Warden is a pretty horrible class

AbysmalGhul

Those heals, those buffs, those betty....*whispers netches....

The warden is my preferred healer now. People get fat off of the amount of buff and heal I throw their way. I'm still healing the random vet dungeon team I played with yesterday and I'm at work now. *inbox is filling up with request and 50 dollar gift card numbers as we speak *whispers 50 dollar gift card numbers

Countcalorie

I like the magic warden.would like buffs to it. but hate the salty mail I get when I manage to kill a sorc.that whole class is a better version of the warden.Yet literally every sorc main will send you hate mail if you beat them on any other class.

Integral1900

36k with best in slot against a single target and with perfect rotations... so what, my 2 handed dk will blow past that with crafted gear

The issue is that unlike any other class you have to wait for everything, nothing feels imidiate, it's like it's a bit snoozy, the pvp crowd may love it but in pve land if you turn up with mr bear in tow you may have to get used to being given the boot

Ihatenightblades

100% agree that subterranean move is trash its impossible to land in pvp.

Wardens only need that ability fixed and i think it would make that better classes.

Its cool in pve but my god why even slot it in pvp?

Vaoh

SanTii.92 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I managed to get to lvl 27 with mine before I decided that it just was lacking. I should give it a better shot, but I prefer having fun.

It just gets worse when you try to min-max and realise how insanely underpowered it is and you can't do anything about it.

36k dps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wX4w91RKjM
Granted, got orbs for the moondancer procs. But it's just below par the rest of magicka classes. Not saying they are fine, but definetly not as bad as it is said, and most certainly you can do trials with competitive scores.

There are many issues here:

1. This assumes you will have Necrotic Orbs on demand exactly when you need them. Because of this, slotting 5x Moondancer is perfectly reliable here.
2. Bear Ult is slotted, which increases DPS by a decent amount against a target skeleton. This will never be slotted in any semi-serious Trial scenario. You'll be using Northern Storn+Elemental Rage/Shooting Star
3. The player is fighting at a range which increases Cliff Racer DPS by a whole 15%. In a trial, this will be based on necessary positioning, and won't always be achievable.

Granted, the player herself actually did a great job, and I truly applaud her for trying to make it work as best as possible. The issue is that a Warden has to have all of these buffs and effort invested to put out decent DPS. Under those same circumstances, any other class could put out significantly more DPS.

If you aren't caring about Vet trials, then Magicka Warden is fine. Until ZOS at least bug fixes Swarm and Winter's Revenge, Mag Warden DPS should not be brought into serious runs.

I think the vocal minority screaming over Mag Warden in PvP is halting any further buff

Chufu

@Alucardo you said everything, that are also my thoughts about the warden.

Even when Magicka is fun in PvP, execute is missing, also in PvE.

Was told to switch off my warden for my trial group vHoF, because the DMG of the warden is far lower than with my sorc. Bear is senseless there, always dying...

Sad story from a warden. A buff would be very good.

Enslaved

Why is bear poor ultimate in 3 pictures.

mook-eb16_ESO

trying to play magicka warden low level pvp what a pile guar dung. cant self heal cant do damage, cant mitagte damage really? no sustain with 2 x regen sets warlock seducer. what is the point of this class other than spawning pretty flowers.

MLGProPlayer

Chufu wrote: »

@Alucardo you said everything, that are also my thoughts about the warden.

Even when Magicka is fun in PvP, execute is missing, also in PvE.

Was told to switch off my warden for my trial group vHoF, because the DMG of the warden is far lower than with my sorc. Bear is senseless there, always dying...

Sad story from a warden. A buff would be very good.

There is absolutely no way to achieve viable endgame DPS with magicka warden.

You can get around 35k with the bear, but that's essentially 35k single target damage. A stamina character can hit 45k single target. Replace the bear with destro ult and you're struggling to hit 30k DPS while all the other magicka classes can comfortably hit 37-40k.

It's a shame because it's a fun class to play. I'm really not sure why ZOS continues to ignore it. Templars can heal and DPS. Why can't wardens do both?

SanTii.92

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Chufu wrote: »

@Alucardo you said everything, that are also my thoughts about the warden.

Even when Magicka is fun in PvP, execute is missing, also in PvE.

Was told to switch off my warden for my trial group vHoF, because the DMG of the warden is far lower than with my sorc. Bear is senseless there, always dying...

Sad story from a warden. A buff would be very good.

There is absolutely no way to achieve viable endgame DPS with magicka warden.

You can get around 35k with the bear, but that's essentially 35k single target damage. A stamina character can hit 45k single target. Replace the bear with destro ult and you're struggling to hit 30k DPS while all the other magicka classes can comfortably hit 37-40k.

It's a shame because it's a fun class to play. I'm really not sure why ZOS continues to ignore it. Templars can heal and DPS. Why can't wardens do both?

I think they are just taking it's time and carefully evaluating warden's performance. As it's being currently discussed mwarden pvp might be a bit on the strong side, and any pve buff can only pushed them over that side even more, unless we see a larger update to them. Which needs more time to think about. This patch wasn't one regardng class balance, and with so much going on with traits, mundus and set pieces I think it was the right call.

Waffennacht

Give artic wind the hurricane treatment. Either buff it and keep it scaling to health, or make it scale to magicka spell DMG. I seriously believe a re work of this ability can pump the dps of PvE into competition and in PvP can make a whole new build of wardens possible.

SanTii.92

Waffennacht wrote: »

Give artic wind the hurricane treatment. Either buff it and keep it scaling to health, or make it scale to magicka spell DMG. I seriously believe a re work of this ability can pump the dps of PvE into competition and in PvP can make a whole new build of wardens possible.

That would be pretty cool. Arctic Wind is currently a really underwhelming skill in my opinion, worth the rework.

JackDaniell

I have played allot of Magden in pvp (rank 19) and find it quite powerful.
Allot of people seem to say warden is clunky and slow, but if you time the skills right they all land at the same time and allow for huge burst that usually 1 shots 20k hp or less in pvp.
Spamming cliff racer will get you no where it's all about combination burst damage.

For Pve warden rotation should include these delayed skills as they do hit quite hard (fisure) and dive is a great distance spamable but the DPS just isn't as great as other mag classes.

Warden seems to be like it was created wih PvP in mind, as many of its skills and passives are PvP oriented.

QuebraRegra

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Those heals, those buffs, those betty....*whispers netches....

The warden is my preferred healer now. People get fat off of the amount of buff and heal I throw their way. I'm still healing the random vet dungeon team I played with yesterday and I'm at work now. *inbox is filling up with request and 50 dollar gift card numbers as we speak *whispers 50 dollar gift card numbers

just so good I actually applauded LOL!

Samwell Slayer

Love these posts. Many skills on the warden are broken, but imo they have the easiest rotation of any class.

Vaoh wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I managed to get to lvl 27 with mine before I decided that it just was lacking. I should give it a better shot, but I prefer having fun.

It just gets worse when you try to min-max and realise how insanely underpowered it is and you can't do anything about it.

36k dps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wX4w91RKjM
Granted, got orbs for the moondancer procs. But it's just below par the rest of magicka classes. Not saying they are fine, but definetly not as bad as it is said, and most certainly you can do trials with competitive scores.

There are many issues here:

1. This assumes you will have Necrotic Orbs on demand exactly when you need them. Because of this, slotting 5x Moondancer is perfectly reliable here.
2. Bear Ult is slotted, which increases DPS by a decent amount against a target skeleton. This will never be slotted in any semi-serious Trial scenario. You'll be using Northern Storn+Elemental Rage/Shooting Star
3. The player is fighting at a range which increases Cliff Racer DPS by a whole 15%. In a trial, this will be based on necessary positioning, and won't always be achievable.

Granted, the player herself actually did a great job, and I truly applaud her for trying to make it work as best as possible. The issue is that a Warden has to have all of these buffs and effort invested to put out decent DPS. Under those same circumstances, any other class could put out significantly more DPS.

If you aren't caring about Vet trials, then Magicka Warden is fine. Until ZOS at least bug fixes Swarm and Winter's Revenge, Mag Warden DPS should not be brought into serious runs.

I think the vocal minority screaming over Mag Warden in PvP is halting any further buff

Perhaps people still don't know how to play warden well in PVP or PVE with all the comments here.


1). PVE "Wardens need too many buffs, etc". Solo parse. Used only 4 skills over and over. Easiest rotation inthe game. (I am NOT a good parser, have trouble getting over 30 with mag nb/ mag templar)



2). PVP. Here a bg with nearly a million heals and damage. I don't think any other class can come even close to these numbers.




Ever think that there are no wardens on the leaderboards because there are no wardens on the leaderboards? You're using as evidence that wardens shouldn't be in top tier trials that wardens aren't in top tier trials. …