Stop asking for nerfs please. Skill up man!

FloppyTouch

Skill up they should just add a set that has a 50% chance to kill someone wearing a proc set if any damage done or received that way we have counter play to them right?

Denyiir

Nerf sorc

Morgul667

There's always going to be something on your death recap. Dont ask to nerf it , cause it killed you (skills, sets, ultimates, candies, whatever)

Banana

I think theyve started nerfing the server. Because its *** at the moment

Coilbox

bubbygink wrote: »

Coilbox wrote: »

I've been using these 'cancer' builds for a time to try, and even wearing 3 procsets, i found a lot of people that smashed my face on the mud once and again.

TBH I don't think I have seen a more ironic post on these forums than this THREE freaking proc-set using OP telling other people that they need to "skill up" Truly comical. Looks like somebody is afraid that they're about to start get manhandled once their proc-set crutches are nerfed. Sorry you won't be able to one-shot people with light attacks + procs anymore, looks like you're just going to have to "skill up man."

If you read carefully, i said i 'tried' these procsets for a time, im not defending them, nor i am worried about them being nerfed, cause they are not my crutches. Since I dont use them.
What i was saying was that even wearing the triple proc-set build, some people managed to make me bite the dust, so the problem are not the proc sets, but the skill. If someone can, you can.

But you know the difference? some people invest the time on crying on the forums, some others invest it on learning how to counter them. That was my point, stop being a whiner and skill up, it's not that hard.

I 'skilled up' long time ago, thanks

GreenhaloX

Only if nerfing doesn't affect PvE so much. Most, if not all, those calling for class/skills to be nerfed are likely those in PvP who probably keep getting their arses handed to them from another players/class toons. Got it.. many like PvP, and yes, there are cheating and exploits going about in PvP. So, many will feel disadvantaged when others cheat to get one up; probably causing the crying out for nerfing. The thing is.. every time something gets nerfed, it also directly affect PvE... and for those that have said and will come and say, "I don't care about PvE.. I only PvP." Well, good for you, but there are a lot of folks that only PvE and likely so more than those that just PvP. However, I'm not going to get into what is what better than what or my *beep* is bigger than your trivial type childish argument.

Nerfing has affected PvE quite ridiculously; particularly those that came with Morrowind patch. Hey, I like the challenge and it's not such a breeze anymore going sololy against world bosses and dungeons. However, you're getting hit now with damages ranging from 5k, 8k, upwards to 12k and close to 20k. Those who are not buffed up with food to get in the upper teens of hp are getting killed by 2 or 3 shots and even getting one-shot killed, at times. Heck, even those adds and bosses at dolmens are putting out more juices. If you mess up and forget to throw on your shield or health regen, you can see your deathcap with 4k, 5k, 7k, and 12k shots from dolmen bosses.. damn! I'm even seeing more sorcs getting wiped and reviving just at dolmens and world bosses fight. At times, (sololy) even at a dolmen, it seems like it's comparable to a vet dungeon.

I would be for nerfing if it only have an impact to balance PvP; however, it has been a crying shame what nerfing has done to toons/class/skills in PvE. It should be criminal.. and still, folks are crying out for more nerfing. Ridiculous!

Jamascus

bubbygink wrote: »

Coilbox wrote: »

I've been using these 'cancer' builds for a time to try, and even wearing 3 procsets, i found a lot of people that smashed my face on the mud once and again.

TBH I don't think I have seen a more ironic post on these forums than this THREE freaking proc-set using OP telling other people that they need to "skill up" Truly comical. Looks like somebody is afraid that they're about to start get manhandled once their proc-set crutches are nerfed. Sorry you won't be able to one-shot people with light attacks + procs anymore, looks like you're just going to have to "skill up man."

This

Jamascus

Dekeon wrote: »

The only winning move is not to play

Global thermonuclear war

Mayrael

Coilbox wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Saying to skill up yet defending proc sets as they are. Talk about oxymoron.

Im not sad, nor i am defending proc sets. L2read. Only thing you got right is the 'skill up' part, thats something at least.

You see... We should not generalize. Yes, calling for nerfs in most of the situations is bad and tbh I personally hate nerf threads as almost every mechanic in this game has counters. Kiting - snares and roots. Healing - defile and resource drain. Poisons and some other debuff stuff - purge/ritual. Tanks - oblivion damage, penetration, unblockable CCs etc. etc. BUT there are some mechanics that cant be countered in active way and need to be tuned down a bit - proc sets. In the past we had some OP skills like elusive mist, reflective scales, bolt escape - those skills was very powerfull and hard to counter but thanks to changes now are still very useful bot not OP. Nerfs used wisely are good and needed, but what we can see most of the time is this scenario:

PvE guy walks first time into Cyrodiil with his "perfect" build, eats his first in a life time combo from other player, then eats jesus beam/furry/wrath/EoTS and thinks "no! my build is perfect! this ***** is OP, it needs to be nerfed!"

No! Nerfs but also buffs shouldnt be imposed by the majority - it should be studied well by the team and then treated properly.

laksikus

Coilbox wrote: »

People will always find ways to trick and tweak the combat to find some advantage wherever they can find it (sets, poisons, skills, etc)... And people will always cry 'nerf this' or 'nerf that' instead of finding a way to counter it.

I've seen thousands of CRYING threads about procsets, people calling these sets cancer and stupid terms like that. I've been using these 'cancer' builds for a time to try, and even wearing 3 procsets, i found a lot of people that smashed my face on the mud once and again... so yeah... There is still room for skill.
Well, these sets will be gone in the next patch due to the constant whine of lazy players. I just saw another thread talking about how poisons will ruin the game (again...) My god, has this game ever stopped getting ruined? xD. But guess what, even if ZOS get rid of poisons, people will find something else after them, no matter what, cause there are thousands of options.

If it would be up to some of them, this game would never stop getting nerfed patch after patch.

Yeah, sometimes I get mad when someone kills me and i cant even react... but there is nothing bad about it, have a look at what killed you, learn and get better. Invest some time on it.

Getting killed doesnt mean that the game is 'unbalanced'.

If you failed to kill people with 3 proc sets, its you that needs to l2p ^^

Nutshotz

OP is right, yes proc sets are on the advantage side for extra burst but you also leave yourself vulnerable to other area's. Most proctards I've ran into wearing viper,selene,red mountain rely on that initial burst from all 3 sets, so if they can't burst you down, and you turn the tides the glorified rage tells from the proctards are infamous!

Now as for the nerfs, I find the only nerfs needed was making monster sets have a visual indicator. half the time I didn't see the damn bear just heard it.

MehrunesFlagon

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Until sorcs are nerfed into the ground and the other classes finally get a chance to shine I will never stop.

Stop anyway. I want my sorcto be OP.

R4TTIUS

Why can't people just get over the fact that everyone dies in PVP, I can run pve and barely die i can run for a few days a week without one death, unless in vet dungeons really or occasional lack of concentration on my part, but in PvP I prob die 4 times an hour but I don't care just get up and fight again.


If anything should be nerfed it's burning talons lmao (solely because I [snip] hate it lol)

[Edited to remove profanity]

MehrunesFlagon

R4TTIUS wrote: »

Why can't people just get over the fact that everyone dies in PVP, I can run pve and barely die i can run for a few days a week without one death, unless in vet dungeons really or occasional lack of concentration on my part, but in PvP I prob die 4 times an hour but I don't care just get up and fight again.


If anything should be nerfed it's burning talons lmao (solely because I [snip] hate it lol)

Careful with that one though.Need to do it in a way that doesn't effect pve.Give it the streak treatment.

[Edited for quote]

Coilbox

laksikus wrote: »

Coilbox wrote: »

People will always find ways to trick and tweak the combat to find some advantage wherever they can find it (sets, poisons, skills, etc)... And people will always cry 'nerf this' or 'nerf that' instead of finding a way to counter it.

I've seen thousands of CRYING threads about procsets, people calling these sets cancer and stupid terms like that. I've been using these 'cancer' builds for a time to try, and even wearing 3 procsets, i found a lot of people that smashed my face on the mud once and again... so yeah... There is still room for skill.
Well, these sets will be gone in the next patch due to the constant whine of lazy players. I just saw another thread talking about how poisons will ruin the game (again...) My god, has this game ever stopped getting ruined? xD. But guess what, even if ZOS get rid of poisons, people will find something else after them, no matter what, cause there are thousands of options.

If it would be up to some of them, this game would never stop getting nerfed patch after patch.

Yeah, sometimes I get mad when someone kills me and i cant even react... but there is nothing bad about it, have a look at what killed you, learn and get better. Invest some time on it.

Getting killed doesnt mean that the game is 'unbalanced'.

If you failed to kill people with 3 proc sets, its you that needs to l2p ^^

Even you, super amazing pro pvp'er, are not able to kill everyone you have an encounter with, wearing whatever sets that you want. Because as I said, there is still room for skill.
My point was explained clear enough even for the little bit short minds. You might want to have a look to that mate

linoge63

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Only if nerfing doesn't affect PvE so much. Most, if not all, those calling for class/skills to be nerfed are likely those in PvP who probably keep getting their arses handed to them from another players/class toons. Got it.. many like PvP, and yes, there are cheating and exploits going about in PvP. So, many will feel disadvantaged when others cheat to get one up; probably causing the crying out for nerfing. The thing is.. every time something gets nerfed, it also directly affect PvE... and for those that have said and will come and say, "I don't care about PvE.. I only PvP." Well, good for you, but there are a lot of folks that only PvE and likely so more than those that just PvP. However, I'm not going to get into what is what better than what or my *beep* is bigger than your trivial type childish argument.

Nerfing has affected PvE quite ridiculously; particularly those that came with Morrowind patch. Hey, I like the challenge and it's not such a breeze anymore going sololy against world bosses and dungeons. However, you're getting hit now with damages ranging from 5k, 8k, upwards to 12k and close to 20k. Those who are not buffed up with food to get in the upper teens of hp are getting killed by 2 or 3 shots and even getting one-shot killed, at times. Heck, even those adds and bosses at dolmens are putting out more juices. If you mess up and forget to throw on your shield or health regen, you can see your deathcap with 4k, 5k, 7k, and 12k shots from dolmen bosses.. damn! I'm even seeing more sorcs getting wiped and reviving just at dolmens and world bosses fight. At times, (sololy) even at a dolmen, it seems like it's comparable to a vet dungeon.

I would be for nerfing if it only have an impact to balance PvP; however, it has been a crying shame what nerfing has done to toons/class/skills in PvE. It should be criminal.. and still, folks are crying out for more nerfing. Ridiculous!

Well said comrade

Grabmoore

Coilbox wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Coilbox wrote: »

People will always find ways to trick and tweak the combat to find some advantage wherever they can find it (sets, poisons, skills, etc)... And people will always cry 'nerf this' or 'nerf that' instead of finding a way to counter it.

I've seen thousands of CRYING threads about procsets, people calling these sets cancer and stupid terms like that. I've been using these 'cancer' builds for a time to try, and even wearing 3 procsets, i found a lot of people that smashed my face on the mud once and again... so yeah... There is still room for skill.
Well, these sets will be gone in the next patch due to the constant whine of lazy players. I just saw another thread talking about how poisons will ruin the game (again...) My god, has this game ever stopped getting ruined? xD. But guess what, even if ZOS get rid of poisons, people will find something else after them, no matter what, cause there are thousands of options.

If it would be up to some of them, this game would never stop getting nerfed patch after patch.

Yeah, sometimes I get mad when someone kills me and i cant even react... but there is nothing bad about it, have a look at what killed you, learn and get better. Invest some time on it.

Getting killed doesnt mean that the game is 'unbalanced'.

If you failed to kill people with 3 proc sets, its you that needs to l2p ^^

Even you, super amazing pro pvp'er, are not able to kill everyone you have an encounter with, wearing whatever sets that you want. Because as I said, there is still room for skill.
My point was explained clear enough even for the little bit short minds. You might want to have a look to that mate

First page and you are already going for ad hominem insults instead of valid arguments? Tells much...

The thing we - the people that actually care dir balance- critisize is that proc set give too much for the skill slot invested. How is it balanced that selene provides like 3x the damage of f.e. surprise attack? Why a magicka class has to invest haöd their stamina just because one tremor proc?

You know, I like competition, I like carrying new players through raids and vCoS, I like to Best vma on all classes and then farming in a non sorc non nb class, I even like being 10 vs 25 in open cyrodiil. But I only like it because most of this happens in a fair environment. Those 25 players might be pugs and those 10 have Communication going and so on.

You however are lazy and don't play with honour imo, if you rely on cheese. That doesn't teach you anything. Its lame.

Drdeath20

The sign of a good game developer is how often theg make adjustments for balance.


Sorcs need a "buff" like how templars have gotten

Coilbox

Grabmoore wrote: »

Coilbox wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Coilbox wrote: »

People will always find ways to trick and tweak the combat to find some advantage wherever they can find it (sets, poisons, skills, etc)... And people will always cry 'nerf this' or 'nerf that' instead of finding a way to counter it.

I've seen thousands of CRYING threads about procsets, people calling these sets cancer and stupid terms like that. I've been using these 'cancer' builds for a time to try, and even wearing 3 procsets, i found a lot of people that smashed my face on the mud once and again... so yeah... There is still room for skill.
Well, these sets will be gone in the next patch due to the constant whine of lazy players. I just saw another thread talking about how poisons will ruin the game (again...) My god, has this game ever stopped getting ruined? xD. But guess what, even if ZOS get rid of poisons, people will find something else after them, no matter what, cause there are thousands of options.

If it would be up to some of them, this game would never stop getting nerfed patch after patch.

Yeah, sometimes I get mad when someone kills me and i cant even react... but there is nothing bad about it, have a look at what killed you, learn and get better. Invest some time on it.

Getting killed doesnt mean that the game is 'unbalanced'.

If you failed to kill people with 3 proc sets, its you that needs to l2p ^^

Even you, super amazing pro pvp'er, are not able to kill everyone you have an encounter with, wearing whatever sets that you want. Because as I said, there is still room for skill.
My point was explained clear enough even for the little bit short minds. You might want to have a look to that mate

First page and you are already going for ad hominem insults instead of valid arguments? Tells much...

The thing we - the people that actually care dir balance- critisize is that proc set give too much for the skill slot invested. How is it balanced that selene provides like 3x the damage of f.e. surprise attack? Why a magicka class has to invest haöd their stamina just because one tremor proc?

You know, I like competition, I like carrying new players through raids and vCoS, I like to Best vma on all classes and then farming in a non sorc non nb class, I even like being 10 vs 25 in open cyrodiil. But I only like it because most of this happens in a fair environment. Those 25 players might be pugs and those 10 have Communication going and so on.

You however are lazy and don't play with honour imo, if you rely on cheese. That doesn't teach you anything. Its lame.

Then again, Im not defending proc sets, and i dont use proc sets, i actually rarely PVP, and when I do, i dont use them, i think i've said it a thousand times. My point was that skilled players dont care about them, cause they know how to counter them easily after investing some time on skilling up instead of just coming to the forums and cry for a nerf.

Also, i was not insulting anyone. I tried giving some arguments, and i recognise that i have seen some threads of people giving valid arguments about balance. But my post was not about those.

I, however am lazy and play without honour in your opinion, even when you dont know how i play...

Fair enough. Im done. This was my last post trying to explain myself.

Rikkof

OP, are you implying that viper+other proc sets+poisons= skill?
Are you?
DUDE, THE PANTS YOU ARE WEARING ARE DOING THE DAMAGE FOR YOU, NOT YOUR SKILLS.....

Jerkling

Coilbox wrote:

[...] Fair enough. Im done. This was my last post trying to explain myself.

don't bother, pal. find comfort in the fact that 90% of the ppl posting here did not actually understand your op...

Aisle9

wait... this thread wasn't ironic ?

Aww, man