Permanent CP Cap - What are your thoughts?

Maole1989

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap and NPC CP Vendor.

Katinas wrote: »

On EU server there is someone with 2k+ CP.

Wow! I wonder if he/she has some ideas of how they could be used...

Defilted

You can either continue to raise CP or you can raise the level cap. There must be end game progression.

bebynnag

No. I'm happy with the CP system as it is. There shouldn't be a permanent CP cap nor NPC CP Vendor.

Maole1989 wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

InFernalEntity wrote: »

I have an opposite opinion.

I think whilst everyone would have 3600 champion points allotted in to the same stars...I think it would increase actual build diversity.

Once characters can have both stamina and magicka recovery stars or both magic and physical damage stars pure stamina/magicka builds might dilute in to a variety of hybrid builds.

Imagine being a stam DK and using flame lash without it being awful?

There's a lot of potential for bar diversity. Though this is just my opinion and I could be totally wrong.

yep - im waiting for CP cap to increase to a point where a hybrid build is viable in PvP/endgame PvE

I too am looking forward to when hybrids can be viable. I'm just hoping something is implemented so that hybrids don't have to rely on CP alone. Whatever the case, making hybrids viable will open the door for players to explore and create fresh and interesting builds.

it would be nice if a hybrid didnt need to depend on CP to be viable on that point we can agree

but i still hate your idea of capping CP

and the introduction of a cp vendor is just meh
it not a reward for people over cap and not an incentive to those below cap to work towards exceeding cap

ADarklore

No. I'm happy with the CP system as it is. There shouldn't be a permanent CP cap nor NPC CP Vendor.

Considering how many hundreds of hours I've put into the game, I'm only just above 700 CP... at this rate reaching 3600 will take many many years. So no, we don't need a lower CP cap when we already have one at 3600.

STEVIL

No. There shouldn't be a permanent CP cap, but I think a NPC CP Vendor would be a great addition.

i think a cp vendor is a good idea but not if it provides anything close to bis gear or such.

it should provide gold or cosmetics and fluff otherwise it is a de-facto cp max raise just hiding the extra benefits in sets and the like.

Maole1989

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap and NPC CP Vendor.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Maole1989 wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

InFernalEntity wrote: »

I have an opposite opinion.

I think whilst everyone would have 3600 champion points allotted in to the same stars...I think it would increase actual build diversity.

Once characters can have both stamina and magicka recovery stars or both magic and physical damage stars pure stamina/magicka builds might dilute in to a variety of hybrid builds.

Imagine being a stam DK and using flame lash without it being awful?

There's a lot of potential for bar diversity. Though this is just my opinion and I could be totally wrong.

yep - im waiting for CP cap to increase to a point where a hybrid build is viable in PvP/endgame PvE

I too am looking forward to when hybrids can be viable. I'm just hoping something is implemented so that hybrids don't have to rely on CP alone. Whatever the case, making hybrids viable will open the door for players to explore and create fresh and interesting builds.

it would be nice if a hybrid didnt need to depend on CP to be viable on that point we can agree

but i still hate your idea of capping CP

and the introduction of a cp vendor is just meh
it not a reward for people over cap and not an incentive to those below cap to work towards exceeding cap

That's ok. At least we can agree to disagree. Thank you for contributing to the discussion and sharing your opinion.

Maole1989

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap and NPC CP Vendor.

Defilted wrote: »

You can either continue to raise CP or you can raise the level cap. There must be end game progression.

Great point! I believe end game progression is an integral part of keeping players interested in the game. If progression is no longer found through CP then raising character level would be a logical alternative.

method__01

No. I'm happy with the CP system as it is. There shouldn't be a permanent CP cap nor NPC CP Vendor.

just no,go earn your cp like the rest

WhoThenNow7

You should have added Yes CP cap but no NPC CP vendor; because that's what my vote is.

Skayaq

No. I'm happy with the CP system as it is. There shouldn't be a permanent CP cap nor NPC CP Vendor.

At the current rate of increasing the cap by 30 every major update(four times a year) it will take 25 years to reach the hard cap of 3600. I don't think It is worth worrying about that for now.

tunepunk

I think they need to invent new ways of spending champion points. Once you hit the limit of what you can spend in the CP skills, they could at least offer some other way of spending the ones that stack up after that.

Why not convert unspent champion points to something else? for those who already reached max that you can spend.

Maole1989

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap and NPC CP Vendor.

Skayaq wrote: »

At the current rate of increasing the cap by 30 every major update(four times a year) it will take 25 years to reach the hard cap of 3600. I don't think It is worth worrying about that for now.

Wow! When you think about the number of years it will take to reach 3,600 it certainly adds some perspective! If 3,600 is truly the future of the CP sytem, then it does seem trivial for me to worry about it now.

Perhaps I can add some insight as to why I created this poll. The following questions are questions I've asked myself and are not directed at you by any means. They simply serve to provide some background to my ideas.

If we were to fast foward 25 years and everyone was at 3,600 what would combat be like? If a new player started playing in 25 years how long would it take them to reach 3,600 in order to be competative? Would PVP be better if everyone is at maximum CP or would non-CP be more appealing at this stage? How would we achieve progression once we achieve the maximum CP possible? If a new system is to be introduced in 25 years, could that new system be introduced now?

Perhaps we could save ourselves some time by looking ahead and seeing whether this direction is really where we want to be heading in. If yes, then thats ok. If no, then what are some ideas that we can introduce?

Maole1989

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap and NPC CP Vendor.

WhoThenNow7 wrote: »

You should have added Yes CP cap but no NPC CP vendor; because that's what my vote is.

I apologise! I thought I had covered my bases but clearly I was wrong! Thanks for voting.

Maole1989

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap and NPC CP Vendor.

method__01 wrote: »

just no,go earn your cp like the rest

My aim wasn't to make it easier to earn CP but rather to provide a potential solution to (what I percieved to be) a potential problem. I also hoped that this solution would appeal to both old and new players alike.

I do appreciate you taking the time to vote though.

method__01

No. I'm happy with the CP system as it is. There shouldn't be a permanent CP cap nor NPC CP Vendor.

but,but,but this will happen (if ever) after 20+ years

as for new vs old players,this is happening to every new,why punish the ppl who play much by capping them?


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Maole1989

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap and NPC CP Vendor.

STEVIL wrote: »

i think a cp vendor is a good idea but not if it provides anything close to bis gear or such.

it should provide gold or cosmetics and fluff otherwise it is a de-facto cp max raise just hiding the extra benefits in sets and the like.

I agree that if a CP vendor is implemented it should be implemented in a way that doesn't create or add to BIS metas. I can get behind gold, cosmetics and fluff!

Thank you for your feedback and ideas!

Maole1989

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap and NPC CP Vendor.

method__01 wrote: »

but,but,but this will happen (if ever) after 20+ years

as for new vs old players,this is happening to every new,why punish the ppl who play much by capping them?


edit:typo

It's true. Regardless of whether the CP cap is 660 or 3,600 new players would still need to play a fair bit before catching up. That's the way it should be imo. I guess my concern is that 3,600 is such a big gap and only seems to delay the inevitable issues regarding a permanent CP cap. Your point is taken though.

Maole1989

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap and NPC CP Vendor.

tunepunk wrote: »

I think they need to invent new ways of spending champion points. Once you hit the limit of what you can spend in the CP skills, they could at least offer some other way of spending the ones that stack up after that.

Why not convert unspent champion points to something else? for those who already reached max that you can spend.

I completely agree. At least that way excess CP is not just sitting there.

Grimhallow

I think we should phase out CP altogether. The problem is we don't have a good replacement for it yet, and just getting rid of it would exacerbate many current problems, especially in PvP and end game PvE.

Maole1989

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap and NPC CP Vendor.

Grimick wrote: »

I think we should phase out CP altogether. The problem is we don't have a good replacement for it yet, and just getting rid of it would exacerbate many current problems, especially in PvP and end game PvE.

Thanks for your input! That's definitely an alternative - especially considering the direction the CP system is heading. Do you have any ideas of how CP could be phased out? I wonder if this is the direction that ZOS is heading with the introduction of non-CP BG.

Maole1989

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap and NPC CP Vendor.

Thank you to everyone who took the time to read, vote and/or comment. I've enjoyed reading your feedback and ideas. This poll has given me plenty of information to digest and even some ideas for future polls/posts.

God bless.

Bobby_V_Rockit

No. I'm happy with the CP system as it is. There shouldn't be a permanent CP cap nor NPC CP Vendor.

Meh, the usual 30 cp increase barely covers the nerfs of each patch. Its more like inflation than progression

Insomnia rex

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap.

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Maole1989

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap and NPC CP Vendor.

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Meh, the usual 30 cp increase barely covers the nerfs of each patch. Its more like inflation than progression

That's an interesting point you mentioned! The constant nerfs/changes to the game somewhat balances out the constant CP increases.

Maole1989

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap and NPC CP Vendor.

Insomnia rex wrote: »

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Thanks for your vote.

Ulo

I can see it alternating between increasing the cp cap and increasing the gear cap. Will be a nightmare grinding new gear from cp 160 to cp whatever but it does seem the most viable way of keeping end game players busy. For clarification, i don't think that will be the best way, but its still what i think will happen.

Maole1989

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap and NPC CP Vendor.

Ulo wrote: »

I can see it alternating between increasing the cp cap and increasing the gear cap. Will be a nightmare grinding new gear from cp 160 to cp whatever but it does seem the most viable way of keeping end game players busy. For clarification, i don't think that will be the best way, but its still what i think will happen.

I agree - although the new gear grind will be a nightmare it is one way of keeping players busy. I appreciate your input!

Elhanan

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap.

The CP system should never have been a vertical progression system. They should have incorporated it into a horizontal progression system with new skill morphs available depending on CP level.

Maole1989

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap and NPC CP Vendor.

Elhanan wrote: »

The CP system should never have been a vertical progression system. They should have incorporated it into a horizontal progression system with new skill morphs available depending on CP level.

I really like your take on the CP system! I think that's a good alternative to a straight grind to 3,600 CP.

Insomnia rex

Yes. There should be a permanent CP cap.

Maole1989 wrote: »

Insomnia rex wrote: »

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Thanks for your vote.

yw

I wish they would do the Anarchy Online thing and give us a console command that stops xp gain. Alternatively not show CP, but spend CP, maybe even easier to implement.