Stamina Templar / Precise vs Sharpened and Mundus Stones compared.

ConnorWoods

Hello, so I thought to myself upon logging into the PTS that I would give these new stones and trait changes a try before I started throwing my faeces around on the forum like a fool and embarrassing myself in the process.

SO... I decided that to make my testing fair I would keep a number of things the same, these being;

-My CP

61 - Thaumaturge
64 - Mighty
44 - Precise Strikes
31 - Piercing
20 - Master at Arms

-My rotation

Start with Trap / BS / Hail / Caltrops / Ulti / BS / RS / PoTL / Trap / Jabs x3 / Potl / BS

then Hail / Caltrops / Ulti / Poison inject (if below 50%) / BS / LA / RS / HA / PotL / HA / Trap / HA / Jabs / LA / Jabs / LA / PotL / BS / Repeat.

-My Buffs, Rotation yields between 82-86% PoTL uptime for Minor Fracture

All tests were done WITHOUT Major Fracture, I was alone in my house.

-Infused DW dagger, these are monstrously powerful it has to stay.

-Selene's Monster set

-Twice Fanged Snake 5/5

THE LEFT TABLE IS ME WEARING HUNDINGS RAGE

THE RIGHT TABLE IS ME WEARING NIGHT MOTHERS GAZE

And the results were as follows;



There is a lot of changing to be done, for example stacking precise I NEED more in precise strikes and likewise less in Piercing with the Lover however this is just a first glance of what they all do.

As you can see Warrior is generally pretty bad unless set up or you get lucky with crits on the dummy. I would like to hear how other people are getting along on other stamina classes and if they're exceeding with any particular trait or mundus stone combination if possible.

Thanks for reading, @ConnorWoods.

ConnorWoods

P.S Nirnhoned is crap

DDuke

Warrior is actually surprisingly competitive based on those results.

I wonder if that's a templar thing only as you get an additional +6% from passives.


All munduses seem to be within quite close margin of each other, which suggests ZOS actually did a good job balancing them.

casparian

ConnorWoods wrote: »

Hello, so I thought to myself upon logging into the PTS that I would give these new stones and trait changes a try before I started throwing my faeces around on the forum like a fool and embarrassing myself in the process.

Awww, you're no fun.

Thanks for sharing your results!

bebynnag

ConnorWoods wrote: »

P.S Nirnhoned is crap

i thought nirn may perform well within a trial situation (on account of all the debuffs) were you able to replicate that or was it always bad?

ConnorWoods

Sadly since this PTS and it's not a major update no one gives a crap and thus I cannot replicate trial scenarios, unless I were able to get a bunch of players and maybe simulate it.

in my test having Nirnhoned as the second dagger did so badly that I didn't even create a table result for it since my god I was hitting like 35-36k with the good stones. However I am open to re trying now I have a better foothold on my CP.

As far as using Nirnhoned in a trial with fully debuffed targets I guess precise would be better especially since I'm pretty set on using the Shadow as my standard stone now

Thanks for reading guys!

hedna123b14_ESO

ConnorWoods wrote: »

Hello, so I thought to myself upon logging into the PTS that I would give these new stones and trait changes a try before I started throwing my faeces around on the forum like a fool and embarrassing myself in the process.

SO... I decided that to make my testing fair I would keep a number of things the same, these being;

-My CP

61 - Thaumaturge
64 - Mighty
44 - Precise Strikes
31 - Piercing
20 - Master at Arms

-My rotation

Start with Trap / BS / Hail / Caltrops / Ulti / BS / RS / PoTL / Trap / Jabs x3 / Potl / BS

then Hail / Caltrops / Ulti / Poison inject (if below 50%) / BS / LA / RS / HA / PotL / HA / Trap / HA / Jabs / LA / Jabs / LA / PotL / BS / Repeat.

-My Buffs, Rotation yields between 82-86% PoTL uptime for Minor Fracture

All tests were done WITHOUT Major Fracture, I was alone in my house.

-Infused DW dagger, these are monstrously powerful it has to stay.

-Selene's Monster set

-Twice Fanged Snake 5/5

THE LEFT TABLE IS ME WEARING HUNDINGS RAGE

THE RIGHT TABLE IS ME WEARING NIGHT MOTHERS GAZE

And the results were as follows;



There is a lot of changing to be done, for example stacking precise I NEED more in precise strikes and likewise less in Piercing with the Lover however this is just a first glance of what they all do.

As you can see Warrior is generally pretty bad unless set up or you get lucky with crits on the dummy. I would like to hear how other people are getting along on other stamina classes and if they're exceeding with any particular trait or mundus stone combination if possible.

Thanks for reading, @ConnorWoods.

Shadow seems to be the best mundus to use in 99% of situations

ConnorWoods

Yeah for sure, I changed my CP to

61- Thauma
64 - Mighty
37 - Precise Strikes
38 - Piercing
20 - MaA

and parsed 43.4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i5PNT-s9ik&feature=youtu.be

it's my highest so far and I used the shadow so it's what I'm keeping with

I like this one better anyway and depending on the targets resistance I can reduce piercing points and add them to others for simplicity

Thanks for reading!

hedna123b14_ESO

ConnorWoods wrote: »

Yeah for sure, I changed my CP to

61- Thauma
64 - Mighty
37 - Precise Strikes
38 - Piercing
20 - MaA

and parsed 43.4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i5PNT-s9ik&feature=youtu.be

it's my highest so far and I used the shadow so it's what I'm keeping with

I like this one better anyway since Shadow scales nicely with Major Force and depending on the targets resistance I can reduce piercing points and add them to others for simplicity

Thanks for reading!

What do you mean Shadow scales with Major force? The two don't affect eachother

ConnorWoods

I had a brainfart moment you're right, let me edit it lol

Hunharibo

ConnorWoods wrote: »

Sadly since this PTS and it's not a major update no one gives a crap and thus I cannot replicate trial scenarios, unless I were able to get a bunch of players and maybe simulate it.

in my test having Nirnhoned as the second dagger did so badly that I didn't even create a table result for it since my god I was hitting like 35-36k with the good stones. However I am open to re trying now I have a better foothold on my CP.

As far as using Nirnhoned in a trial with fully debuffed targets I guess precise would be better especially since I'm pretty set on using the Shadow as my standard stone now

Thanks for reading guys!

Dude, you HAVE to put the nirnhoned weapon to your first weapon slot if you are dual wielding! Only your first weapon's weapon damage is fully (100%) taken into account in your final weapon damage, the second weapon only gets 20%!!! It matters which slot the nirnhoned weapon is in, because if its your second weapon, the 15% from nirnhoned is effectively only 3% in your stat sheet. Whereas with sharpened it doesnt matter.

hedna123b14_ESO

ConnorWoods wrote: »

I had a brainfart moment you're right, let me edit it lol

Hehe:) Im glad youre doing stamplar...I feel like Im the only one on NA who brings a stamplar into competitive raids, they are awesome and do great damage.

ConnorWoods

Hunharibo wrote: »

ConnorWoods wrote: »

Sadly since this PTS and it's not a major update no one gives a crap and thus I cannot replicate trial scenarios, unless I were able to get a bunch of players and maybe simulate it.

in my test having Nirnhoned as the second dagger did so badly that I didn't even create a table result for it since my god I was hitting like 35-36k with the good stones. However I am open to re trying now I have a better foothold on my CP.

As far as using Nirnhoned in a trial with fully debuffed targets I guess precise would be better especially since I'm pretty set on using the Shadow as my standard stone now

Thanks for reading guys!

Dude, you HAVE to put the nirnhoned weapon to your first weapon slot if you are dual wielding! Only your first weapon's weapon damage is fully (100%) taken into account in your final weapon damage, the second weapon only gets 20%!!! It matters which slot the nirnhoned weapon is in, because if its your second weapon, the 15% from nirnhoned is effectively only 3% in your stat sheet. Whereas with sharpened it doesnt matter.

If thats correct then you can't use Nirnhoned, Infused has to be mainbar for it work correctly and I know for a fact infused is WAY better than nirnhoned

ConnorWoods

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

ConnorWoods wrote: »

I had a brainfart moment you're right, let me edit it lol

Hehe:) Im glad youre doing stamplar...I feel like Im the only one on NA who brings a stamplar into competitive raids, they are awesome and do great damage.

Thanks man, they hit really damn hard recently, maybe even on par with Stam DK soon if the patches keep going in favour of the stampy

Lord_Eomer

ConnorWoods wrote: »

Hello, so I thought to myself upon logging into the PTS that I would give these new stones and trait changes a try before I started throwing my faeces around on the forum like a fool and embarrassing myself in the process.

SO... I decided that to make my testing fair I would keep a number of things the same, these being;

-My CP

61 - Thaumaturge
64 - Mighty
44 - Precise Strikes
31 - Piercing
20 - Master at Arms

-My rotation

Start with Trap / BS / Hail / Caltrops / Ulti / BS / RS / PoTL / Trap / Jabs x3 / Potl / BS

then Hail / Caltrops / Ulti / Poison inject (if below 50%) / BS / LA / RS / HA / PotL / HA / Trap / HA / Jabs / LA / Jabs / LA / PotL / BS / Repeat.

-My Buffs, Rotation yields between 82-86% PoTL uptime for Minor Fracture

All tests were done WITHOUT Major Fracture, I was alone in my house.

-Infused DW dagger, these are monstrously powerful it has to stay.

-Selene's Monster set

-Twice Fanged Snake 5/5

THE LEFT TABLE IS ME WEARING HUNDINGS RAGE

THE RIGHT TABLE IS ME WEARING NIGHT MOTHERS GAZE

And the results were as follows;



There is a lot of changing to be done, for example stacking precise I NEED more in precise strikes and likewise less in Piercing with the Lover however this is just a first glance of what they all do.

As you can see Warrior is generally pretty bad unless set up or you get lucky with crits on the dummy. I would like to hear how other people are getting along on other stamina classes and if they're exceeding with any particular trait or mundus stone combination if possible.

Thanks for reading, @ConnorWoods.

Thank you for posting useful information,

DPS is now way better than Morrowind, Sharpen and Precise are close. In some scenarios sharpen is winner and in some precise

Read your comments about nirn, sad to hear this trait is still failing!

hedna123b14_ESO

ConnorWoods wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

ConnorWoods wrote: »

I had a brainfart moment you're right, let me edit it lol

Hehe:) Im glad youre doing stamplar...I feel like Im the only one on NA who brings a stamplar into competitive raids, they are awesome and do great damage.

Thanks man, they hit really damn hard recently, maybe even on par with Stam DK soon if the patches keep going in favour of the stampy

They definitely do hit hard, would be hard to beat a DK though...sustain is OP on DK

bebynnag

ConnorWoods wrote: »

Sadly since this PTS and it's not a major update no one gives a crap and thus I cannot replicate trial scenarios, unless I were able to get a bunch of players and maybe simulate it.

in my test having Nirnhoned as the second dagger did so badly that I didn't even create a table result for it since my god I was hitting like 35-36k with the good stones. However I am open to re trying now I have a better foothold on my CP.

As far as using Nirnhoned in a trial with fully debuffed targets I guess precise would be better especially since I'm pretty set on using the Shadow as my standard stone now

Thanks for reading guys!

hmmm was worried you would say that, RNGeebus loves giving me nirn for some reason!

ConnorWoods

It is sad to hear nirnhoned won't be usable as long as infused is the king, however now thanks to @Hunharibo I now know why! many thanks

hedna123b14_ESO

ConnorWoods wrote: »

It is sad to hear nirnhoned won't be usable as long as infused is the king, however now thanks to @Hunharibo I now know why! many thanks

Yeah between the fact that infused is amazing on the psn damage enchant it also still buffs your offhand enchant (why I have no idea) AND buffs hail ticks...BiS mainhand trait hands down

ConnorWoods

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

ConnorWoods wrote: »

It is sad to hear nirnhoned won't be usable as long as infused is the king, however now thanks to @Hunharibo I now know why! many thanks

Yeah between the fact that infused is amazing on the psn damage enchant it also still buffs your offhand enchant (why I have no idea) AND buffs hail ticks...BiS mainhand trait hands down

If you ever find yourself on PTS come add me @ConnorWoods and come to my stay moist mansion for stamplar action

DDuke

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

ConnorWoods wrote: »

It is sad to hear nirnhoned won't be usable as long as infused is the king, however now thanks to @Hunharibo I now know why! many thanks

Yeah between the fact that infused is amazing on the psn damage enchant it also still buffs your offhand enchant (why I have no idea) AND buffs hail ticks...BiS mainhand trait hands down

Considering Infused has the same value on 2H & DW, it definitely should apply only to the weapon that procs the enchant (not both weapons).

On that note, has someone tested what happens if you have Infused on off hand as well?

hedna123b14_ESO

ConnorWoods wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

ConnorWoods wrote: »

It is sad to hear nirnhoned won't be usable as long as infused is the king, however now thanks to @Hunharibo I now know why! many thanks

Yeah between the fact that infused is amazing on the psn damage enchant it also still buffs your offhand enchant (why I have no idea) AND buffs hail ticks...BiS mainhand trait hands down

If you ever find yourself on PTS come add me @ConnorWoods and come to my stay moist mansion for stamplar action

Sounds hawt!

hedna123b14_ESO

DDuke wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

ConnorWoods wrote: »

It is sad to hear nirnhoned won't be usable as long as infused is the king, however now thanks to @Hunharibo I now know why! many thanks

Yeah between the fact that infused is amazing on the psn damage enchant it also still buffs your offhand enchant (why I have no idea) AND buffs hail ticks...BiS mainhand trait hands down

Considering Infused has the same value on 2H & DW, it definitely should apply only to the weapon that procs the enchant (not both weapons).

On that note, has someone tested what happens if you have Infused on off hand as well?

Yes...nothing happens

ConnorWoods

As far as I'm aware, haven't actually dwelled on it enough, but I don't think you get the hail buff on off hand but still get the ridiculously powerful poison enchant, it balances out since rending slashes always procs off hand enchant not main

ConnorWoods

I just mis read the question you meant 2x infused daggers, it's aids I tried it

ConnorWoods

Nirnhoned main hand and infused 2nd dagger, sharpened bow

it's like 4-5k lower than what's capable

Izaki

Great!

Sunah

@ConnorWoods

So just confirming Infused dagger main hand and precise dagger off. With a mainhand poisen enchant? What would you place on off hand? Also what do you think about the new sets coming out?

Edit: Also what is the best number for physical pen for pve content that I should be hitting? I can't find like... a solid number to go for and im on xbox so I don't know if that changes anything.

ConnorWoods

Sunah wrote: »

@ConnorWoods

So just confirming Infused dagger main hand and precise dagger off. With a mainhand poisen enchant? What would you place on off hand? Also what do you think about the new sets coming out?

Edit: Also what is the best number for physical pen for pve content that I should be hitting? I can't find like... a solid number to go for and im on xbox so I don't know if that changes anything.

I personally still stick with sharpened off hand but it's down to your group

Most trial bosses have 18,200 resistance and you start with 100. So add all your possible penetrations up and how much your group is knocking off through taunt, alkosh and what not and judge from there:) personally I aim for 15k with taunt

Izaki

http://imgur.com/0K33LBa

#SecondDayOfPlayingStamplar

I'm really liking that setup with Infused main hand, Precise off-hand, Precise bow. Its been working out great on Stamblade and seems to be doing great for Stamplar too.

Just need to test out the Shadow mundus now, because that was giving absolutely insane results on the Stamblade with the same weapon traits and gear.

Izaki

Sunah wrote: »

@ConnorWoods

So just confirming Infused dagger main hand and precise dagger off. With a mainhand poisen enchant? What would you place on off hand? Also what do you think about the new sets coming out?

Edit: Also what is the best number for physical pen for pve content that I should be hitting? I can't find like... a solid number to go for and im on xbox so I don't know if that changes anything.

I'd personally say as much as you can without compromising other stats. If you can get to 18k with Major Fracture is applied you're good. But I've tested out the Shadow on the Stamblade and I was about 3.5k below the penetration cap and still got higher average DPS. So its really about testing stuff