Veteran PvP sorc build

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

How do you all feel about necropotence + amberplasm?

I dont run a pet in cyro, so for me it's a non-starter. That said, I think the stats would be pretty impressive if you run a pet and dont mind dropping a monster set. You would also need to buy necro weapons unless you wanted to go 7 light armor (i prefer 5/1/1, mostly for the health and stam).

I rely an pirate skeleton for both the raw resist bonuses and the fact that the proc has saved me more times than I care to admit. Even with 2 shields, I play a pretty glass-cannon style build with 5 light armor. Pirate Skeleton is like putting on a set of heavy armor from a mitigation standpoint. Unlike DKs for example, sorcs dont need a monster set for burst or to finish off opponents. It also allows me to devote more of my bar and rotation to setting up burst combos. If you have Pirate Skeleton, it's not the end of the world if your shields drop for a bit or you get caught out of position when the enemy zerg changes course.

Honestly, it all comes down to play style. I like to snipe on my sorc, and pets just arent great for that. I am trying to land 3-4 skills on you from 20 meters away before you knew what hit you and move on to the next guy. If you are looking for a shield stacking pet build, I think that combo would be pretty powerful, but pets are more about sustained pressure than burst.

The 300 magic regen from Amberplasm + the attro mundus is more than enough sustain for me. The 300 stamina regen with tri stat food means you can basically use Dark Conversion to get full on resources in 2-3 casts if you pop a tri-pot, even if all your resources are completely spent.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
You use dark conversion on mag sorc in Pvp? Isn't that suicidle?
Especially using precious stamina?

@Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Not with high stam regen its not. It's one reason amber plasm is so good on sorcs. I dont use it while getting hammered on, but it really is amazing how fast you can recover from being completely empty. I keep it on my overload bar. I usually back bar elusive mist (I think it's a better escape tool than streak). If I am in a bad spot, I cast mist and position to block line of site. While my mist is active, I hit my ultimate. As long as you just press it once, it will immediately active your overload bar when mist expires. It then goes, tri-pot (or better yet a health, stam, imov pot), shield, 2-3 dark deal spams and you are 100% full on magic and health, and prob 80% on stam. As long as I can break line of sight for 3-4 seconds, I am back in the fight at 100%.

I do run Streak on my overload bar if I need to cover ground. I think Mist is better from getting out of a dangerous spot, and streak is better for flat out retreating. I can cast 3 streaks followed by 2 dark conversions pretty much infinitely.

Ok thanks for your reply, do you consider it worth being vampire especially when against mag dks?

Betsararie

I had never taken my mag sorc into pvp before the event, but I tried to throw together an amateur(ish) build to get him a head start with AP.

I have been running 5 Amber plasm 4 lich with 2 pirate skelly. All impen. 2 heavy and 5 light.

I assume this is nowhere near meta, but I have been getting a lot of kills and survivability is decent. I was debating running 5x BSW which I also have in impen, but amberplasm seems to work better. Running tri food. Stats seem good.

I might do some experimenting with seducer in heavy, to see if it can improve surivivability.

Tonnopesce

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

How do you all feel about necropotence + amberplasm?

I dont run a pet in cyro, so for me it's a non-starter. That said, I think the stats would be pretty impressive if you run a pet and dont mind dropping a monster set. You would also need to buy necro weapons unless you wanted to go 7 light armor (i prefer 5/1/1, mostly for the health and stam).

I rely an pirate skeleton for both the raw resist bonuses and the fact that the proc has saved me more times than I care to admit. Even with 2 shields, I play a pretty glass-cannon style build with 5 light armor. Pirate Skeleton is like putting on a set of heavy armor from a mitigation standpoint. Unlike DKs for example, sorcs dont need a monster set for burst or to finish off opponents. It also allows me to devote more of my bar and rotation to setting up burst combos. If you have Pirate Skeleton, it's not the end of the world if your shields drop for a bit or you get caught out of position when the enemy zerg changes course.

Honestly, it all comes down to play style. I like to snipe on my sorc, and pets just arent great for that. I am trying to land 3-4 skills on you from 20 meters away before you knew what hit you and move on to the next guy. If you are looking for a shield stacking pet build, I think that combo would be pretty powerful, but pets are more about sustained pressure than burst.

The 300 magic regen from Amberplasm + the attro mundus is more than enough sustain for me. The 300 stamina regen with tri stat food means you can basically use Dark Conversion to get full on resources in 2-3 casts if you pop a tri-pot, even if all your resources are completely spent.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
You use dark conversion on mag sorc in Pvp? Isn't that suicidle?
Especially using precious stamina?

@Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Not with high stam regen its not. It's one reason amber plasm is so good on sorcs. I dont use it while getting hammered on, but it really is amazing how fast you can recover from being completely empty. I keep it on my overload bar. I usually back bar elusive mist (I think it's a better escape tool than streak). If I am in a bad spot, I cast mist and position to block line of site. While my mist is active, I hit my ultimate. As long as you just press it once, it will immediately active your overload bar when mist expires. It then goes, tri-pot (or better yet a health, stam, imov pot), shield, 2-3 dark deal spams and you are 100% full on magic and health, and prob 80% on stam. As long as I can break line of sight for 3-4 seconds, I am back in the fight at 100%.

I do run Streak on my overload bar if I need to cover ground. I think Mist is better from getting out of a dangerous spot, and streak is better for flat out retreating. I can cast 3 streaks followed by 2 dark conversions pretty much infinitely.

Ok thanks for your reply, do you consider it worth being vampire especially when against mag dks?

Mag dk's have to put a lot of pressure in order to do consistent damage one Streak and you already are away from theyr range, not much of an issue here

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Blanco wrote: »

I had never taken my mag sorc into pvp before the event, but I tried to throw together an amateur(ish) build to get him a head start with AP.

I have been running 5 Amber plasm 4 lich with 2 pirate skelly. All impen. 2 heavy and 5 light.

I assume this is nowhere near meta, but I have been getting a lot of kills and survivability is decent. I was debating running 5x BSW which I also have in impen, but amberplasm seems to work better. Running tri food. Stats seem good.

I might do some experimenting with seducer in heavy, to see if it can improve surivivability.

@Blanco
It's closer to meta than you think. If any set is meta on PVP sorcs, its probably amber plasm. I am running 5 AP, 4 Magnus, 2 Pirate until I can get all my perfect AP pieces so I can swap Magnus for willpower and VMA staffs. The only difference between our two current builds is that I have one more spell damage and you have one more recovery bonus. I like my way better personally because I find my sustain is more than adequate and magnus allows me to craft weapons in perfect traits. If you have perfect trait weapons of AP or Lich, I would keep on doing what you are doing. If not, I might suggest crafting something. IMO you are at a severe disadvantage if your dont have a sharp front bar and defending back bar. It's why I ultimately dropped my Spinner/Lich build. I could never get that damn defending lich resto to drop.

As for heavy seducer, it is certainly a viable option. As I said earlier, I like to snipe on my sorc. I want all the damage I can get. I try to keep up multiple shields at all times, so I get my survival that way. Am I as tanky as my mDK in full heavy? Nope, but I can still take a LOT of damage.

@Wrecking_Blow_Spam

My sorc has alwasy been vamp, but mostly for the PVE sustain. As I said early, I think that elusive mist is actually a better escape tool than streak if you are really getting pounded on. It reduces damage and you can maneuver much better to break line of sight. That skill is REALLY strong. Can you run streak instead? Sure. IMO streak is better used offensively to stun or to flat out retreat, i.e. turn and run with no thought of re-engaging. I always keep it on my overload bar. If I am trying to tactically re-position myself from a zerg push, something that happens often, I think mist is much better.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

I had never taken my mag sorc into pvp before the event, but I tried to throw together an amateur(ish) build to get him a head start with AP.

I have been running 5 Amber plasm 4 lich with 2 pirate skelly. All impen. 2 heavy and 5 light.

I assume this is nowhere near meta, but I have been getting a lot of kills and survivability is decent. I was debating running 5x BSW which I also have in impen, but amberplasm seems to work better. Running tri food. Stats seem good.

I might do some experimenting with seducer in heavy, to see if it can improve surivivability.

@Blanco
It's closer to meta than you think. If any set is meta on PVP sorcs, its probably amber plasm. I am running 5 AP, 4 Magnus, 2 Pirate until I can get all my perfect AP pieces so I can swap Magnus for willpower and VMA staffs. The only difference between our two current builds is that I have one more spell damage and you have one more recovery bonus. I like my way better personally because I find my sustain is more than adequate and magnus allows me to craft weapons in perfect traits. If you have perfect trait weapons of AP or Lich, I would keep on doing what you are doing. If not, I might suggest crafting something. IMO you are at a severe disadvantage if your dont have a sharp front bar and defending back bar. It's why I ultimately dropped my Spinner/Lich build. I could never get that damn defending lich resto to drop.

As for heavy seducer, it is certainly a viable option. As I said earlier, I like to snipe on my sorc. I want all the damage I can get. I try to keep up multiple shields at all times, so I get my survival that way. Am I as tanky as my mDK in full heavy? Nope, but I can still take a LOT of damage.

@Wrecking_Blow_Spam

My sorc has alwasy been vamp, but mostly for the PVE sustain. As I said early, I think that elusive mist is actually a better escape tool than streak if you are really getting pounded on. It reduces damage and you can maneuver much better to break line of sight. That skill is REALLY strong. Can you run streak instead? Sure. IMO streak is better used offensively to stun or to flat out retreat, i.e. turn and run with no thought of re-engaging. I always keep it on my overload bar. If I am trying to tactically re-position myself from a zerg push, something that happens often, I think mist is much better.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw

Cool thanks for your insight.

Bit off topic but what do you run on mag dk open world?
Thinking of:
5 seducer
5 sun
2 valkyn/blood spawn

I've also heard impregnable is very good (use sturdy).

Betsararie

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

I had never taken my mag sorc into pvp before the event, but I tried to throw together an amateur(ish) build to get him a head start with AP.

I have been running 5 Amber plasm 4 lich with 2 pirate skelly. All impen. 2 heavy and 5 light.

I assume this is nowhere near meta, but I have been getting a lot of kills and survivability is decent. I was debating running 5x BSW which I also have in impen, but amberplasm seems to work better. Running tri food. Stats seem good.

I might do some experimenting with seducer in heavy, to see if it can improve surivivability.

@Blanco
It's closer to meta than you think. If any set is meta on PVP sorcs, its probably amber plasm. I am running 5 AP, 4 Magnus, 2 Pirate until I can get all my perfect AP pieces so I can swap Magnus for willpower and VMA staffs. The only difference between our two current builds is that I have one more spell damage and you have one more recovery bonus. I like my way better personally because I find my sustain is more than adequate and magnus allows me to craft weapons in perfect traits. If you have perfect trait weapons of AP or Lich, I would keep on doing what you are doing. If not, I might suggest crafting something. IMO you are at a severe disadvantage if your dont have a sharp front bar and defending back bar. It's why I ultimately dropped my Spinner/Lich build. I could never get that damn defending lich resto to drop.

As for heavy seducer, it is certainly a viable option. As I said earlier, I like to snipe on my sorc. I want all the damage I can get. I try to keep up multiple shields at all times, so I get my survival that way. Am I as tanky as my mDK in full heavy? Nope, but I can still take a LOT of damage.

Right now am running sharpened lich inferno on front bar, precise lich resto on back bar, which is pretty much worthless.

I am going to have to do into CoH and grind for the defending resto, of course it will be very difficult to get. Have been wanting the defending lich resto very badly!

I played with the build more last night, it got very good results. I am running a shield stacking build that relies on burst damage to quickly get in and get the kill. Oftentimes will snipe some players out of a larger scale battle and pick up a couple kills that way, and then shield and streak away back to my teammates when everyone else realizes I'm there. Survivability is better than I thought, I routinely can survive 3-4 enemy players attacking me at a time in BGs, and I will just run/streak away while shielding until they give up on killing me.

If I find myself running low on mag, I'll just pop a dark conversion. I am running tri food so stamina is not as much of a problem, and the stam regen from amber plasm is noticeable. With tri food and amber plasm, I think dark conversion is a very effective choice. Magicka sustain is not at all an issue.

Since playing last night with very good results, I no longer see any need to move toward HA at this time. The shields are just so effective and I can escape nearly any fight if I want. Very fun build to play. I was happy that I had everything ready for it just sitting in my bank, just need that defending resto and it will be even harder to kill.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

I had never taken my mag sorc into pvp before the event, but I tried to throw together an amateur(ish) build to get him a head start with AP.

I have been running 5 Amber plasm 4 lich with 2 pirate skelly. All impen. 2 heavy and 5 light.

I assume this is nowhere near meta, but I have been getting a lot of kills and survivability is decent. I was debating running 5x BSW which I also have in impen, but amberplasm seems to work better. Running tri food. Stats seem good.

I might do some experimenting with seducer in heavy, to see if it can improve surivivability.

@Blanco
It's closer to meta than you think. If any set is meta on PVP sorcs, its probably amber plasm. I am running 5 AP, 4 Magnus, 2 Pirate until I can get all my perfect AP pieces so I can swap Magnus for willpower and VMA staffs. The only difference between our two current builds is that I have one more spell damage and you have one more recovery bonus. I like my way better personally because I find my sustain is more than adequate and magnus allows me to craft weapons in perfect traits. If you have perfect trait weapons of AP or Lich, I would keep on doing what you are doing. If not, I might suggest crafting something. IMO you are at a severe disadvantage if your dont have a sharp front bar and defending back bar. It's why I ultimately dropped my Spinner/Lich build. I could never get that damn defending lich resto to drop.

As for heavy seducer, it is certainly a viable option. As I said earlier, I like to snipe on my sorc. I want all the damage I can get. I try to keep up multiple shields at all times, so I get my survival that way. Am I as tanky as my mDK in full heavy? Nope, but I can still take a LOT of damage.

@Wrecking_Blow_Spam

My sorc has alwasy been vamp, but mostly for the PVE sustain. As I said early, I think that elusive mist is actually a better escape tool than streak if you are really getting pounded on. It reduces damage and you can maneuver much better to break line of sight. That skill is REALLY strong. Can you run streak instead? Sure. IMO streak is better used offensively to stun or to flat out retreat, i.e. turn and run with no thought of re-engaging. I always keep it on my overload bar. If I am trying to tactically re-position myself from a zerg push, something that happens often, I think mist is much better.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw

Cool thanks for your insight.

Bit off topic but what do you run on mag dk open world?
Thinking of:
5 seducer
5 sun
2 valkyn/blood spawn

I've also heard impregnable is very good (use sturdy).

@Wrecking_Blow_Spam
I really dont change my gear if I am solo. I typically slot an extra shield, and sometimes slot mines to help if I get into a duel or 1v2-3. I dont claim to be a 1vXer that is going to take on 8 people at once. One reason I love sorc so much is that its much easier to test the waters of a fight and dip out if it was a bad choice. My mDK is much tankier, but when you engage, it's win or die on that toon. I might give heavy seducer a try at some point, but it would just be for fun. I just dont see the need for heavy armor on a sorc.

Blanco wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

I had never taken my mag sorc into pvp before the event, but I tried to throw together an amateur(ish) build to get him a head start with AP.

I have been running 5 Amber plasm 4 lich with 2 pirate skelly. All impen. 2 heavy and 5 light.

I assume this is nowhere near meta, but I have been getting a lot of kills and survivability is decent. I was debating running 5x BSW which I also have in impen, but amberplasm seems to work better. Running tri food. Stats seem good.

I might do some experimenting with seducer in heavy, to see if it can improve surivivability.

@Blanco
It's closer to meta than you think. If any set is meta on PVP sorcs, its probably amber plasm. I am running 5 AP, 4 Magnus, 2 Pirate until I can get all my perfect AP pieces so I can swap Magnus for willpower and VMA staffs. The only difference between our two current builds is that I have one more spell damage and you have one more recovery bonus. I like my way better personally because I find my sustain is more than adequate and magnus allows me to craft weapons in perfect traits. If you have perfect trait weapons of AP or Lich, I would keep on doing what you are doing. If not, I might suggest crafting something. IMO you are at a severe disadvantage if your dont have a sharp front bar and defending back bar. It's why I ultimately dropped my Spinner/Lich build. I could never get that damn defending lich resto to drop.

As for heavy seducer, it is certainly a viable option. As I said earlier, I like to snipe on my sorc. I want all the damage I can get. I try to keep up multiple shields at all times, so I get my survival that way. Am I as tanky as my mDK in full heavy? Nope, but I can still take a LOT of damage.

Right now am running sharpened lich inferno on front bar, precise lich resto on back bar, which is pretty much worthless.

I am going to have to do into CoH and grind for the defending resto, of course it will be very difficult to get. Have been wanting the defending lich resto very badly!

I played with the build more last night, it got very good results. I am running a shield stacking build that relies on burst damage to quickly get in and get the kill. Oftentimes will snipe some players out of a larger scale battle and pick up a couple kills that way, and then shield and streak away back to my teammates when everyone else realizes I'm there. Survivability is better than I thought, I routinely can survive 3-4 enemy players attacking me at a time in BGs, and I will just run/streak away while shielding until they give up on killing me.

If I find myself running low on mag, I'll just pop a dark conversion. I am running tri food so stamina is not as much of a problem, and the stam regen from amber plasm is noticeable. With tri food and amber plasm, I think dark conversion is a very effective choice. Magicka sustain is not at all an issue.

Since playing last night with very good results, I no longer see any need to move toward HA at this time. The shields are just so effective and I can escape nearly any fight if I want. Very fun build to play. I was happy that I had everything ready for it just sitting in my bank, just need that defending resto and it will be even harder to kill.

@Blanco
Yeah, Like I said, I came from running Spinner/Lich. My Resto staff was decisive, which was certainly not Ideal. I ended up farming the rest of my amber plasm. I am running 5 Amber, 3 willpower, VMA Destro/Resto (sharp/defending) and 2 pirate skeleton. I will go out on a limb and say that its more than a touch better better, it's very noticeable. I really dont need dark conversion very often, but even so, the extra stam regen is really nice. I am able to go with three spell damage glyphs, and still sustain just fine.

Spinner might become a better option next patch with the sharp nerf, but right now, I dont think its the best choice. Obviously, it still works very well. I am just not going to grind weapons in this game outside a trial. It's too painful, and I think a back bar defending staff is really important.

Edit: One thing to consider is that you dont penetrate (spinners) against shields. Almost any magic build is going to have some kind of shield up most of the time.