Veteran PvP sorc build

Libonotus

I know about shields and skills etc. Just wanna know what armour to use in Vet PvP

seedubsrun

I like to use 5 Shacklebreaker+ 5 lich and 5 Spinners+ 5 Lich for most of my play. I've heard 5 amberplasm is really great too

Libonotus

seedubsrun wrote: »

I like to use 5 Shacklebreaker+ 5 lich and 5 Spinners+ 5 Lich for most of my play. I've heard 5 amberplasm is really great too

No monster set?

Biro123

I mostly use 5 shackle/5 necro - no monster set.

I think its all gonna change next patch though with the whole oblivion damage thing.

Libonotus

Biro123 wrote: »

I mostly use 5 shackle/5 necro - no monster set.

I think its all gonna change next patch though with the whole oblivion damage thing.

Y necro tho unless you have a pet

seedubsrun

Libonotus wrote: »

seedubsrun wrote: »

I like to use 5 Shacklebreaker+ 5 lich and 5 Spinners+ 5 Lich for most of my play. I've heard 5 amberplasm is really great too

No monster set?

With Spinner+Lich I'll use Infernal Guardian since shields get cast so often, it procs a ton. If I'm running with big groups I'll use Grothdar with a zerg buster type ability setup. With my Shacklebreaker I just run a 1 piece Molag Kena. This is because with Spinner I run 4 armor and front bar staff and lich is 1 armor, 3 jewelry, back bar resto staff but with Shacklebreaker you want the 5 piece active all the time so 5 armor and random or Maelstrom front bar staff, Lich set up like the spinner build. Hopefully that made sense.

sParkSnare

Although I'm certainly not a PvP expert, my magsorc is pretty happy with 5 Spinner's/5 Julianos/master inferno staff. Additionally, many (most?) PvP vets suggest that having at least 3 - 5 impen pieces can be as important as the sets themselves - especially if your sorc doesn't have 100% uptime on strong shields.

Voxicity

As long as you run resto ult, can't really go wrong

brandonv516

5 Wizards Reposte, 5 Lich, 2 Bone Pirate

Biro123

Libonotus wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

I mostly use 5 shackle/5 necro - no monster set.

I think its all gonna change next patch though with the whole oblivion damage thing.

Y necro tho unless you have a pet

I think you just answered your own question

Lord_Eomer

Biro123 wrote: »

Libonotus wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

I mostly use 5 shackle/5 necro - no monster set.

I think its all gonna change next patch though with the whole oblivion damage thing.

Y necro tho unless you have a pet

I think you just answered your own question

Pets not work well in pvp!

brandonv516

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Libonotus wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

I mostly use 5 shackle/5 necro - no monster set.

I think its all gonna change next patch though with the whole oblivion damage thing.

Y necro tho unless you have a pet

I think you just answered your own question

Pets not work well in pvp!

The twilight actually works quite well. You just have to remember a few things:

Make sure it's summoned (I've been known to run into battle making this mistake lol).
Make sure you have Hardened Ward slotted (shields pet too).
Make sure you keep your pet healed out of combat (think this is a bug that it doesn't regen HP).

Having a pet summoned provides a nice chunk of health to you and it also benefits from the Necropotence set.

seedubsrun

brandonv516 wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Libonotus wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

I mostly use 5 shackle/5 necro - no monster set.

I think its all gonna change next patch though with the whole oblivion damage thing.

Y necro tho unless you have a pet

I think you just answered your own question

Pets not work well in pvp!

The twilight actually works quite well. You just have to remember a few things:

Make sure it's summoned (I've been known to run into battle making this mistake lol).
Make sure you have Hardened Ward slotted (shields pet too).
Make sure you keep your pet healed out of combat (think this is a bug that it doesn't regen HP).

Having a pet summoned provides a nice chunk of health to you and it also benefits from the Necropotence set.

The not healing out of combat was intended but I believe has been reverted on all platforms now

Biro123

brandonv516 wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Libonotus wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

I mostly use 5 shackle/5 necro - no monster set.

I think its all gonna change next patch though with the whole oblivion damage thing.

Y necro tho unless you have a pet

I think you just answered your own question

Pets not work well in pvp!

The twilight actually works quite well. You just have to remember a few things:

Make sure it's summoned (I've been known to run into battle making this mistake lol).
Make sure you have Hardened Ward slotted (shields pet too).
Make sure you keep your pet healed out of combat (think this is a bug that it doesn't regen HP).

Having a pet summoned provides a nice chunk of health to you and it also benefits from the Necropotence set.

And keep it on passive on anything other than a 1v1

WuffyCerulei

I run 2 Infernal Guardian, 5 Lich (5 with resto staff), and 5 Julianos (5 on destro staff).

Koolio

I run 5 lich front bar 5 eyes of Mara back bar with ice heart.

Grabmoore

brandonv516 wrote: »

5 Wizards Reposte, 5 Lich, 2 Bone Pirate

Bone Pirat doesn't proc through shields anymore. Better go slimecraw, Skoria or even Engine guardian.

geonsocal

5 pc impregnable, 2 pc grothdar, 4/5 pc spinners on my SnB...

that right - my magsorc rocks a shield

Ihatenightblades

seedubsrun wrote: »

I like to use 5 Shacklebreaker+ 5 lich and 5 Spinners+ 5 Lich for most of my play. I've heard 5 amberplasm is really great too

You should be good with this.

Plus amberplasm allows you to run the brew drink that increases recovery by 300 and max stats by 3400 and you will be fine with stamina because lf amber.

Whatever you do do not run scathing mage in pvp. ( it doesnt crit on shields which makes it never proc on magicka characters. )

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Libonotus wrote: »

seedubsrun wrote: »

I like to use 5 Shacklebreaker+ 5 lich and 5 Spinners+ 5 Lich for most of my play. I've heard 5 amberplasm is really great too

No monster set?

You do run a monster set. Probably the most classic sorc build right now is Spinner/Lich/Monster. Or more simply Damage Set/Sustain Set/Monster set (other sets definitely work). You set it yup so your front bar is a spinner destro staff and your back bar is a lich resto staff. Of course that means a fairly pricey front bar weapon and a bit of a grind for your back bar weapon. You really dont want lich on both bars anyway. Having it on your back bar always you to control the proc a bit. There is also really no reason to have the 5 piece of spinner on your back/defense bar, so it works really well. Then you just need 4 of each on your armor and jewelry and wear whatever monster set you like. I like pirate skeleton on my sorc.

brandonv516

@Biro123
We don't have any pet command options on console.

@Grabmoore
I had Pirate up a lot last night - pretty sure while shields were up too - maybe console is behind with this change?

seedubsrun

brandonv516 wrote: »

@Biro123
We don't have any pet command options on console.

@Grabmoore
I had Pirate up a lot last night - pretty sure while shields were up too - maybe console is behind with this change?

Yeah I use Pirate on my sorc still too sometimes and it procs a lot. It'll still proc on shields as long as some all of the damage taken isn't absorbed so if you have 13k left in your shield and you take a hit for 13,001 damage it still has the 8% chance to proc

Tasear

brandonv516 wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Libonotus wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

I mostly use 5 shackle/5 necro - no monster set.

I think its all gonna change next patch though with the whole oblivion damage thing.

Y necro tho unless you have a pet

I think you just answered your own question

Pets not work well in pvp!

The twilight actually works quite well. You just have to remember a few things:

Make sure it's summoned (I've been known to run into battle making this mistake lol).
Make sure you have Hardened Ward slotted (shields pet too).
Make sure you keep your pet healed out of combat (think this is a bug that it doesn't regen HP).

Having a pet summoned provides a nice chunk of health to you and it also benefits from the Necropotence set.

Regains hp now for pets

Oreyn_Bearclaw

So, I am fairly convinced that Amber Plasm is worth the grind after the PVP event this weekend. I have been running Spinner/Lich, but I believe that Amber Plasm is superior. I havent really been in Cyro since pre-morrowind and the sustain changes. Amber Plasm is just really strong. It was a touch less damage the way I was running it, but the sustain and specifically the stamina management is just so much better. Stamina is life in Cyro. The grind is frankly better than farming that perfect lich resto staff anyways. You shouldnt need Amber Plasm Weapons for either build.

From what I can tell, there is an easy and a hard way to do it.

Easy Way: Farm ROM for Jewelry and any two lower body pieces. The Jewelry only took me a few runs. You then can pair it with Magnus (3 Body pieces and Both Weapons). This is nice because you can pick your traits on the weapons (Crafted), and you can still pair it with your favorite monster set. Essentially, 5 Amber Plasm, 4 Magnus, 2 Monster.

Harder (Better) Way: You need to farm 5 lower body pieces, pref in Impen or maybe infused on the big ones. You then pair it with 3 Willpower and Maelstrom staves. Assuming you have the VMA weapons in ideal traits, you basically sacrifice 129 magic recovery for 484 magic, and 253 Spell Damage (assuming your front bar poisons with both sets). If you dont want to sacrifice the regen, you could swap a jewelry enchant and still come out ahead. Whether that grind is worth it is a judgement call. Since I have the VMA staffs, I am gonna go for it this week. You end up with 5 Amber Plasm, 3 willpower, 1 VMA. Rember that when you run poisons on VMA staffs, you still get the 189 spell damage. If you dont have a sharp VMA Destro and defending Resto, I wouldnt even bother with the hard way.

I had read lots of people talking about how strong amber plasm was, but I didnt believe it until I finally went all on on the first method and gave it a go.

Thogard

How do you all feel about necropotence + amberplasm?

Tonnopesce

Warmaiden + necropotence or spinner + magnus
The last slot is for a +max magika 1 pcs
monster set
Restro/destro standard skills

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Thogard wrote: »

How do you all feel about necropotence + amberplasm?

I dont run a pet in cyro, so for me it's a non-starter. That said, I think the stats would be pretty impressive if you run a pet and dont mind dropping a monster set. You would also need to buy necro weapons unless you wanted to go 7 light armor (i prefer 5/1/1, mostly for the health and stam).

I rely an pirate skeleton for both the raw resist bonuses and the fact that the proc has saved me more times than I care to admit. Even with 2 shields, I play a pretty glass-cannon style build with 5 light armor. Pirate Skeleton is like putting on a set of heavy armor from a mitigation standpoint. Unlike DKs for example, sorcs dont need a monster set for burst or to finish off opponents. It also allows me to devote more of my bar and rotation to setting up burst combos. If you have Pirate Skeleton, it's not the end of the world if your shields drop for a bit or you get caught out of position when the enemy zerg changes course.

Honestly, it all comes down to play style. I like to snipe on my sorc, and pets just arent great for that. I am trying to land 3-4 skills on you from 20 meters away before you knew what hit you and move on to the next guy. If you are looking for a shield stacking pet build, I think that combo would be pretty powerful, but pets are more about sustained pressure than burst.

The 300 magic regen from Amberplasm + the attro mundus is more than enough sustain for me. The 300 stamina regen with tri stat food means you can basically use Dark Conversion to get full on resources in 2-3 casts if you pop a tri-pot, even if all your resources are completely spent.

Bkella

Step 1: Put 2 swords on your front bar
Step 2: Commit murderous crimes

Izay

I've tried and liked both 5 Necro 5 Shackle 1 Ilambris and 5 Necro 2 Shadowrend 3 Grace of the Ancients. Looking to try 5 Necro 5 Twice Born 1 Ilambris next patch.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

How do you all feel about necropotence + amberplasm?

I dont run a pet in cyro, so for me it's a non-starter. That said, I think the stats would be pretty impressive if you run a pet and dont mind dropping a monster set. You would also need to buy necro weapons unless you wanted to go 7 light armor (i prefer 5/1/1, mostly for the health and stam).

I rely an pirate skeleton for both the raw resist bonuses and the fact that the proc has saved me more times than I care to admit. Even with 2 shields, I play a pretty glass-cannon style build with 5 light armor. Pirate Skeleton is like putting on a set of heavy armor from a mitigation standpoint. Unlike DKs for example, sorcs dont need a monster set for burst or to finish off opponents. It also allows me to devote more of my bar and rotation to setting up burst combos. If you have Pirate Skeleton, it's not the end of the world if your shields drop for a bit or you get caught out of position when the enemy zerg changes course.

Honestly, it all comes down to play style. I like to snipe on my sorc, and pets just arent great for that. I am trying to land 3-4 skills on you from 20 meters away before you knew what hit you and move on to the next guy. If you are looking for a shield stacking pet build, I think that combo would be pretty powerful, but pets are more about sustained pressure than burst.

The 300 magic regen from Amberplasm + the attro mundus is more than enough sustain for me. The 300 stamina regen with tri stat food means you can basically use Dark Conversion to get full on resources in 2-3 casts if you pop a tri-pot, even if all your resources are completely spent.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
You use dark conversion on mag sorc in Pvp? Isn't that suicidle?
Especially using precious stamina?

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

How do you all feel about necropotence + amberplasm?

I dont run a pet in cyro, so for me it's a non-starter. That said, I think the stats would be pretty impressive if you run a pet and dont mind dropping a monster set. You would also need to buy necro weapons unless you wanted to go 7 light armor (i prefer 5/1/1, mostly for the health and stam).

I rely an pirate skeleton for both the raw resist bonuses and the fact that the proc has saved me more times than I care to admit. Even with 2 shields, I play a pretty glass-cannon style build with 5 light armor. Pirate Skeleton is like putting on a set of heavy armor from a mitigation standpoint. Unlike DKs for example, sorcs dont need a monster set for burst or to finish off opponents. It also allows me to devote more of my bar and rotation to setting up burst combos. If you have Pirate Skeleton, it's not the end of the world if your shields drop for a bit or you get caught out of position when the enemy zerg changes course.

Honestly, it all comes down to play style. I like to snipe on my sorc, and pets just arent great for that. I am trying to land 3-4 skills on you from 20 meters away before you knew what hit you and move on to the next guy. If you are looking for a shield stacking pet build, I think that combo would be pretty powerful, but pets are more about sustained pressure than burst.

The 300 magic regen from Amberplasm + the attro mundus is more than enough sustain for me. The 300 stamina regen with tri stat food means you can basically use Dark Conversion to get full on resources in 2-3 casts if you pop a tri-pot, even if all your resources are completely spent.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
You use dark conversion on mag sorc in Pvp? Isn't that suicidle?
Especially using precious stamina?

@Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Not with high stam regen its not. It's one reason amber plasm is so good on sorcs. I dont use it while getting hammered on, but it really is amazing how fast you can recover from being completely empty. I keep it on my overload bar. I usually back bar elusive mist (I think it's a better escape tool than streak). If I am in a bad spot, I cast mist and position to block line of site. While my mist is active, I hit my ultimate. As long as you just press it once, it will immediately active your overload bar when mist expires. It then goes, tri-pot (or better yet a health, stam, imov pot), shield, 2-3 dark deal spams and you are 100% full on magic and health, and prob 80% on stam. As long as I can break line of sight for 3-4 seconds, I am back in the fight at 100%.

I do run Streak on my overload bar if I need to cover ground. I think Mist is better from getting out of a dangerous spot, and streak is better for flat out retreating. I can cast 3 streaks followed by 2 dark conversions pretty much infinitely.