ESO: Morrowind price VS GW2: PoF

andreasranasen

"Guild Wars 2: Path of Fire will launch on Sept. 22, and pre-orders for the expansion are live now. It is available on its own for $29.99 or bundled with Heart of Thorns for $49.99. The pricing is notable, as the first expansion caused a stir among some players by launching at $49.99, the same as the price of the core game."

Maybe this will force Zenimax to lower their "chapter" prices in the future for those who complained when Morrowind was announced? Myself, i have/had no problem with the Morrowind price, but i know a lot of people did. But maybe the price announcement of GW2 PoF could potentially force Zenimax to do the same in the future with their products.

So maybe next ESO Chapter could be $29.99 or with a Morrowind bundle for $49.99?

jcaceresw

Source?

MLGProPlayer

The only excuse for Morrowind being priced so egregiously was the fact that HoT was the same price. But even that was a poor excuse because GW2 isn't half as well monetised as ESO (no sub, can buy from cash shop using in-game currency, F2P base game, etc.).

MLGProPlayer

jcaceresw wrote: »

Source?

You could try googling it, the news is everywhere. But here you go anyway: https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/1/16074472/guild-wars-2-path-of-fire-expansion-reveal-release-date-announcement-crystal-desert-mounts

andreasranasen

jcaceresw wrote: »

Source?

http://www.mmorpg.com/guild-wars-2/news/path-of-fire-is-the-next-expansion-coming-september-22nd-1000045070

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

The only excuse for Morrowind being priced so egregiously was the fact that HoT was the same price. But even that was a poor excuse because GW2 isn't half as well monetised as ESO (no sub, can buy from cash shop using in-game currency, etc.).

Then maybe this is a good direction for the gaming industry. If one competitor lowers their prices everyone else will follow.

jcaceresw

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

jcaceresw wrote: »

Source?

You could try googling it, the news is everywhere. But here you go anyway: https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/1/16074472/guild-wars-2-path-of-fire-expansion-reveal-release-date-announcement-crystal-desert-mounts

Thanks for the link. Was not gonna check every link it may appear on Google before reaching the interesting one.

Alchemical

I got morrowind for $30?
Do people just like, not shop around any more? Paying retail price on anything is for suckers.

RainfeatherUK

andreasranasen wrote: »

Then maybe this is a good direction for the gaming industry. If one competitor lowers their prices everyone else will follow.

Oh please. The pricing is fine, stop expecting hand outs like every other self entitled greedy casual.

Less money = content quality drop/time release. Not a hard concept to follow, especially with a game thats significantly more complex than gw2. At least if your IQ is somewhere above that of a brick ofcourse.

idk

Companies choose their own price. Kinda. Really, the only ones that play ESO that even care what GW2 is doing are those that play both games. Probably not the bulk of us.

Troneon

andreasranasen wrote: »

"Guild Wars 2: Path of Fire will launch on Sept. 22, and pre-orders for the expansion are live now. It is available on its own for $29.99 or bundled with Heart of Thorns for $49.99. The pricing is notable, as the first expansion caused a stir among some players by launching at $49.99, the same as the price of the core game."

Maybe this will force Zenimax to lower their "chapter" prices in the future for those who complained when Morrowind was announced? Myself, i have/had no problem with the Morrowind price, but i know a lot of people did. But maybe the price announcement of GW2 PoF could potentially force Zenimax to do the same in the future with their products.

So maybe next ESO Chapter could be $29.99 or with a Morrowind bundle for $49.99?

I don't care if they lower it to 1 penny, it's a fake expansion DLC riddled with bugs and should not have been released, and not outside of ESO PLUS.....ZOS are a disgrace and incompetent.

ixie

also GW2: PoF has way more content than Morrowind

Cpt_Teemo

Yeah Swtor expacs were only 20$ each, until the newest ones where you just have to basically sub to gain access and even keep whatever you unlocked after sub goes to pref.

ESO's prices might be alittle over the top but other games have really drained alot more than what ZoS has.

Ever try looking at Origin prices ?

MLGProPlayer

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Then maybe this is a good direction for the gaming industry. If one competitor lowers their prices everyone else will follow.

Oh please. The pricing is fine, stop expecting hand outs like every other self entitled greedy casual.

Less money = content quality drop/time release. Not a hard concept to follow, especially with a game thats significantly more complex than gw2. At least if your IQ is somewhere above that of a brick ofcourse.

Witcher 3 expansion bundle was $20 at launch. It included an extension to one zone, as well as an entirely new zone (around the same size as Vvardenfell but MUCH more detailed). All quests were likewise voice acted. All for $20 at launch.

What "quality" did we get with morrowind? It's one of the smallest MMO ezxpansions to be released in a long time. The only one that was comparably empty was... HoT, the first GW2 expansion.

Yes, it's great that ESO has detailed, voice acted quests, but that's not enough to justify a $40 price tag. Especially when you consider how embarrassingly little content there was in the expansion and how much this game makes off of the players outside of expansions (cash shop, crates, sub, box price, etc).

MLGProPlayer

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah Swtor expacs were only 20$ each, until the newest ones where you just have to basically sub to gain access and even keep whatever you unlocked after sub goes to pref.

ESO's prices might be alittle over the top but other games have really drained alot more than what ZoS has.

Ever try looking at Origin prices ?

There are better publishers to compare to than EA. But Zenimax isn't far off.

Cpt_Teemo

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah Swtor expacs were only 20$ each, until the newest ones where you just have to basically sub to gain access and even keep whatever you unlocked after sub goes to pref.

ESO's prices might be alittle over the top but other games have really drained alot more than what ZoS has.

Ever try looking at Origin prices ?

There are better publishers to compare to than EA. But Zenimax isn't far off.

I mean they did have Sims 4 when it first launched for like 120$ if I remembered.

Linaleah

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Then maybe this is a good direction for the gaming industry. If one competitor lowers their prices everyone else will follow.

Oh please. The pricing is fine, stop expecting hand outs like every other self entitled greedy casual.

Less money = content quality drop/time release. Not a hard concept to follow, especially with a game thats significantly more complex than gw2. At least if your IQ is somewhere above that of a brick ofcourse.

Witcher 3 expansion bundle was $20 at launch. It included an extension to one zone, as well as an entirely new zone (around the same size as Vvardenfell but MUCH more detailed). All quests were likewise voice acted. All for $20 at launch.

What "quality" did we get with morrowind? It's one of the smallest MMO ezxpansions to be released in a long time. The only one that was comparably empty was... HoT, the first GW2 expansion.

Yes, it's great that ESO has detailed, voice acted quests, but that's not enough to justify a $40 price tag. Especially when you consider how embarrassingly little content there was in the expansion and how much this game makes off of the players outside of expansions (cash shop, crates, sub, box price, etc).

$25 actualy and witcher 3 is a single player game, which means - no server maintenance costs.

after HoT, I'm not surprised that GW2 is lowering their expansion price. AND offering free preview weekend just to convince people to buy.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Alchemical wrote: »

I got morrowind for $30?
Do people just like, not shop around any more? Paying retail price on anything is for suckers.

Which means you and your awesome shopping habits will be able to score PoF for 19.99. So the point the op was aiming at, still applies. Even to leet shopper dudes.

andreasranasen

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Then maybe this is a good direction for the gaming industry. If one competitor lowers their prices everyone else will follow.

Oh please. The pricing is fine, stop expecting hand outs like every other self entitled greedy casual.

Less money = content quality drop/time release. Not a hard concept to follow, especially with a game thats significantly more complex than gw2. At least if your IQ is somewhere above that of a brick ofcourse.

Witcher 3 expansion bundle was $20 at launch. It included an extension to one zone, as well as an entirely new zone (around the same size as Vvardenfell but MUCH more detailed). All quests were likewise voice acted. All for $20 at launch.

What "quality" did we get with morrowind? It's one of the smallest MMO ezxpansions to be released in a long time. The only one that was comparably empty was... HoT, the first GW2 expansion.

Yes, it's great that ESO has detailed, voice acted quests, but that's not enough to justify a $40 price tag. Especially when you consider how embarrassingly little content there was in the expansion and how much this game makes off of the players outside of expansions (cash shop, crates, sub, box price, etc).

I mean, $40 for me is not a lot. But now comparing GW2 PoF and Morrowind it is quite a lot. PoF is coming with sooo much content. 9 NEW professions to classes = new weapons for each class. And mounts! Every mount has it's own unique ability such as jumping, speed, hovering etc. Omg just reading everything that comes with PoF i almost wanna go back o_O

MLGProPlayer

Linaleah wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Then maybe this is a good direction for the gaming industry. If one competitor lowers their prices everyone else will follow.

Oh please. The pricing is fine, stop expecting hand outs like every other self entitled greedy casual.

Less money = content quality drop/time release. Not a hard concept to follow, especially with a game thats significantly more complex than gw2. At least if your IQ is somewhere above that of a brick ofcourse.

Witcher 3 expansion bundle was $20 at launch. It included an extension to one zone, as well as an entirely new zone (around the same size as Vvardenfell but MUCH more detailed). All quests were likewise voice acted. All for $20 at launch.

What "quality" did we get with morrowind? It's one of the smallest MMO ezxpansions to be released in a long time. The only one that was comparably empty was... HoT, the first GW2 expansion.

Yes, it's great that ESO has detailed, voice acted quests, but that's not enough to justify a $40 price tag. Especially when you consider how embarrassingly little content there was in the expansion and how much this game makes off of the players outside of expansions (cash shop, crates, sub, box price, etc).

$25 actualy and witcher 3 is a single player game, which means - no server maintenance costs.

after HoT, I'm not surprised that GW2 is lowering their expansion price. AND offering free preview weekend just to convince people to buy.

Server costs are a negligible operating cost these days. And like I said, the game earns revenue from multiple sources already.

Sylosi

The latest expansion in GW2 is cheaper than the previous, because the game has hemorrhaged players - 4 consecutive quarters of record low revenue, HoT (the previous expansion) according to NCSOFT annual reports sold less than was expected, etc.

Arenanet screwed a lot of things up with the last expansion, content that was supposed to come with the expansion that took nearly 18 months+ to get in the game (legendary armour), they scrapped the big overhaul to world vs world (Cyrodil) and the game mode collapsed (plus a map most players hated so much they had to remove it and rework it), a failed MOBA like PvP mode that was badly designed, huge content droughts, because they put all their resources into the expansion, that they hugely powercreeped the elite specs they added to the game to "encourage" people to buy the last expansion (so for example for every single class in PvP the meta build was teh new spec that came with the expansion), which greatly lowered build diversity and bored players into leaving the game, and so on.

Basically the last expansion was not a success story, so it is not surprising given that and their continued drop in revenues that they are being more generous with their pricing this time.

Cpt_Teemo

Yeah I also like how games give a free level boost to those that are new to the game and just want 1 max level character to mess around with without having to worry to level

andreasranasen

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah I also like how games give a free level boost to those that are new to the game and just want 1 max level character to mess around with without having to worry to level

They should just implement that in ESO. There's no point of leveling to 50 anymore.

Doctordarkspawn

Guarentee the next one will be the same price. Zenimax wont compromise on it's own monitization, just like it wont hire people who'll actually improve the game.

Cpt_Teemo

andreasranasen wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah I also like how games give a free level boost to those that are new to the game and just want 1 max level character to mess around with without having to worry to level

They should just implement that in ESO. There's no point of leveling to 50 anymore.

Exactly, only takes about 4 hours or so in Skyreach with a 50% pot, 2 1/2 or so with a 150% pot.

Vipstaakki

If you think this will force anyone to lower their prices you are going to disappointed badly.

MLGProPlayer

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Guarentee the next one will be the same price. Zenimax wont compromise on it's own monitization, just like it wont hire people who'll actually improve the game.

It will be hard to sell a 30 hour Murkmire expansion for $40. Morrowind sold on the hype.

Slick_007

considering my collectors edition morrowind did not give me a second copy of the base game (since i already owned the base game) it was priced far far far far far too high. I had plans to give that copy to a friend but i felt really ripped off. ive paid for 2 base games + 1 morrowind and iv only got 1 base game + morrowind.

Sigtric

$30 is still $40 too high for an NCSoft title.

Delerium

except Guild Wars 2 is terrible...

Doctordarkspawn

Sigtric wrote: »

$30 is still $40 too high for an NCSoft title.

40 dollars is too high for a Zenimax product.

idk

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Yeah Swtor expacs were only 20$ each, until the newest ones where you just have to basically sub to gain access and even keep whatever you unlocked after sub goes to pref.

ESO's prices might be alittle over the top but other games have really drained alot more than what ZoS has.

Ever try looking at Origin prices ?

@Kyle1983b14_ESO SWTOR requires sub to do anything pretty much. Also, they have gone supper cheap on adding to the game. Ran off decent raiders because they ceased to add raids and oversimplified combat and builds. Most of what they add these days is reasons to grind the same content that is already in the game. Sad how far SWTOR has fallen.