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WEAPON DYES! We've waited and waited... Shields only? Really?
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Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »
And one I'm completely conten no longer supporting if this is the line of thinking your are encouraging
Make everything as awful as possible because it has legal validity behind it.
Sure
Hyperbole.
Appeal to Extremes.
Or *gasp* it's just simply a statment made because it's what I believe and have no problem whatsoever with leaving this game.
My subscription I already turned off for an entire year until they finally released one tamriel, in which I agreed with their decisions and re-continued my support.
Hyperbole and your other link to "appeal to extremes", while are quite cute. Are ultimately irrelevant, because it has nothing to do with being upset with a product that is (in mine opinion) underperforming to expected standards. For example, constant server crashes for all NA for over a week now, or releasing content that is functionally broken and could not be completed. Are all valid reasons to be upset with our current product. And enabling the company to continue to do so is, frankly, quite sad.
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AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »your are encouraging Make everything as awful as possible because it has legal validity behind it.
enabling the company to continue to do so is, frankly, quite sad.
Also: Strawman Fallacy0 -
Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »your are encouraging Make everything as awful as possible because it has legal validity behind it.
enabling the company to continue to do so is, frankly, quite sad.
Also: Strawman Fallacy
Now this one has some truth to it. But again, quite cute.
Using exaggeration and Emphasis however can blend together sometimes and are almost synonymous depending on context. Which was my intent. But your Perception is your reality I suppose.
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Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. Don't add Weapon Dyes to the game.No, you choose the appearance of the weapon when you choose its level. If you dont like the cosmetic downside, dont use it.1 -
ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »No, you choose the appearance of the weapon when you choose its level. If you dont like the cosmetic downside, dont use it.
So the exact same thing could be said for metal ARMOR... how is it logically possible we can DYE armor but we cannot dye a weapon made from the EXACT SAME material?!? If they cannot give us weapon dyes then they should remove heavy armor dyeing capability as well.
It's also ridiculous that some players want to dictate to other players what they can do with their characters... MORE options in a game is always better than fewer... more options attract more players, less options the opposite.CP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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jmferris✭✭No. Don't add Weapon Dyes to the game.I'll vote with the "No" side, for now. Will gladly switch to the "Yes" camp once more important things are addressed, like the stability of this game - from both a client and server perspective.
That being said, we will likely see weapon dyes long before stability - as there is not as much money to be made from stability as there is from "Get this exlusive dye combo, available in the Crown Store for three days only!"0 -
GreyWolf_79✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.I'll vote with the "No" side, for now. Will gladly switch to the "Yes" camp once more important things are addressed, like the stability of this game - from both a client and server perspective.
That being said, we will likely see weapon dyes long before stability - as there is not as much money to be made from stability as there is from "Get this exlusive dye combo, available in the Crown Store for three days only!"
That's a bad argument, and one that I've seen far too many times on this forum. Whenever somebody says "I wish ESO had this", then someone says "no, they need to fix all the broken stuff first". Yes, obviously they should be fixing the broken stuff, and that should be their first priority. But that fact alone should not serve as a reason to shoot down any other game-related suggestions.
An equivalent would be, let's say you're living in a run-down apartment complex; somebody says, "hey, wouldn't it be nice if we had a swimming pool?" and your response is, "no, I don't want a swimming pool, they need to fix the plumbing!" Of course they need to fix the plumbing, obviously before they even consider adding a swimming pool. But that doesn't mean the swimming pool suggestion is wrong.
If we're discussing where to allocate limited funds, then yes, obviously fixing problems comes before luxury items. But I don't think that's the case here. Maybe you could create a thread asking ZOS to improve stability? Or, maybe you could put down the baseball bat... based on the number of fleshflies in the stall, I don't think that horse is getting up anytime soon.
Geez. It's a simple "I wish" thread. A simple yay or nay. Yay if you like it, nay if you don't. There are no expectations here. I doubt anyone expects the company to come out and say, "hey, we read a thread on the forum asking for this, so here it is!" The OP was simply asking if you wanted the option to be available, and you're saying no, NOT because you're opposed to the idea itself, but because you don't think it's practical. I'm pretty cynical myself, so I see where you're coming from, but seriously... if there was a poll asking you, "would you like to win the lottery and be a millionaire?" or "would you like to drink champagne out of the navel of a supermodel?", are you going to answer "no" simply because you don't think it's realistic? Come on, man! It's a video game. It is possible to both want weapon dyes and to also want the game to be made more stable. Even if neither one of them ever happen. One can still dream, right?3 -
Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »No, you choose the appearance of the weapon when you choose its level. If you dont like the cosmetic downside, dont use it.
This is really ridiculous
I guess all those Pink armors people have that we craft shouldn't be dyable either to that color. Or the costumes, or the shields.
You need mental professional help
Edited by Nelson_Rebel on July 26, 2017 1:47PM3 -
Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.GreyWolf_79 wrote: »I'll vote with the "No" side, for now. Will gladly switch to the "Yes" camp once more important things are addressed, like the stability of this game - from both a client and server perspective.
That being said, we will likely see weapon dyes long before stability - as there is not as much money to be made from stability as there is from "Get this exlusive dye combo, available in the Crown Store for three days only!"
That's a bad argument, and one that I've seen far too many times on this forum. Whenever somebody says "I wish ESO had this", then someone says "no, they need to fix all the broken stuff first". Yes, obviously they should be fixing the broken stuff, and that should be their first priority. But that fact alone should not serve as a reason to shoot down any other game-related suggestions.
An equivalent would be, let's say you're living in a run-down apartment complex; somebody says, "hey, wouldn't it be nice if we had a swimming pool?" and your response is, "no, I don't want a swimming pool, they need to fix the plumbing!" Of course they need to fix the plumbing, obviously before they even consider adding a swimming pool. But that doesn't mean the swimming pool suggestion is wrong.
If we're discussing where to allocate limited funds, then yes, obviously fixing problems comes before luxury items. But I don't think that's the case here. Maybe you could create a thread asking ZOS to improve stability? Or, maybe you could put down the baseball bat... based on the number of fleshflies in the stall, I don't think that horse is getting up anytime soon.
Geez. It's a simple "I wish" thread. A simple yay or nay. Yay if you like it, nay if you don't. There are no expectations here. I doubt anyone expects the company to come out and say, "hey, we read a thread on the forum asking for this, so here it is!" The OP was simply asking if you wanted the option to be available, and you're saying no, NOT because you're opposed to the idea itself, but because you don't think it's practical. I'm pretty cynical myself, so I see where you're coming from, but seriously... if there was a poll asking you, "would you like to win the lottery and be a millionaire?" or "would you like to drink champagne out of the navel of a supermodel?", are you going to answer "no" simply because you don't think it's realistic? Come on, man! It's a video game. It is possible to both want weapon dyes and to also want the game to be made more stable. Even if neither one of them ever happen. One can still dream, right?
This is exactly right
Just because there are other issues doesn't mean we can't have Quality of Life features.
ESPECIALLY one as basic as this one is. It's so obviously overwhelming on what people want. And this should have been implemented 2 years ago when ALREADY ADDED SHIELD To be dyed. Or when they added ALL COSTUMES to the table as well2 -
celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.@Nelson_Rebel @AlMcFly
At the end of the day I don’t believe it matters if we hold no gravity in what the "farmer" chooses to do with his "spoiled apples" When we are putting money in their pockets so they can support themselves and/or their families, there is an obligation for customer satisfaction. Again we hold no gravity their, accept for the fact that we can choose not to support the crap "farmer" until the lack of income forces them to change/rethink their strategy.
Its just a damn shame that the micro transaction world has really changed the gaming industry. They no longer find pleasure in their game being awesome while running great and really gaining an awesome fan-base. Their happiness is found only in the absurd amount of money they make from the micro transaction they implement in their game, which is logical, but a shame from what it use to be for the vast majority of gaming industry. A damn shame.Edited by celner4_ESO on July 26, 2017 3:54PMHide ya kids, hide ya wife, n' hide ya husband too cuz he be gankin' erybody up en heeyuh..0 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game....once more important things are addressed, like the stability of this game - from both a client and server perspective.
That being said, we will likely see weapon dyes long before stability - as there is not as much money to be made from stability as there is from "Get this exlusive dye combo, available in the Crown Store for three days only!"
That's mostly because adding X number of dyes adds clear, measurable value in the eyes of the gamer, especially the layman armchair managers who daily "advise" ZOS on their business decisions, but really are coming from zero game development experience themselves.
Not only is it notoriously hard to measure the impact and value of "better server stability", most improvements will go unnoticed by the vast majority of the players who can't recognize a difference. These same players get disgruntled en masse when there are long delays between "value" that they are able to perceive.
There are no easy solutions.
Edited by AlMcFly on July 26, 2017 3:51PM0 -
celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game....once more important things are addressed, like the stability of this game - from both a client and server perspective.
That being said, we will likely see weapon dyes long before stability - as there is not as much money to be made from stability as there is from "Get this exlusive dye combo, available in the Crown Store for three days only!"
That's mostly because adding X number of dyes adds clear, measurable value in the eyes of the gamer, especially the layman armchair engineers. Not only is it notoriously hard to measure the impact and value of "better server stability", most improvements will go unnoticed by the vast majority of the players who can't recognize a difference. These same players get disgruntled en masse when there are long delays between "value" that they are able to perceive.
There are no easy solutions.
The severe lack of due diligence / competence"?" to fix the obvious server/game bugs and stability problems is disconcerting indeed
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jmferris✭✭No. Don't add Weapon Dyes to the game.GreyWolf_79 wrote: »Geez. It's a simple "I wish" thread. A simple yay or nay. Yay if you like it, nay if you don't. There are no expectations here. I doubt anyone expects the company to come out and say, "hey, we read a thread on the forum asking for this, so here it is!"
Sorry, I did not realize that I should not participate in a discussion if I had an opinion that described a non-present poll option. I fully expected to be told how to play the game on the forums, but at least know I know when and where I can discuss my own opinion in an opinion-based medium, as well.
Just like in any development shop, the developers are keenly aware of the feedback, as collected from all mediums. ZOS has a problem in communication. and even acknowledgement, of issues that do not impact their primary revenue streams. They do actively read threads like this, and even occasionally chime in on polls. Including feedback as to why someone chooses an option that he or she does not change the results of the polls, in any way.
If I would have chosen "yes" and included the same text that I did, this would not even be a conversation.
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celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.GreyWolf_79 wrote: »Geez. It's a simple "I wish" thread. A simple yay or nay. Yay if you like it, nay if you don't. There are no expectations here. I doubt anyone expects the company to come out and say, "hey, we read a thread on the forum asking for this, so here it is!"
Sorry, I did not realize that I should not participate in a discussion if I had an opinion that described a non-present poll option. I fully expected to be told how to play the game on the forums, but at least know I know when and where I can discuss my own opinion in an opinion-based medium, as well.
Just like in any development shop, the developers are keenly aware of the feedback, as collected from all mediums. ZOS has a problem in communication. and even acknowledgement, of issues that do not impact their primary revenue streams. They do actively read threads like this, and even occasionally chime in on polls. Including feedback as to why someone chooses an option that he or she does not change the results of the polls, in any way.
If I would have chosen "yes" and included the same text that I did, this would not even be a conversation.
Your opinion is voiced from your vote and your reason you believe to be valid is appreciated. Polls are created to get feedback from the community on what changes or additions we'd like to see from our developers, not to force a singular vote to get what the poll creator wanted Hide ya kids, hide ya wife, n' hide ya husband too cuz he be gankin' erybody up en heeyuh..1 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.celner4_ESO wrote: »The severe lack of due diligence / competence"?" to fix the obvious server/game bugs and stability problems is disconcerting indeed
Hey, who knows what's going on inside ZOS
There could be a thousand different explanations for why we aren't seeing improvements. Most people default to blaming the developers, thinking they are either lazy, incapable, or unwilling. It's entirely possible that the Devs every single day are telling Management "WE NEED MORE/BETTER SERVERS", and Management saying "NOPES!"
Whatever the reason, their game will remain unpolished and less-than-stellar until they do.
Edited by AlMcFly on July 26, 2017 3:57PM1 -
celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.celner4_ESO wrote: »The severe lack of due diligence / competence"?" to fix the obvious server/game bugs and stability problems is disconcerting indeed
Hey, who knows what's going on inside ZOS There could be a thousand different explanations for why we aren't seeing improvements. Most people default to blaming the developers, thinking they are either lazy, incapable, or unwilling. It's entirely possible that the Devs every single day are telling Management "WE NEED MORE/BETTER SERVERS", and Management saying "NOPES!"
Whatever the reason, their game will remain unpolished and less-than-stellar until they do.
Take a look at the employee reviews it's a nice sneak peak as to what problems are plaguing ZOS 
Oh and yes management is a huge problem no question there. Edited by celner4_ESO on July 26, 2017 3:59PMHide ya kids, hide ya wife, n' hide ya husband too cuz he be gankin' erybody up en heeyuh..1 -
jmferris✭✭No. Don't add Weapon Dyes to the game.celner4_ESO wrote: »Your opinion is voiced from your vote and your reason you believe to be valid is appreciated. Polls are created to get feedback from the community on what changes or additions we'd like to see from our developers, not to force a singular vote to get what the poll creator wanted
Thank you. I thought that I was concise and chose not to rant about it, but simply explain the rationale behind what I voted for. It makes more sense than just saying "No" for the sake of saying it. Just like in real life, there is usually middle ground between any two given choices.
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celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.celner4_ESO wrote: »Your opinion is voiced from your vote and your reason you believe to be valid is appreciated. Polls are created to get feedback from the community on what changes or additions we'd like to see from our developers, not to force a singular vote to get what the poll creator wanted
Thank you. I thought that I was concise and chose not to rant about it, but simply explain the rationale behind what I voted for. It makes more sense than just saying "No" for the sake of saying it. Just like in real life, there is usually middle ground between any two given choices.
Yeah usually if people want more then just a "No" vote, they'll vote no then voice their opinion. Which is exactly what you did and there's nothing wrong with it
People will disagree but hey, that's what happens in polls, just have to be civil about disagreeing is all 
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AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.celner4_ESO wrote: »Your opinion is voiced from your vote and your reason you believe to be valid is appreciated. Polls are created to get feedback from the community on what changes or additions we'd like to see from our developers, not to force a singular vote to get what the poll creator wanted
Thank you. I thought that I was concise and chose not to rant about it, but simply explain the rationale behind what I voted for. It makes more sense than just saying "No" for the sake of saying it. Just like in real life, there is usually middle ground between any two given choices.
Ha! Rule #1 of the Internet: When you post reasoning behind an opinion, there will be no end to others who will try to "out-reason" you (even though it's an opinion and not necessarily a formal argument). Sometimes it's better just to say "No" and not explain why, which prevents all opposition to your opinion good or bad.
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celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.@AlMcFly
That link you put up yesterday for transmogrify implementation being in development really has me excited though hopefully it doesn’t get washed up or forgot about as they work on that!! I sure would love to see transmog come to ESO! Hide ya kids, hide ya wife, n' hide ya husband too cuz he be gankin' erybody up en heeyuh..0 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.celner4_ESO wrote: »@AlMcFly
That link you put up yesterday for transmogrify implementation being in development really has me excited though hopefully it doesn’t get washed up or forgot about as they work on that!! I sure would love to see transmog come to ESO!
Especially since so much of the Meta in every class relies on dropped armor/weapon sets. That's a LARGE section of the playerbase that is wearing the same boring, sometimes ugly, gear. Transmogrification should have come far earlier, in my opinion. Endgame is populated by an army of clones whose only distinct characteristic is how creative they can be with their color-scheme.1 -
celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.celner4_ESO wrote: »@AlMcFly
That link you put up yesterday for transmogrify implementation being in development really has me excited though hopefully it doesn’t get washed up or forgot about as they work on that!! I sure would love to see transmog come to ESO!
Especially since so much of the Meta in every class relies on dropped armor/weapon sets. That's a LARGE section of the playerbase that is wearing the same boring, sometimes ugly, gear. Transmogrification should have come far earlier, in my opinion. Endgame is populated by an army of clones whose only distinct characteristic is how creative they can be with their color-scheme.
Yes, more customization for characters is awlays a great thing and usually is the most enjoyed content, being able to deck your toon out and make them not only bad arse, but unique to you. Can't wait for transmog's if it is indeed coming!Hide ya kids, hide ya wife, n' hide ya husband too cuz he be gankin' erybody up en heeyuh..1 -
celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.BumpHide ya kids, hide ya wife, n' hide ya husband too cuz he be gankin' erybody up en heeyuh..1
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celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.OP, I am sorely disappointed.
Your title made it sound like ZOS had announced weapon dyes.
@AlnilamE
Should I change the title? maybe "long enough wait"? They have announced Transmog being developed and in the works which means weapon dyes is a very likely possibility, just not for sure specifically with weapon dying. Not trying to be shadey with the title I’ll change it sorry...
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celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Changed the title so it makes more sense as to what I mean... Sorry if it was elusive in what it was about that was not intentional!!!Hide ya kids, hide ya wife, n' hide ya husband too cuz he be gankin' erybody up en heeyuh..0
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Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.celner4_ESO wrote: »OP, I am sorely disappointed.
Your title made it sound like ZOS had announced weapon dyes.
@AlnilamE
Should I change the title? maybe "long enough wait"? They have announced Transmog being developed and in the works which means weapon dyes is a very likely possibility, just not for sure specifically with weapon dying. Not trying to be shadey with the title I’ll change it sorry...
His hopes were crushed lol
On a side note. I intend to keep inquiring on this thread until an answer is provided1 -
celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »celner4_ESO wrote: »OP, I am sorely disappointed.
Your title made it sound like ZOS had announced weapon dyes.
@AlnilamE
Should I change the title? maybe "long enough wait"? They have announced Transmog being developed and in the works which means weapon dyes is a very likely possibility, just not for sure specifically with weapon dying. Not trying to be shadey with the title I’ll change it sorry...
His hopes were crushed lol
On a side note. I intend to keep inquiring on this thread until an answer is provided
Its very disheartening that the devs have been tagged SEVERAL times in this thread for the past 2 weeks and they've said nothing. When its a crown store problem, oh the attention provided there from devs is undivided...Hide ya kids, hide ya wife, n' hide ya husband too cuz he be gankin' erybody up en heeyuh..0 -
BrianDavion✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Stovahkiin wrote: »I do want to be able to change the colors, but only to an extent. I don't want to see people running around in cyrodiil with wedding dresses and rainbow swords...It's insulting enough when they destroy you while wearing the wedding dress alone ;(
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AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭celner4_ESO wrote: »OP, I am sorely disappointed.
Your title made it sound like ZOS had announced weapon dyes.
@AlnilamE
Should I change the title? maybe "long enough wait"? They have announced Transmog being developed and in the works which means weapon dyes is a very likely possibility, just not for sure specifically with weapon dying. Not trying to be shadey with the title I’ll change it sorry...
Thank you!Nelson_Rebel wrote: »celner4_ESO wrote: »OP, I am sorely disappointed.
Your title made it sound like ZOS had announced weapon dyes.
@AlnilamE
Should I change the title? maybe "long enough wait"? They have announced Transmog being developed and in the works which means weapon dyes is a very likely possibility, just not for sure specifically with weapon dying. Not trying to be shadey with the title I’ll change it sorry...
His hopes were crushed lol
On a side note. I intend to keep inquiring on this thread until an answer is provided
Sort of. I don't care about it that much, but I have guildies who have been complaining about it for years.BrianDavion wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »I do want to be able to change the colors, but only to an extent. I don't want to see people running around in cyrodiil with wedding dresses and rainbow swords...It's insulting enough when they destroy you while wearing the wedding dress alone ;(
but a bright red sword is ok?
It has absorbed the blood of your enemies. That's why it's red. :-PThe Moot Councillor0