Bomb After Bomb After Bomb

Gothren

DoShazarr wrote: »

BOMB BOMB BOMB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQVjj4AlkW4

BOMB IS LOVE BOMB IS LIFE!

no actual horses were harmed in the making of this video...nah jking lots of dead horses.

MasterSpatula

zyk wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I really don't think there's any effing excuse for any one player to be able to do that much damage to that many players that quickly. It's patently absurd.

The absurd part is that players don't see it coming and continue to stack and get kited into choke points anyway.

Vicious Death and Proxy det are designed to discourage players from stacking. When players are successfully bombed, VD and proxy det are working as intended.

It is important to run counters in Cyrodiil. The way to counter bombs is through mobility. A group can't concentrate damage in one area if everyone spreads out. This means having a counter to snares and immobilizations. If you're not running with other players, you should also have the ability to heal yourself.

Further, these tools can be used against the bomb groups themselves as their strategy is based around stacking.

Assuming you're correct that this is necessary (and I think that's a valid topic of discussion, not simply an open-shut case), there's gotta be a better way than allowing single players to do this much damage.

I'm not even sure there are many worse ways to do it. Bombs are utterly toxic. I've only been hit by one, but I've watched them go off several times. They're fun ruiners, no matter if it's happening to my team or my team's doing it. It's miserable to lose that way, and I sure as F don't want to win that way nor want to team up with people who do.

No matter which side was the victim of it, I had zero fun.

StormWylf

What Bomb?

xSkullfox

Lord_Eomer

Curson wrote: »

The emp is decided by Bomb, the campaign is won by Bomb, the meta will continue to be Bomb, and Bomb will continue to push people out of Cyrodiil.

Bomb in Cyrodil and Gankers in IC!

Feanor

DoShazarr wrote: »

BOMB BOMB BOMB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQVjj4AlkW4

BOMB IS LOVE BOMB IS LIFE!

Cloak doesn't work they said.

Teridaxus

I just want to strangle my allies when a nb decloaks, they move even closer to him to hit him while nobody blocks killing 27 of 30 people in that area....

Magdalina

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I really don't think there's any effing excuse for any one player to be able to do that much damage to that many players that quickly. It's patently absurd.

I feel this is actually one of the very few things that are balanced in this game, as weird as it may sound. These people are literally sacrificing everything for that one burst. It's not like they just walk around dealing hundreds thousands damage at whim. They have no sustain whatsoever, no proper single target damage, they're literally useless if people don't do the potato stack on flag and afk waiting for ap thing(or one of the other potato stacks but it's a lot more difficult to bomb a group that's actively in combat from my understanding, aoes will reveal them way too early). As far as I understand, often they're killed right after it because if they don't manage to get away really fast they will be helpless against the survivors, their burst gone, resources near 0 and everything on cooldown. I also bet for every successful bomb there're quite a few much less successful ones when they do get detected early or players are simply more prepared.

I've had a few potato moment last double ap event myself when I did let my shields lapse and semi afk waiting for the resource tick and I may have died a few of these times to a bomber. Gotta say it was a really awesome experience, really adding to the much needed danger rather than "free ap farm for everyone" feeling. One second you're there and the next - woooosh! - a dark hooded figure appears from nowhere like Voldemort and everybody just dies, and them it just disappears again and you're just standing there in a cemetery (or lying there as part of it ) Personally I think it's uber awesome. It's also easily counterable, just be on your guard and try to avoid tight stacks like that. It's a war zone, not your personal ap farm - be prepared

As a side note, I really and passionately hate ganking. But bombing? These guys have my respect kinda.

Jhalin

Bombers don't really affect PvP all that much if you have an ounce of caution in your brain. It's very rare a bomber can take out and entire zerg (even pug ones), and once they've blown their damage, it's generally very easy to clean them up with continuous damage and a reveal.

I say this after experiencing about 15 of them during Mayhem, and dying only once, on a stage 4 vamp, to a flame destro ulti.

Edit: also seeing them in action is a treat. Even on the receiving end I was still super thrilled to see them completely nuke my group (as I stayed the *** away from them)

Megabear

Animal_Mother wrote: »

DoShazarr wrote: »

BOMB BOMB BOMB


BOMB IS LOVE BOMB IS LIFE!

That was GLORIOUS.

This happens all the time, despite numerous warnings.

Vizier

While we've all become pretty adept at avoiding the bomber, it's also true Bomb builds are not just for the solo suicide bomber. At least in the past builds used sets that pushed the boundaries by AUGMENTING and enhancing SKILLS. The Gank was a think of beauty. Now? Not so much. Peeps just letting the sets do the work for them. It shouldn't be this way. Sets should not be the primary source of damage when they proc. They should be secondary damage that push the dps over the hump for the kill. Not this...

pcar944

you should mention if that bomb was in CP or non-CP campaign too

you used to be able to actively bomb and come right back, you have to time everything, and even if you do chances of your bomb being successful are still questionable because there is a million and a half things that can go wrong and chances are if you fail you are going to be dead and getting t-bagged

vicious and proxy didn't need the nerfs they got a while back and people used to pay attention to bombers and when bombing took off people would spread out on a resource and not stack on the flag ... but at least in CP campaign its not the case anymore, amount of healing and everything else is just crazy sometimes that even known bombers are not consistant anymore (this doesn't include group players stacking proxy/vicious/destroy ulti)

Takes-No-Prisoner

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

We are born of the bomb. Made men by the bomb. Undone by the bomb.

dotme

Bomb is OP. Always has been. In the hands of a skilled emperor, it's spammable too (Ultimate regenerates instantly and the emp damage buff is devastating).

https://youtu.be/n5GH-X5bZeA

This is worth a watch - Entertaining stuff from someone who is most likely the top PvP player of all time on PS4 NA (in terms of AP earned and K/D ratio) but it kinda makes the OP's point as well.

Vapirko

kargen27 wrote: »

Give the non CP campaigns a try. Instead of being bombed on a flag (as an example) you will get hit by many many siege weapons.

If only that were still true, but as of late the bomb guilds/zergs have made their way into no cp as well.

@zyk If you get hit by a well placed tether bomb there is almost no counter, it happens extremely fast and often times you have others in their group spamming encase. 1v1 there is counterplay to destro ultis/bombs, but often its the case that keeps are too small and the aoe damage covers enough that you cant really get out. And some guilds pride themselves on stealthing in and launching 2 or 3 at once. Frankly I dont see how they get anything out of this but for some people winning is winning no matter how its done.

leetacakesb16_ESO

xSkullfox wrote: »

This is pretty much what I think of these players. They are basically Suicide bombers, waiting for a group standing at a flag before running in, exploding, and then getting killed themselves right after.

It's also seems to be the same players over and over again. They also have high knowledge of Cyrodiil's terrain, rocks in particular. Sometimes there is a house north from Faregyl that they like to play in as well.

I am always in a small group anyway but occasionally will follow a zerg to see where they attack. This is when I usually see the suicide bombers. So I've learned to recognise these certain players and keep a distance with my healing ultimate full for when they release their bomb. This has been a helpful counter for me when trying to keep people alive.

But sometimes, from lag I think, I get hit by one or two players with the same bomb and not realise it until I'm dead.

Lexxypwns

leetacakesb16_ESO wrote: »

xSkullfox wrote: »

This is pretty much what I think of these players. They are basically Suicide bombers, waiting for a group standing at a flag before running in, exploding, and then getting killed themselves right after.

It's also seems to be the same players over and over again. They also have high knowledge of Cyrodiil's terrain, rocks in particular. Sometimes there is a house north from Faregyl that they like to play in as well.

I am always in a small group anyway but occasionally will follow a zerg to see where they attack. This is when I usually see the suicide bombers. So I've learned to recognise these certain players and keep a distance with my healing ultimate full for when they release their bomb. This has been a helpful counter for me when trying to keep people alive.

But sometimes, from lag I think, I get hit by one or two players with the same bomb and not realise it until I'm dead.

It sounds like the last anecdote could be tether bombs. It's less likely to get the huge full raid wipes solo but there is absolutely 0 opportunity for counter play when done right. Most tether bombers are grouped these days too.

BejaProphet

There is only one counter play when three people simultaneously gap close on you with destroUlts running. It's called a revive tent.

Reverb

Zbigb4life

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

Rarely is my guild killed by a bomb. We spread when we see it coming, negate, then encapsulate them and counter bomb. Feigning attacks and causing the enemy to us ults when they shouldn't then attack. It's about tactics and good communication. If more people learned this they would keep getting cremated by bomb groups.

Exactely. How many times I have seen people killed just because they all keep standing together at a flag. It's like they never learn. It's not me who bombs btw.

Asardes

You don't need to be stacked on the flag to get the tick. And I doubt if more than 5 people are stacked there it will flip noticeably faster.

TequilaFire

dotme wrote: »

Bomb is OP. Always has been. In the hands of a skilled emperor, it's spammable too (Ultimate regenerates instantly and the emp damage buff is devastating).

https://youtu.be/n5GH-X5bZeA

This is worth a watch - Entertaining stuff from someone who is most likely the top PvP player of all time on PS4 NA (in terms of AP earned and K/D ratio) but it kinda makes the OP's point as well.

Sadly the top players of ESO don't play this game anymore because of cheese like this.

IxSTALKERxI

Bombing has always been a thing. It's never been this easy though. Destro ult and VD shouldn't be as strong as they are.

Winning a GvG (12 or less) with skilled players each side isn't always decided with a bomb though. You need to actually focus targets.

Takes-No-Prisoner

dotme wrote: »

Bomb is OP. Always has been. In the hands of a skilled emperor, it's spammable too (Ultimate regenerates instantly and the emp damage buff is devastating).

https://youtu.be/n5GH-X5bZeA

This is worth a watch - Entertaining stuff from someone who is most likely the top PvP player of all time on PS4 NA (in terms of AP earned and K/D ratio) but it kinda makes the OP's point as well.

Damnit tblaze1, you're suppose to be fighting not telling zone chat about your armor

Comfortably_Buzzed

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

We are born of the bomb. Made men by the bomb. Undone by the bomb.

And to bomb we shall return.

Chrlynsch

DHale

Bombers go for big groups of people... exactly where you are standing. if you don't want to get bombed don't stand grouped together. You know those same groups of 20 players that chase down one and two persons. Because they suck and need someone to come in a bimb then. Oh wait.... irony. I get it.

Bramir

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

Rarely is my guild killed by a bomb. We spread when we see it coming, negate, then encapsulate them and counter bomb. Feigning attacks and causing the enemy to us ults when they shouldn't then attack. It's about tactics and good communication. If more people learned this they would keep getting cremated by bomb groups.

Wait . . . are you suggesting there are tactics and counter tactics to be used in PvP?

Ridiculous. Cyrodil will be won by staying right on top of crown at all times. The organized groups say so!

mvffins

I actually like a good bomb dive whether I'm the one doing it or someone is doing it to me. It's something that has always been around so most experienced players have their heads on a swivel able to avoid an incoming kamikaze meaning it now takes tactics in order to pull it off correctly.

Most people who die from bombs are usually just members of a zerge that are just going through the motions without knowing what they are doing so I would say they are not in a place to complain since they are not giving it their all. That being said I still see more people attempting to bomb but failing these days, which is so pitiful.

Thrymbauld

I roll my eyes when I'm standing there surrounded by corpses because I had the presence of mind to hold my block button. I've seen bomb groups mouth breath so hard that they'll continue to roll right past me as I stand there stationary, block button held, sliver from death(vicious death hits hard)....and nobody even turns around to finish me off. They're paying that little attention to any singular player.

When I die to a group bomb, it's invariably from lag. I'll see the first guy starting to come out of a tower and my mind says "here they come"...my fingers say "here I go".....and the game says "no, you didn't, we didn't show you the incoming until it....incomed". Often, this also entreats me to a vicious death recap and my corpse still standing up because it all happened without bothering to update mine OR their position.

Fix the lag and the scatter happens much more clearly and the bomb doesn't work nearly as well.