Balance suggestions for update 3.1 (PvP)

Derra

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

tsopoci wrote: »

bleed is uselles vs blocking, shields.

This is simply not true, beased on everything I have seen, you have some evidence to back this up?

It is not true.

You can procc bleed on shields and on block. The dot then bypasses block (and armor mitigation) but not shields.

Vercingetorix

Your post can be summarized as "I'm only looking at PvP problems directly related to my personal performance and demanding global changes to existing armor sets without considering their impact on PvE, the other 99% of the game."

Joy_Division

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Your post can be summarized as "I'm only looking at PvP problems directly related to my personal performance and demanding global changes to existing armor sets without considering their impact on PvE, the other 99% of the game."

To be fair, 99.9% of posts are like that. The OP's is more well thought out than most,

RinaldoGandolphi

I agree with some of it, disagree with other points. However its a very well thought out post.

I don't see the issue with Alteration Mastery, its gives 2 recovery bonuses and a spell crit bonus...your giving up damage for a 6% cost reduction.....its actually a fairly balanced trade. The set was useless for over a year and half because it was bugged, and many others would argue that Alteration Mastery isn't even BIS in most cases so why nerf it?

Amberplasm just shores up weakness magicka builds have with stamina management since the shield changes since magicka builds have far more limited stam pools then stamina build counterparts.

I wouldn't be against buffing Hulking Drauger, I certainly agree with you on the axe bleed, and i def agree with you on proc sets needing to be changed.

Overall this is a quality post that can be built upon. No one agrees on everything,but I think compromises can be made where most folks would come out at the end reasonably happy that they atleast got part of what they wanted, even if they had to give way on a few things.

Arkangeloski

They took care of the procs, now disabeling gap closers during Eot should be the next.

DeHei

tsopoci wrote: »

bleed is uselles vs blocking, shields.

Dot and bleedingbuilds are the best way to defeat permablocker and make pressure on shieldstacker..

Ishammael

DDuke wrote: »

With the upcoming Flame Blossom set, magicka will even have significantly stronger proc sets than stamina... (33% higher tooltip than Viper and AoE).

Flame blossom has a 10s cooldown which may mitigate its effectiveness.

Regardless, still need to test it in combat. Its easy to imagine a mDK or mTemp in Valkyn+Blossom as the new Tremor+Viper.

NBrookus

Derra wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

New Shadowrend will certainly be constant on proc: Shadowrend is unkillable so necropotence would be up for the whole duration. That's scary. Becouse sorcs now can slot 2 more skills, per bar. Instead of being stuck with pets

Everyone can. It´s not only sorcs. It´s templar and DK aswell that are being enabled to have shields comparable to magblade/sorc.

Well it doesn't have 100% uptime like you can achieve on a sorc.

I ran a Shadowrend DK for a few days. When all was proc'd and timed properly, damage was huge. But it did require a lot of juggling and timing, especially when combined with a class with no execute. So not only did I need Shadowrend to proc for burst, I had to have an ult up as well to usually kill anyone not very squishy; otherwise I had to tank their damage and keep dots and buffs up until the moment arrived.

Interesting and fun build, but a lot of work to make it work, and damage was still quite a bit less than a reasonably geared sorc.

Shadowrend on sorcs next patch is going to be scary.

Derra

NBrookus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

New Shadowrend will certainly be constant on proc: Shadowrend is unkillable so necropotence would be up for the whole duration. That's scary. Becouse sorcs now can slot 2 more skills, per bar. Instead of being stuck with pets

Everyone can. It´s not only sorcs. It´s templar and DK aswell that are being enabled to have shields comparable to magblade/sorc.

Well it doesn't have 100% uptime like you can achieve on a sorc.

I ran a Shadowrend DK for a few days. When all was proc'd and timed properly, damage was huge. But it did require a lot of juggling and timing, especially when combined with a class with no execute. So not only did I need Shadowrend to proc for burst, I had to have an ult up as well to usually kill anyone not very squishy; otherwise I had to tank their damage and keep dots and buffs up until the moment arrived.

Interesting and fun build, but a lot of work to make it work, and damage was still quite a bit less than a reasonably geared sorc.

Shadowrend on sorcs next patch is going to be scary.

Well next patch shadowrend will be basically permanently up for every class. 15% chance on getting attacked is HUGE.

Sandman929

NBrookus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

New Shadowrend will certainly be constant on proc: Shadowrend is unkillable so necropotence would be up for the whole duration. That's scary. Becouse sorcs now can slot 2 more skills, per bar. Instead of being stuck with pets

Everyone can. It´s not only sorcs. It´s templar and DK aswell that are being enabled to have shields comparable to magblade/sorc.

Well it doesn't have 100% uptime like you can achieve on a sorc.

I ran a Shadowrend DK for a few days. When all was proc'd and timed properly, damage was huge. But it did require a lot of juggling and timing, especially when combined with a class with no execute. So not only did I need Shadowrend to proc for burst, I had to have an ult up as well to usually kill anyone not very squishy; otherwise I had to tank their damage and keep dots and buffs up until the moment arrived.

Interesting and fun build, but a lot of work to make it work, and damage was still quite a bit less than a reasonably geared sorc.

Shadowrend on sorcs next patch is going to be scary.

Necropotence isn't just for Sorcs and NBs anymore. I'm looking forward to trying some Petplars and Petknights.

NBrookus

Derra wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

New Shadowrend will certainly be constant on proc: Shadowrend is unkillable so necropotence would be up for the whole duration. That's scary. Becouse sorcs now can slot 2 more skills, per bar. Instead of being stuck with pets

Everyone can. It´s not only sorcs. It´s templar and DK aswell that are being enabled to have shields comparable to magblade/sorc.

Well it doesn't have 100% uptime like you can achieve on a sorc.

I ran a Shadowrend DK for a few days. When all was proc'd and timed properly, damage was huge. But it did require a lot of juggling and timing, especially when combined with a class with no execute. So not only did I need Shadowrend to proc for burst, I had to have an ult up as well to usually kill anyone not very squishy; otherwise I had to tank their damage and keep dots and buffs up until the moment arrived.

Interesting and fun build, but a lot of work to make it work, and damage was still quite a bit less than a reasonably geared sorc.

Shadowrend on sorcs next patch is going to be scary.

Well next patch shadowrend will be basically permanently up for every class. 15% chance on getting attacked is HUGE.

In testing, sparring 1v1, it was about 30-40% up. Facing multiple attackers, yea, I expect that clanfear to be up a whole lot if not 100%.

tossop

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

tsopoci wrote: »

bleed is uselles vs blocking, shields.

This is simply not true, beased on everything I have seen, you have some evidence to back this up?

never procing axe bleed on shielded sorcs, only if i break shields, or with oblivion enchant on my axe but its only 8% chance to proc. This is from my combat log but never doing deeper testing though. Using heavy attack + rending slashes + enchant = about 50% chance to proc bleed but never procing on sorc shields as i said.