

What if they actually made it so eye of the storm actually had an eye to the storm.. and it only dealt damage within a 6 to 8 metre radius around the caster :0

This would actually be pretty cool IMO. Could add a level of depth to the skill and the strategy around countering it. Though I think 1m difference would be perfect. damages only at a 5-8 meter range, with 0-5 being a safe area, and the other morph probably still full range damage but stationary?

Aztlan

Proposition: the destro ulti train relies on coordinated use of EotS, Negate, Remembrance.

Proposition: the individuals members of the train are vulnerable to single target damage.

Solution: spread to avoid the ulti, apply heal debuffs, then focus down individuals with high single target damage.

I am envisioning an entire coordinated raid of single target killer bees (or wolves!).

MaximillianDiE

The meta in this game has always been aoe. Other mmos had these issues (DAOC, WAR) at the outset but ended up nerfing aoe damage to the point that single target assist trains became much more effective, which actually require much more skill to run. Every time it seems like that might happen here - they bring out some retardedly OP aoe (e.g. nerfing pulsar then buffing steel tornado to introducing prox det nerfing them both then introducing Eye of the Storm followed by Sleet/Trees). ZOS just don't seem to be able make its mind up about AOE despite the damage they do to the meta and their vet player base every patch.

ZOS is like a group of recovering alcoholics who put away their booze - but can't resist opening up that last bottle of scotch then wonder why they've woken up with their underpants on their heads, their hotel TV in the swimming pool, a diminishing bunch of brand new young friends telling them how awesome last night was while their old friends head out the door shaking their heads in dismay...

Xiphyla

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

The meta in this game has always been aoe. Other mmos had these issues (DAOC, WAR) at the outset but ended up nerfing aoe damage to the point that single target assist trains became much more effective, which actually require much more skill to run. Every time it seems like that might happen here - they bring out some retardedly OP aoe (e.g. nerfing pulsar then buffing steel tornado to introducing prox det nerfing them both then introducing Eye of the Storm followed by Sleet/Trees). ZOS just don't seem to be able make its mind up about AOE despite the damage they do to the meta and their vet player base every patch.

ZOS is like a group of recovering alcoholics who put away their booze - but can't resist opening up that last bottle of scotch then wonder why they've woken up with their underpants on their heads, their hotel TV in the swimming pool, a diminishing bunch of brand new young friends telling them how awesome last night was while their old friends head out the door shaking their heads in dismay...

Miss the good old daoc / warhammer days.

Sandman929

With the HotR change it doesn't look like they're every turning away from stacked AoE being the meta, instead now they're just going to hide some of it to help the games performance by eliminating some of the animations they've introduced into the game.
Nothing really makes you feel immersed in a world quite like hidden animations. Now we can watch our allies clapping their hands together or doing other animations that seem to be doing nothing to our eye, because why reverse course to make a more skillful single target focused game when you can just hide animations and continue down that path that stressing out performance, right?

Sanct16

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

The meta in this game has always been aoe. Other mmos had these issues (DAOC, WAR) at the outset but ended up nerfing aoe damage to the point that single target assist trains became much more effective, which actually require much more skill to run. Every time it seems like that might happen here - they bring out some retardedly OP aoe (e.g. nerfing pulsar then buffing steel tornado to introducing prox det nerfing them both then introducing Eye of the Storm followed by Sleet/Trees). ZOS just don't seem to be able make its mind up about AOE despite the damage they do to the meta and their vet player base every patch.

ZOS is like a group of recovering alcoholics who put away their booze - but can't resist opening up that last bottle of scotch then wonder why they've woken up with their underpants on their heads, their hotel TV in the swimming pool, a diminishing bunch of brand new young friends telling them how awesome last night was while their old friends head out the door shaking their heads in dismay...

I dont really see a big problem here. In ESO singletarget has its purpose and aoe has its purpose.

In a 10v10 a group focussing on singletarget will win against one focussing on aoe.

However thinking nerfing aoes would help the game or lead to a more spread out skirmish type of fight is unrealistic.

If they were to nerf aoe to the ground, the meta would be stacking 16 people on a spot with everyone rotating around the center of the ball. That way you make it impossible to focus a single person and the healers can easily outheal the damage. The counter to stacking is strong aoes.

The meta for 15v60 fights will always be aoe as long as you can get the 60 to stack on flags or other chokes and there is nothing wrong with that imo.

Sandman929

Sanct16 wrote: »

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

The meta in this game has always been aoe. Other mmos had these issues (DAOC, WAR) at the outset but ended up nerfing aoe damage to the point that single target assist trains became much more effective, which actually require much more skill to run. Every time it seems like that might happen here - they bring out some retardedly OP aoe (e.g. nerfing pulsar then buffing steel tornado to introducing prox det nerfing them both then introducing Eye of the Storm followed by Sleet/Trees). ZOS just don't seem to be able make its mind up about AOE despite the damage they do to the meta and their vet player base every patch.

ZOS is like a group of recovering alcoholics who put away their booze - but can't resist opening up that last bottle of scotch then wonder why they've woken up with their underpants on their heads, their hotel TV in the swimming pool, a diminishing bunch of brand new young friends telling them how awesome last night was while their old friends head out the door shaking their heads in dismay...

I dont really see a big problem here. In ESO singletarget has its purpose and aoe has its purpose.

In a 10v10 a group focussing on singletarget will win against one focussing on aoe.

However thinking nerfing aoes would help the game or lead to a more spread out skirmish type of fight is unrealistic.

If they were to nerf aoe to the ground, the meta would be stacking 16 people on a spot with everyone rotating around the center of the ball. That way you make it impossible to focus a single person and the healers can easily outheal the damage. The counter to stacking is strong aoes.

The meta for 15v60 fights will always be aoe as long as you can get the 60 to stack on flags or other chokes and there is nothing wrong with that imo.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it either, it's definitely more effective to play the game as it is rather than as I wish it were, but it's a little stale. If things change, it'll just be something else that eventually gets routine, but at least there will be a period of flux.