Baby Craftbag

coop500

I might catch some hate for this from ESO + members, but I'm curious nonetheless.

I was doing a lot of thinking yesterday about the possibility of a baby craft bag, something that will not fully replace it but something that will still help out.

So basically, here are my thoughts on such a said thing.

It can only be accessed at a bank and your mats will not automatically go in there

It won't have as good of sorting

You will have to earn it one way or another, either buy it from the crown store, do certain quests/achievements, get to a certain level or some other requirement.

You will have to take the items out of it to use them

Still only for mats

Can even still have limited space, like 500 or so.

Can even be more annoying and make it where items won't stack automatically and must pull items out to stack them, like in a guild bank.

The main craft bag will still be desired by many players because of all these inconvinces, but it will also give players who are unable to pay for ESO + a option.

Unfadingsilence

I would still like to just buy mine in the crown store tbh sure I like eso+ but enjoy it even more with the crafting bag just on raw mats I'm over 50k

Unfadingsilence

It would be the one item I would pay a lot of crowns for as well

WhiteCoatSyndrome

...I need to get out more, because when I read the title I thought 'but there are no children in Tamriel!'

coop500

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

...I need to get out more, because when I read the title I thought 'but there are no children in Tamriel!'

Hahah~ I like to use cute terms lol, if ZOS had something like this I doubt they'd call it the baby craft bag. It'd be adorable though

AcadianPaladin

I think it would be similar and simpler to lower the cost of upgrading your bank and increasing the ultimate capacity banks can be raised to.

coop500

That'd be nice, I'd pour money into the bank forever if I could. It's just too small though.

Unfadingsilence

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I think it would be similar and simpler to lower the cost of upgrading your bank and increasing the ultimate capacity banks can be raised to.

I though that same thing but when I look in my bag I know I would run out of room within secs

coop500

See I don't mind ESO+ people getting the good stuff faster, I'll spend years to get something, but the fact of the matter is, after your bank is maxed you're pretty much done and if you wanna do serious crafting, you are forced to buy ESO+ and that just stinks seems how we had to buy the game in the first place.

If the game was free to play from the start I wouldn't care and expect a system like this

seedubsrun

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

...I need to get out more, because when I read the title I thought 'but there are no children in Tamriel!'

Completely unrelated but I never really realized that until you said it. I wonder why there aren't any kids?

Unfadingsilence

seedubsrun wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

...I need to get out more, because when I read the title I thought 'but there are no children in Tamriel!'

Completely unrelated but I never really realized that until you said it. I wonder why there aren't any kids?

There's a post about why there are none just go look it up

coop500

seedubsrun wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

...I need to get out more, because when I read the title I thought 'but there are no children in Tamriel!'

Completely unrelated but I never really realized that until you said it. I wonder why there aren't any kids?

because people (not me) would kill them or be mad that you can't lol.

lasertooth

This already exists for console users. It's called a personal guild bank

coop500

lasertooth wrote: »

This already exists for console users. It's called a personal guild bank

That's console, what about PC?

MissBizz

coop500 wrote: »

lasertooth wrote: »

This already exists for console users. It's called a personal guild bank

That's console, what about PC?

Then it's a much pricier, but still possible.

coop500

MissBizz wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

lasertooth wrote: »

This already exists for console users. It's called a personal guild bank

That's console, what about PC?

Then it's a much pricier, but still possible.

You mean the ESO+ craft bag, which is exactly what I am trying to avoid?

Did you read the whole part of my OP?

Nestor

What I used before the Craft Bag was an Alt Character with maxed out bag space. And, this was back before we had 200 max slots.

But, you kind of don't need a lot of storage anymore for crafting, if you pare it down to essentials:

You have two stages of the game, Leveling and End Game. We no longer spend weeks or months in intermediate levels, unless we want to. So no real need to store a bunch of leveling mats. And, once you get a character to Champ Ranks, any character you level to 50 is also champ ranked. This has dramatically reduced the need to store a lot of mats. Once you get your main characters leveled, you really only need to store end game mats, so 4 materials, 12 tempers, figure about 20 enchanting runes (and that is mostly essences), about 10 alchemy mats (figuring most commonly used potions) and 6 to 15 or so provisioning ingredients. So, storage needs are quite low now. Style Mats are what takes up the space now a days, but you can buy a ton of Mimic Stones cheap with Crowns, so no need to store those. So, 50 to 70 slots is all you really need, and you could even get by with less than that if you really pare it down.

How you handle your leveling characters is to make sets of gear for them, then store it and hand it down to the next one. Even then, your leveling alts can farm gear as they play as world dropped sets are pretty sweet now. Add in that your buffed by the game big time while leveling, so you really don't need fancy gear from L1 to L50.

Megabear

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

...I need to get out more, because when I read the title I thought 'but there are no children in Tamriel!'

You're right. No kids in Tamriel, how come I never noticed that?

Nestor

Megabear wrote: »

You're right. No kids in Tamriel, how come I never noticed that?

All the Bosmer running around. They are short.

coop500

Nestor wrote: »

What I used before the Craft Bag was an Alt Character with maxed out bag space. And, this was back before we had 200 max slots.

But, you kind of don't need a lot of storage anymore for crafting, if you pare it down to essentials:

You have two stages of the game, Leveling and End Game. We no longer spend weeks or months in intermediate levels, unless we want to. So no real need to store a bunch of leveling mats. And, once you get a character to Champ Ranks, any character you level to 50 is also champ ranked. This has dramatically reduced the need to store a lot of mats. Once you get your main characters leveled, you really only need to store end game mats, so 4 materials, 12 tempers, figure about 20 enchanting runes (and that is mostly essences), about 10 alchemy mats (figuring most commonly used potions) and 6 to 15 or so provisioning ingredients. So, storage needs are quite low now. Style Mats are what takes up the space now a days, but you can buy a ton of Mimic Stones cheap with Crowns, so no need to store those. So, 50 to 70 slots is all you really need, and you could even get by with less than that if you really pare it down.

How you handle your leveling characters is to make sets of gear for them, then store it and hand it down to the next one. Even then, your leveling alts can farm gear as they play as world dropped sets are pretty sweet now. Add in that your buffed by the game big time while leveling, so you really don't need fancy gear from L1 to L50.

Unless you want to craft stuff for other players

Nestor

coop500 wrote: »

Unless you want to craft stuff for other players

Of course, but do what I do, make them bring you the mats. If anyone ever asks me for gear other than L1 to L14 (as I have thousands of those mats) I ask them to bring the mats. They can also buy the potencies cheap to cover that part. But, even if you store the mats, you only need 40 slots for all those. All this can be covered by your bank and still have slots left over for other bank functions.

As, the crafting needs and levels I pointed out above apply to other players too. They are leveling or they are end game. They spend little time leveling, and most take an L10 Set of gear with the training trait on it and zerg surf dolmens on the way to 50. The putterers and flower smellers (which I am one) can farm their own mats along the way.

Yes, the Crafting bag is awesome and you should have it. But, you got to fork out for a subscription, which is still less than a movie ticket and popcorn.

max_only

Nestor wrote: »

Megabear wrote: »

You're right. No kids in Tamriel, how come I never noticed that?

All the Bosmer running around. They are short.

Bless your heart!

max_only

On topic: I hate to be that person but no. They've already devalued the Sub by introducing chapters and charging tons of crowns for items in the store to the point where you need to supplement Sub crowns with extra crown purchases in order to get some of the "most desirable" stuff. They seem to find new and exciting ways to make Subscribers mad so let's not give them any more ideas in this abusive relationship lol

I subscribe, but I'm a known masochist lol (Bosmer magNB tank anyone?)

Nutshotz

NO! you want the craft bag stop being lazy and sub like the rest of us!

MarbleQuiche

I've always had ESO+ and this is one part of it that I believe all players should have access to. It's not a convenience item, it's a vital part of the game if you craft. Prior to it being a thing, the motif and material count had gotten so out of hand that players were revolting.

It's got worse since then and, as has already been pointed out, the game isn't free to play. Everyone had to breach a paywall to play, and recent buyers were promised free, unhindered progress through the base game. As long as the craft bag is an ESO+ only thing, that's a lie. There should be a way for freeplay players to achieve it, or ZOS should change their advertising/move back to a sub only model.

It might seem weird for someone who has ESO+ to get upset about this, but I find the whole affair disgusting. It's marketing putting its nose into places it doesn't understand - game design. They may as well be kneecapping people for protection money.

coop500

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

NO! you want the craft bag stop being lazy and sub like the rest of us!

Has nothing to do with being lazy, if anything subbing is lazy if we are gonna be throwing the lazy card.

coop500

MarbleQuiche wrote: »

I've always had ESO+ and this is one part of it that I believe all players should have access to. It's not a convenience item, it's a vital part of the game if you craft. Prior to it being a thing, the motif and material count had gotten so out of hand that players were revolting.

It's got worse since then and, as has already been pointed out, the game isn't free to play. Everyone had to breach a paywall to play, and recent buyers were promised free, unhindered progress through the base game. As long as the craft bag is an ESO+ only thing, that's a lie. There should be a way for freeplay players to achieve it, or ZOS should change their advertising/move back to a sub only model.

It might seem weird for someone who has ESO+ to get upset about this, but I find the whole affair disgusting. It's marketing putting its nose into places it doesn't understand - game design. They may as well be kneecapping people for protection money.

Thank you very much for this, a very refeshing view and I agree wholeheartedly

Diabolus1989

If there was something similar to a craft bag for non-subscribers then I'm not sure I would've subscribed so readily.

As a non-subscriber I was constantly running out of space both on my character and in my bank - to the point where I would have to make alts to carry stuff. The shear number of crafting materials is incredibly high.

As a subscriber I honestly don't know what I would do with my craft bag. It's become less of a perk and more of a necessity.

Queo

This wont work. I like the idea and though it needed some polishing. but after i thought about it, it does not seem to work.
Here is why i think that:

"Why not simply increase bag size?"
The more i thought about it more it kept going back to that.


I do get the "helps keep organized part". I think the better solution might be the ability to select multiple list tabs like Gear, food and Potions. So you dont have to tab surf or be assaulted with all the items in your bank/bag.

Axoinus

lol. nope.

Stania

Unless ESO+ members get a very good reward to compensate this, no.