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Why is Miats Hack, still around?

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  • Feanor
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    Yasha wrote: »
    I have it and I think it should be banned, its a cheat engine plain and simple.

    You very obviously have never seen a real cheat engine.
    Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:
    Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard Stamplar
    All chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.
  • leepalmer95
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    Console master race.
    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.

    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • Bakkagami
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    Don't use it mostly because I found the pop up more annoying than anything but tbh, the advantage it gives isn't a big deal, u can hear/see those attacks coming without it with just a bit of situational awareness. Also, if ZOS were to get rid of miats add-on, they'd have to do the same with raid notifier as that add-on does way more than miats. Imagine the backlash to that lol.
  • Dorrino
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    *lurks*
  • olivesforge
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    Miat's Salt Farm is open for Midyear Mayhem! I'd tell you to snipe from stealth but you already know that.
    PCNA | Aldmeri Dominion
    OlivesForge / Swiss Army Templar | Twink of Insanity / Gankblade | Olivesisnotonfire / Annoying Sorc | E. Angus / Magicka Pigeon-Thrower | K. Angus / Stamina Pigeon-Thrower
    Personage of note in:
    Dominant Dominion | Ethereal Traders Union | Knights of the Istari | CoC | Cyrodiil FG
  • DivinityDay
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    Sav72 wrote: »
    People still dodging attacks from hidden.....

    Because you need grow some and stop hiding..
    @AmariaNaria's chars:
    NA - PC
    Divinity Day Sorc DPS - AD
    Amaria Day DK TANK - AD WW
    Talia Shade NB BOW/DW - AD WW
    Amaria Naria NB 2H/DW - AD WW
    Kali Day Magplar - AD VAMP
    Dekaria Bombblade AD


  • cyx54tc
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    from what I heard this is what happened


    day 0: ppl complained about that addon
    day 1: ZOS said they will look into it
    day 2: ZOS made the official statement saying this is not intended and will fix it
    day 3: patch day, ZOS killed the addon by making enemy information not available to the addon
    day 4: PVPers happy
    day 5: PVEers complained
    day 6: ZOS reverted the change cuz they cant get the API to work in PVE while disabled in PVP. "WORKING AS INTENDED CONFIRMED!"
    Today: This

    Anyone remember similar timeline with animation canceling?
  • SirAndy
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    IronCrystal wrote: »
    Maybe your just bad/
    you're

    I highly doubt he owns bad ...
    rolleyes.gif
    Edited by SirAndy on July 18, 2017 5:21PM
  • DivinityDay
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    SirAndy wrote: »
    IronCrystal wrote: »
    Maybe your just bad/
    you're

    I highly doubt he owns bad ...
    rolleyes.gif

    No. Some people really have a "just bad".
    @AmariaNaria's chars:
    NA - PC
    Divinity Day Sorc DPS - AD
    Amaria Day DK TANK - AD WW
    Talia Shade NB BOW/DW - AD WW
    Amaria Naria NB 2H/DW - AD WW
    Kali Day Magplar - AD VAMP
    Dekaria Bombblade AD


  • cyx54tc
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    Sarato wrote: »
    It's available for you too

    cheat engine is available to everyone too. free to download free to use. lets everyone use it again :)
  • bloodthirstyvampire
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    Anybody using it is a complete scrub nugget
  • laksikus
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    Arthg wrote: »
    I can't land a crit charge on anyone PC EU: they all timely roll dodge (when I don't just get teleported in mid-air at the other end of the map and die to 33K fall damage).

    It's lame af.

    That doesn't have anything to do with miats.
    But with the snare you get if someone gapcloses you.
    It's easy as *** to dodge that
  • rustic_potato
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    As someone who writes my own addons I can say this If the API allows a piece of code to function then there is no reason that piece of code to be exploited to the fullest.. Almost all my addons are private and I use it to maximize my gaming experience. If you want you can write your own or use the ones that are publicly available. Same argument with animation cancelling. The game allows it hence I use it.
    I play how I want to.


  • bloodthirstyvampire
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    Its why console players are better we don't need no crutch\addon why because if you disabled it you would see my point, and are otherwise in denial
  • theher0not
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    frateanu.luiseb17_ESO wrote: »
    This is not a cheat . I am sure is only a l2p issue. Also , everyone could install this addon.

    everyone can get aimbots in shooters, so should it be allowed then?
    Edited by theher0not on July 18, 2017 6:03PM
  • Brutusmax1mus
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    Console ftw. Sure bash weaving is harder and bad for stam recovery, sure we can't realign ui features, but players who are good are 100%not carried by bs like this add on.
  • rustic_potato
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    theher0not wrote: »
    frateanu.luiseb17_ESO wrote: »
    This is not a cheat . I am sure is only a l2p issue. Also , everyone could install this addon.

    everyone can get aimbots in shooters, so should it be allowed then?

    If it is allowed by the game why not? If it is not then it shouldn't be.
    I play how I want to.


  • Ankael07
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    rustic_potato wrote: »
    As someone who writes my own addons I can say this If the API allows a piece of code to function then there is no reason that piece of code to be exploited to the fullest.. Almost all my addons are private and I use it to maximize my gaming experience. If you want you can write your own or use the ones that are publicly available. Same argument with animation cancelling. The game allows it hence I use it.

    The game also allows you to bring 20 of your friends from opposite faction and kill them over and over again for easy AP. Does that mean its healthy for the game?
    If you want me to reply to your comment type @Ankael07 in it.
  • Sylosi
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    rustic_potato wrote: »
    If the API allows a piece of code to function then there is no reason that piece of code to be exploited to the fullest.

    I believe criminals have the same view on things...
  • rustic_potato
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    Ankael07 wrote: »
    rustic_potato wrote: »
    As someone who writes my own addons I can say this If the API allows a piece of code to function then there is no reason that piece of code to be exploited to the fullest.. Almost all my addons are private and I use it to maximize my gaming experience. If you want you can write your own or use the ones that are publicly available. Same argument with animation cancelling. The game allows it hence I use it.

    The game also allows you to bring 20 of your friends from opposite faction and kill them over and over again for easy AP. Does that mean its healthy for the game?

    Personally all I care about is "Am I having fun?" If the answer is yes and if I'm within the rules/limits of the game nothing else matters.
    I play how I want to.


  • rimmidimdim
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    Yasha wrote: »
    I have it and I think it should be banned, its a cheat engine plain and simple.

    You can't ban miat's add on. Because there are people out there that have Thier own add ons and don't share them. So only change the API, otherwise only "edumacated" peeps have the sentient add ons.
  • rustic_potato
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    Sylosi wrote: »
    rustic_potato wrote: »
    If the API allows a piece of code to function then there is no reason that piece of code to be exploited to the fullest.

    I believe criminals have the same view on things...

    If the overarching rules allow the action does performing the action make you a criminal? I think you are confusing ethical vs legal? You can expect a person's actions to be within the legal limits but as far as ethical limits is concerned "nothing is fair" and everything is fair game.

    Use of the addon and other more game breaking addons is legal as long as the API allows it. If a player makes a conscious decision to not use the addon its his choice. He is adhering to his ethical standards. Doesn't mean everyone has to.
    I play how I want to.


  • Demycilian
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    My guess would be that ZOS has become disillusioned with their own game. Cant really think of any other reason why they would let cheater/hackers blatantly undermine the gameplay of legit players - most of whom have left at this point anyway.
  • Sylosi
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    rustic_potato wrote: »
    Sylosi wrote: »
    rustic_potato wrote: »
    If the API allows a piece of code to function then there is no reason that piece of code to be exploited to the fullest.

    I believe criminals have the same view on things...

    If the overarching rules allow the action does performing the action make you a criminal? I think you are confusing ethical vs legal? You can expect a person's actions to be within the legal limits but as far as ethical limits is concerned "nothing is fair" and everything is fair game.

    Use of the addon and other more game breaking addons is legal as long as the API allows it. If a player makes a conscious decision to not use the addon its his choice. He is adhering to his ethical standards. Doesn't mean everyone has to.

    I'm not confusing anything, my point wasn't about what was "legal", it was about the notion that there is no reason it should not be exploited to the full, there are plenty of reasons like it may be bad for the game, that is doing something that is impossible in the game so is effectively cheating, pride in one's gameplay, etc, now that you may ignore or find those reasons unimportant is up to you, but there are reasons nonetheless, just like there are reasons not to commit a crime beyond the fact that it is illegal.

    Edited by Sylosi on July 18, 2017 8:24PM
  • SanTii.92
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    Sylosi wrote: »
    rustic_potato wrote: »
    Sylosi wrote: »
    rustic_potato wrote: »
    If the API allows a piece of code to function then there is no reason that piece of code to be exploited to the fullest.

    I believe criminals have the same view on things...

    If the overarching rules allow the action does performing the action make you a criminal? I think you are confusing ethical vs legal? You can expect a person's actions to be within the legal limits but as far as ethical limits is concerned "nothing is fair" and everything is fair game.

    Use of the addon and other more game breaking addons is legal as long as the API allows it. If a player makes a conscious decision to not use the addon its his choice. He is adhering to his ethical standards. Doesn't mean everyone has to.

    I'm not confusing anything, my point wasn't about what was "legal", it was about the notion that there is no reason it should not be exploited to the full, there are plenty of reasons like it may be bad for the game, that is doing something that is impossible in the game so is effectively cheating, pride in one's gameplay, etc, now that you may ignore or find those reasons unimportant is up to you, but there are reasons nonetheless, just like there are reasons not to commit a crime beyond the fact that it is illegal.
    If ZoS allows it, it's not cheating. Simple, really.

    Second all those reasons that you may find morally reprehensible just does not apply to everyone. Me, for example, I use the add on cause I play on a low-ish end pc, and also from abroad. My ping averages, when lucky, at 250 making it really hard to notice and properly react to frags, and many other hard to visualize interactions.

    @Dorrino's addon allows me to fully develop my capabilities and for that I'm really thankful.
    Edited by SanTii.92 on July 18, 2017 8:56PM
    When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
    the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
    Arg | Pc Na | Factionless Mag Warden.
  • MakoFore
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    yeah not a fan. theres so many add ons now- players dont need to see what happening- just read the text "purge, heal, buff, cc break etc"
  • rustic_potato
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    Sylosi wrote: »
    rustic_potato wrote: »
    Sylosi wrote: »
    rustic_potato wrote: »
    If the API allows a piece of code to function then there is no reason that piece of code to be exploited to the fullest.

    I believe criminals have the same view on things...

    If the overarching rules allow the action does performing the action make you a criminal? I think you are confusing ethical vs legal? You can expect a person's actions to be within the legal limits but as far as ethical limits is concerned "nothing is fair" and everything is fair game.

    Use of the addon and other more game breaking addons is legal as long as the API allows it. If a player makes a conscious decision to not use the addon its his choice. He is adhering to his ethical standards. Doesn't mean everyone has to.

    I'm not confusing anything, my point wasn't about what was "legal", it was about the notion that there is no reason it should not be exploited to the full, there are plenty of reasons like it may be bad for the game, that is doing something that is impossible in the game so is effectively cheating, pride in one's gameplay, etc, now that you may ignore or find those reasons unimportant is up to you, but there are reasons nonetheless, just like there are reasons not to commit a crime beyond the fact that it is illegal.

    Unless ZOS openly states that using such addons is cheating and it is incapable of removing the use of such addons, it is not cheating from my ethical standpoint. It may differ from your view point but I honestly don't care what others think.
    I play how I want to.


  • Feanor
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    The need for addons would be less if the UI ZOS provides with the game wouldn't be so...minimalistic. Besides, I share Miat's view towards stealth. Doesn't mean you have to turn on the notification the addon provides. Everyone has a choice.
    Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:
    Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard Stamplar
    All chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.
  • IronCrystal
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    Wing wrote: »
    IronCrystal wrote: »
    Maybe your just bad/

    needs third party mod to inform them when enemies are around because they cannot be bothered to play better. . .

    . . .calls other people "bad"

    You don't know me.

    I don't pvp ever and I don't have miats. But there are plenty of players that are just bad and blame it on something other than lack of skill.
    Make PC NA raiding great again!

    Down with drama!

    What Mechanics Healer - Dro-m'Athra Destroyer

    Homestead Raid Scores
    vHRC 157,030
    vAA 138,287
    vSO 153,393
    vMoL 154,550

    Not raiding in Morrowind
  • leepalmer95
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    IronCrystal wrote: »
    Wing wrote: »
    IronCrystal wrote: »
    Maybe your just bad/

    needs third party mod to inform them when enemies are around because they cannot be bothered to play better. . .

    . . .calls other people "bad"

    You don't know me.

    I don't pvp ever and I don't have miats. But there are plenty of players that are just bad and blame it on something other than lack of skill.

    Lmao you don't pvp

    Or have the addon


    Why comment at all?
    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.

    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
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