Magplar - Dark flare

Triumviri

if wardens can have their cliff racer be instant cast , delayed damage non dodge-able. Why cant Templar's have dark flair be instant cast, delayed damaged non dodge-able? its like the same... except Templar's is a severely nerfed version.

NordSwordnBoard

WuffyCerulei

Solar flare and morphs all need a good reworking. Dark flare shouldn't be dodgeable with the cast time, and solar barrage is just bloody pointless.

Maikon

Triumviri wrote: »

if wardens can have their cliff racer be instant cast , delayed damage non dodge-able. Why cant Templar's have dark flair be instant cast, delayed damaged non dodge-able? its like the same... except Templar's is a severely nerfed version.

Ok, make dark flare undodgable, but you have to make jesus beam dodgeable and reduce the damage by 50%.

Triumviri

Maikon wrote: »

Triumviri wrote: »

if wardens can have their cliff racer be instant cast , delayed damage non dodge-able. Why cant Templar's have dark flair be instant cast, delayed damaged non dodge-able? its like the same... except Templar's is a severely nerfed version.

Ok, make dark flare undodgable, but you have to make jesus beam dodgeable and reduce the damage by 50%.

i think you perhaps overate RD. its lackluster and sits on the bar waiting for execute range.

Maikon

Triumviri wrote: »

if wardens can have their cliff racer be instant cast , delayed damage non dodge-able. Why cant Templar's have dark flair be instant cast, delayed damaged non dodge-able? its like the same... except Templar's is a severely nerfed version.

Ok, make dark flare undodgable, but you have to make jesus beam dodgeable and reduce the damage by 50%.

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WhiteMage

Maikon wrote: »

Triumviri wrote: »

if wardens can have their cliff racer be instant cast , delayed damage non dodge-able. Why cant Templar's have dark flair be instant cast, delayed damaged non dodge-able? its like the same... except Templar's is a severely nerfed version.

Ok, make dark flare undodgable, but you have to make jesus beam dodgeable and reduce the damage by 50%.

Don't tell me people still have their undergarments in a twist about RD! Since the 21% nerf, each tick does as much as any other execute with comparable stats. All that's special about it is the first tick is immediate, it locks onto a target for a few seconds, and it undodgable. Two of those are paid for by it being interruptible.

Maikon

WhiteMage wrote: »

Maikon wrote: »

Triumviri wrote: »

if wardens can have their cliff racer be instant cast , delayed damage non dodge-able. Why cant Templar's have dark flair be instant cast, delayed damaged non dodge-able? its like the same... except Templar's is a severely nerfed version.

Ok, make dark flare undodgable, but you have to make jesus beam dodgeable and reduce the damage by 50%.

Don't tell me people still have their undergarments in a twist about RD! Since the 21% nerf, each tick does as much as any other execute with comparable stats. All that's special about it is the first tick is immediate, it locks onto a target for a few seconds, and it undodgable. Two of those are paid for by it being interruptible.

Point is, no one can complain about the only skill a class has to depend on, when they in turn have multiple dps skills, heals, a knock back, bubble, and an execute.

Magwarden has 1 dps skill..... and a delayed knock down, that's it. It's nothing compared to a Magplar.

Didaco

By the same logic, let's make Uppercut undodgeable too.
It's even more risky than shooting a high damage projectile from the distance because it requires you to be at melee range and you can bypass it by simply walking through the caster, since it only works on a 7 (or 8?) meter 180 cone.

No thanks.

SodanTok

if [insert class] can have their [insert skill] be [insert unique or semiunique trait] Why cant [insert another class] have [insert skill of that class] be [insert same traits]? its like the same... except [insert the another class] is a [insert complaint]

You would be surprised (given the nature of your post), but most people would not be surprised that you could insert almost anything to above formule and it would have worked and made 'sense'

Reverb

Undodgable sounds ok I guess, but I'd still rather give it the Crystal Shards treatment for instant-cast procs.

WreckfulAbandon

Non-dodgeable Dark Flare would be super OP, if it stayed exactly the way it is (sans the dodgeable aspect)

Just sayin. And the squishy stam builds would be the first ones in here complaining about it, rightfully so.

DeHei

We talk about templar... only change would be a decrease from 1,2 sec to 2,4 sec, because somebody was killed 1 time by it and screamed here about the OPness from this or other templarskills

Maikon

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Brutusmax1mus

I have a 1 shot dark flare build, and in bgs my flare crits over 10k. But sure, buff it!

Curragraigue

An undodgable range attack with a defile on it... Mmh no thanks.

Keep Dark Flare as is or better yet make it instant cast but increase cost. Then change the useless morph to instant cast, undodgable, less damage and no defile version of Dark Flare. Problem solved.

ak_pvp

You know that flare deals double damage and defiles, right. Not to mention an empower. 15k into an empowered Jbeam/Javelin is solid. Only thing worth changing is make eclipse a misschance/stun depending on morph.

Baconlad

Hahahahahahahahah....

Seriously dark flare deals rediculous damage. A FULL UBER DAMAGE ZOMG magwarden gets like 5-6k on a bird crit...on me

THATS *** MISERABLE FOR A SKILL THEY DONT HAVE THE OPTION TO NOT USE. My dark flare empowered AND buffed has dealt 21k max...and that using bloodspawn over slimcraw. Also using witchmothers over dual stat. (Basically i could hit a lot harder if i tried). My average crit is over 12k...it should be dodgeable.

Also, the bird being dodgable arguement. Its a BIRD...why would it not move to hit its target

Baconlad

Oh yeah...dont remind me about the followup to the empowered dark flare, javelin, radiant destruction. Unstable core all hitting at roughly the same second. Tell a magden to do THAT

Baconlad

They need to get rid of solar barage and give us a morph of dark flare that gives a different buff or debuff. Dark flare gives empower, solar barage deals AOE at half damage and is instant and ranged just like dark flare.

DeHei

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I have a 1 shot dark flare build, and in bgs my flare crits over 10k. But sure, buff it!

I can push my PvP single target DPS output to 25k..
Your Dark Flare deals 10k krits? Ok, but can you do other thing as a spamm of it? Your DPS with spamming it is under 10k. This skill is worse like hell, because you are not able to push heavy attacks while loading 1 Dark Flare. If you are good, you will use 1 light attack between every Dark Flare. Crystal Fragments from Sorc deal crits much higher then 10k, are instant if right used and a hard CC too! (WTF)! Will of Assassination deal much higher damage.. i allready got a 16,8k krit while having 2,3k crit resistance together with some light attacks (WTF)! Everybody laugh about your 10k Dark Flare crits. When you able to kill anybody in BGs, he surely forgot to move or heal... maybe he was afk

Baconlad wrote: »

Oh yeah...dont remind me about the followup to the empowered dark flare, javelin, radiant destruction. Unstable core all hitting at roughly the same second. Tell a magden to do THAT

One good dodge or shuffle active and your burst is away

Brutusmax1mus

Baconlad wrote: »

They need to get rid of solar barage and give us a morph of dark flare that gives a different buff or debuff. Dark flare gives empower, solar barage deals AOE at half damage and is instant and ranged just like dark flare.

Solar barrage isn't ranged. I think solar barrage should be a fire damage self buff that deals damage to enemies affected by your vampires bane or reflective light every 1 second for 10 seconds, each enemy hit decreases its damage by x%.

I'm picturing an actual barrage of light, doing decent aoe damage, or good single target dot.

DeHei

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

They need to get rid of solar barage and give us a morph of dark flare that gives a different buff or debuff. Dark flare gives empower, solar barage deals AOE at half damage and is instant and ranged just like dark flare.

Solar barrage isn't ranged. I think solar barrage should be a fire damage self buff that deals damage to enemies affected by your vampires bane or reflective light every 1 second for 10 seconds, each enemy hit decreases its damage by x%.

I'm picturing an actual barrage of light, doing decent aoe damage, or good single target dot.

Just something NOT COMPLETLY USELESS would be nice..

Brutusmax1mus

DeHei wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I have a 1 shot dark flare build, and in bgs my flare crits over 10k. But sure, buff it!

I can push my PvP single target DPS output to 25k..
Your Dark Flare deals 10k krits? Ok, but can you do other thing as a spamm of it? Your DPS with spamming it is under 10k. This skill is worse like hell, because you are not able to push heavy attacks while loading 1 Dark Flare. If you are good, you will use 1 light attack between every Dark Flare. Crystal Fragments from Sorc deal crits much higher then 10k, are instant if right used and a hard CC too! (WTF)! Will of Assassination deal much higher damage.. i allready got a 16,8k krit while having 2,3k crit resistance together with some light attacks (WTF)! Everybody laugh about your 10k Dark Flare crits. When you able to kill anybody in BGs, he surely forgot to move or heal... maybe he was afk

Baconlad wrote: »

Oh yeah...dont remind me about the followup to the empowered dark flare, javelin, radiant destruction. Unstable core all hitting at roughly the same second. Tell a magden to do THAT

One good dodge or shuffle active and your burst is away

That's my bg no cp build with 2.2k regen and 900 stam regen, so 10k is plenty.

Cp dark flare is straight overpowered. What is your "pvp dps" rotation that does 25k dps? Bc i bet you mean burst, there is no way you're sustaining 25k single target damage. In cp I've hit 20k with a spammable attack. I've never been hit by any 1 attack harder than I've hot ppl with flare, including frags, will, ultimates.

Also, wtf are you assuming i just sit and spam flare??? Bc that does work great when zerg surfing, but i am more of a small scale kinda guy.

Sure, go ahead and light attack weave till assassin's will procs, you do realize that's just as easy to dodge right? I have a mage blade too, assassins will is a great spell but predictable.

Koensol

No. Darkflare shouldn't be undodgable. This cancer mechanic needs to die. It removes all skill from the game.

DeHei

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I have a 1 shot dark flare build, and in bgs my flare crits over 10k. But sure, buff it!

I can push my PvP single target DPS output to 25k..
Your Dark Flare deals 10k krits? Ok, but can you do other thing as a spamm of it? Your DPS with spamming it is under 10k. This skill is worse like hell, because you are not able to push heavy attacks while loading 1 Dark Flare. If you are good, you will use 1 light attack between every Dark Flare. Crystal Fragments from Sorc deal crits much higher then 10k, are instant if right used and a hard CC too! (WTF)! Will of Assassination deal much higher damage.. i allready got a 16,8k krit while having 2,3k crit resistance together with some light attacks (WTF)! Everybody laugh about your 10k Dark Flare crits. When you able to kill anybody in BGs, he surely forgot to move or heal... maybe he was afk

Baconlad wrote: »

Oh yeah...dont remind me about the followup to the empowered dark flare, javelin, radiant destruction. Unstable core all hitting at roughly the same second. Tell a magden to do THAT

One good dodge or shuffle active and your burst is away

That's my bg no cp build with 2.2k regen and 900 stam regen, so 10k is plenty.

Cp dark flare is straight overpowered. What is your "pvp dps" rotation that does 25k dps? Bc i bet you mean burst, there is no way you're sustaining 25k single target damage. In cp I've hit 20k with a spammable attack. I've never been hit by any 1 attack harder than I've hot ppl with flare, including frags, will, ultimates.

Also, wtf are you assuming i just sit and spam flare??? Bc that does work great when zerg surfing, but i am more of a small scale kinda guy.

Sure, go ahead and light attack weave till assassin's will procs, you do realize that's just as easy to dodge right? I have a mage blade too, assassins will is a great spell but predictable.

I can sustain that endless! Overwhelming, valkyn, 3 aoe effects, 2 dots, elemental drain and purifying light! No need for a spamable skill, i just hold my rotation with light attacks and do much pressure with that.

Maybe your burst is great with that.. i am not a zergplayer, because i want tactical fights! And i really thing the casttime on Dark Flare isnt useful.. Without casttime maybe the skill could be too strong, but a slightly damage decrease would fix that!

Look on of my best BG Battles:


Isnt impossible to play a different style to all others! If you wish i create a video of DPS testing at a dummy... dummyversion you can choose!

Brutusmax1mus

I'd love to see you pulling 50k dps on a dummy.

DeHei

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I'd love to see you pulling 50k dps on a dummy.

Sry isnt possible.. with my PvE build i could touch 35k, but normally i have arround 33k..

I would like to test master alchemist from new trial, but i need to farm it first.. In PvP this sets are useless.. with my 25k i do more damage then most other guys. The common DPS in PvP is something between 10-15k...

UppGRAYxDD

No dark flare is fine...solar barrage needs some attention though. Just a useless skill

DeHei

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

No dark flare is fine...solar barrage needs some attention though. Just a useless skill

Solar Barrage
Healing Ritual (both morphs)
Eclipse

All of this skills need a completly rework..
Eclipse i would prefer a selfbuffed skill like other classes have..

Blazing Spear need the stun back!

Baconlad

@DeHei one dodge shuffle my burst is ruined? Rofl. Say that to my unstable core (which is only partially dodgeable, the skill will go onto a dodging character, but the damage effect, which is very hard to figure out when it goes of is dodgeable.). My unstable hits for 6-7k crits at 60%crit. If i notice you as a stamina toon dodging flare properly, i go into a unstable core, javelin, radiant rotation with souls assault into the mix if i dont need resto ult.

Dark flare has one problem, its that it is so easy to counter, but i will take the ease of countering it over a less damaging flare any day. I LOVE how hard dark flare hits. All it takes is one well timed empowered dark flare javelin combo with the enemy not paying attention. Even the best players in this game make mistakes countering. Its impossible to focus on everything all the time in combat. And i bank on mistakes and punish them SEVERELY with this build. Do NOT make dark flare harder to counter, as a reduction in damage would be incomming along with it.

I also enjoy how little other templars out there like playing build, many templars forgo dark flare for other easier more reliable but less bursty damage. And thats ok...its hard to enjoy playing a playstyle when 50% of ur attacks are dodged. But like i said i enjoy it because i enjoy watching you play, and learning your weaknesses as a player. Abd punishing that weakness by landing one solid combo on you doing more damage in 2 seconds than any build in game.