Maintenance for the week of January 5:
· [COMPLETE] NA megaservers for maintenance – January 7, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 10:00AM EST (15:00 UTC)
· [COMPLETE] EU megaservers for maintenance – January 7, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 10:00AM EST (15:00 UTC)
· [COMPLETE] NA megaservers for maintenance – January 7, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 10:00AM EST (15:00 UTC)
· [COMPLETE] EU megaservers for maintenance – January 7, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 10:00AM EST (15:00 UTC)
WEAPON DYES! We've waited and waited... Shields only? Really?
-
khele23eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Theres no excuse not to have this. Immersion is not one. I guarantee there'd l be an improvement in immersion with a large chunk of red/pink weapons currently wielded by everyone replaced by steel colored ones.P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.3 -
Incognitius✭✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Yes please, give me back my steel swords. And I want my ebony weapons to be, you know, ebony. >.>2 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Its been a long wait....
....and the wait is long from over.1 -
celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »Theres no excuse not to have this. Immersion is not one. I guarantee there'd l be an improvement in immersion with a large chunk of red/pink weapons currently wielded by everyone replaced by steel colored ones.
Well said about their apparent "immersion issue"...Hide ya kids, hide ya wife, n' hide ya husband too cuz he be gankin' erybody up en heeyuh..0 -
celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Its been a long wait....
....and the wait is long from over.
I feel like because the slot for the weapon is there in the dye tool that it must be coming, but then again it could be there for no apparent reason too and we will be SOL, which with how long we've been waiting for it already seems that it might be the case I suppose
Hide ya kids, hide ya wife, n' hide ya husband too cuz he be gankin' erybody up en heeyuh..1 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.celner4_ESO wrote: »I feel like because the slot for the weapon is there in the dye tool that it must be coming, but then again it could be there for no apparent reason too and we will be SOL, which with how long we've been waiting for it already seems that it might be the case I suppose
Just another one of those features that either got dropped mid-development, or the image is just a troll placeholder. Let's hope the upcoming transmogrification feature solves all our problems.0 -
MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. Don't add Weapon Dyes to the game.No other option as I don't really give a rat's ass what my vMA weapons look like.0 -
celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.MehrunesFlagon wrote: »No other option as I don't really give a rat's ass what my vMA weapons look like.
Insightful. Thank you
Hide ya kids, hide ya wife, n' hide ya husband too cuz he be gankin' erybody up en heeyuh..0 -
celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.
@AlMcFlycelner4_ESO wrote: »I feel like because the slot for the weapon is there in the dye tool that it must be coming, but then again it could be there for no apparent reason too and we will be SOL, which with how long we've been waiting for it already seems that it might be the case I suppose
Just another one of those features that either got dropped mid-development, or the image is just a troll placeholder. Let's hope the upcoming transmogrification feature solves all our problems.
Wait is Transmogging in actual development to be implemented into the game?? Where’s more information on this if so?Edited by celner4_ESO on July 25, 2017 7:08PMHide ya kids, hide ya wife, n' hide ya husband too cuz he be gankin' erybody up en heeyuh..0 -
Tyrobag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.celner4_ESO wrote: »celner4_ESO wrote: »I feel like because the slot for the weapon is there in the dye tool that it must be coming, but then again it could be there for no apparent reason too and we will be SOL, which with how long we've been waiting for it already seems that it might be the case I suppose
Just another one of those features that either got dropped mid-development, or the image is just a troll placeholder. Let's hope the upcoming transmogrification feature solves all our problems.
Wait is Transmogging in actual development to be implemented into the game?? Where’s more information on this if so?
Unfortunately, I think he's just being optimistic. Honestly, I'd like to see them drop next year's first quarter Dungeon DLC all together and do a cosmetic update instead. They can add weapon dyeing, transmog, and armor stands/weapon plaques for housing. Maybe even make jewelry visible! :O
Edit:Apparently they are adding transmog!Edited by Tyrobag on July 25, 2017 7:19PM0 -
WardogAce✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.I'm currently looking for the trolls that said no in this poll XD
Playing since October 2013You walk the narrow path that cuts between glory and sacrifice--valor and patience. You measure your pursuit of honor with reason and foresight.- Armazd Krikor: Stamina Sorcerer- DC Redguard | PVE/PVP DPS
- Artemis Mihr: Magicka Templar - EP Dunmer | PVP DPS
- Arwen Lucine: Magicka Sorcerer - DC Dunmer | PVE DPS
2 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.celner4_ESO wrote: »celner4_ESO wrote: »I feel like because the slot for the weapon is there in the dye tool that it must be coming, but then again it could be there for no apparent reason too and we will be SOL, which with how long we've been waiting for it already seems that it might be the case I suppose
Just another one of those features that either got dropped mid-development, or the image is just a troll placeholder. Let's hope the upcoming transmogrification feature solves all our problems.
Wait is Transmogging in actual development to be implemented into the game?? Where’s more information on this if so?
Unfortunately, I think he's just being optimistic. Honestly, I'd like to see them drop next year's first quarter Dungeon DLC all together and do a cosmetic update instead. They can add weapon dyeing, transmog, and armor stands/weapon plaques for housing. Maybe even make jewelry visible! :O
No, Matt Firor just announced it's in development:
http://wccftech.com/matt-firor-e3-2017-elder-scrolls-online/1 -
Tyrobag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.celner4_ESO wrote: »celner4_ESO wrote: »I feel like because the slot for the weapon is there in the dye tool that it must be coming, but then again it could be there for no apparent reason too and we will be SOL, which with how long we've been waiting for it already seems that it might be the case I suppose
Just another one of those features that either got dropped mid-development, or the image is just a troll placeholder. Let's hope the upcoming transmogrification feature solves all our problems.
Wait is Transmogging in actual development to be implemented into the game?? Where’s more information on this if so?
Unfortunately, I think he's just being optimistic. Honestly, I'd like to see them drop next year's first quarter Dungeon DLC all together and do a cosmetic update instead. They can add weapon dyeing, transmog, and armor stands/weapon plaques for housing. Maybe even make jewelry visible! :O
No, Matt Firor just announced it's in development:
http://wccftech.com/matt-firor-e3-2017-elder-scrolls-online/
Yay! I hadn't seen that. "No ETA" but still better than not doing it.
1 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.celner4_ESO wrote: »celner4_ESO wrote: »I feel like because the slot for the weapon is there in the dye tool that it must be coming, but then again it could be there for no apparent reason too and we will be SOL, which with how long we've been waiting for it already seems that it might be the case I suppose
Just another one of those features that either got dropped mid-development, or the image is just a troll placeholder. Let's hope the upcoming transmogrification feature solves all our problems.
Wait is Transmogging in actual development to be implemented into the game?? Where’s more information on this if so?
Unfortunately, I think he's just being optimistic. Honestly, I'd like to see them drop next year's first quarter Dungeon DLC all together and do a cosmetic update instead. They can add weapon dyeing, transmog, and armor stands/weapon plaques for housing. Maybe even make jewelry visible! :O
No, Matt Firor just announced it's in development:
http://wccftech.com/matt-firor-e3-2017-elder-scrolls-online/
Yay! I hadn't seen that. "No ETA" but still better than not doing it.
Yeah I wanted transmog from ESO launch (coming from MMO's which had it), and felt super trolled when they introduced shield dying ignoring weapons. 0 -
celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.celner4_ESO wrote: »celner4_ESO wrote: »I feel like because the slot for the weapon is there in the dye tool that it must be coming, but then again it could be there for no apparent reason too and we will be SOL, which with how long we've been waiting for it already seems that it might be the case I suppose
Just another one of those features that either got dropped mid-development, or the image is just a troll placeholder. Let's hope the upcoming transmogrification feature solves all our problems.
Wait is Transmogging in actual development to be implemented into the game?? Where’s more information on this if so?
Unfortunately, I think he's just being optimistic. Honestly, I'd like to see them drop next year's first quarter Dungeon DLC all together and do a cosmetic update instead. They can add weapon dyeing, transmog, and armor stands/weapon plaques for housing. Maybe even make jewelry visible! :O
No, Matt Firor just announced it's in development:
http://wccftech.com/matt-firor-e3-2017-elder-scrolls-online/
Yay! I hadn't seen that. "No ETA" but still better than not doing it.
Yeah I wanted transmog from ESO launch (coming from MMO's which had it), and felt super trolled when they introduced shield dying ignoring weapons.
It is a total troll!! And this long of a wait on top of the fact that the game is being hammer by bugs and lag and crashes and has been over all for a while now... At least be productive and have something to show for it...
Hide ya kids, hide ya wife, n' hide ya husband too cuz he be gankin' erybody up en heeyuh..2 -
Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.This poll has been done soooooosooooosssooo many times now with the Overwhelming majority saying. YES ALREADY!!!
The damn weapons already look a stupid pink anyways. Who gives a crap? People dye their armor bright pink, blue, gold and all sorts of stupid silly colors. There's literally NO logical reason to not have already added this by now.
My personal opinion is that the team is just to incompetent to put in the work to actually complete it without breaking everything in the process
@ZOS_GinaBruno this is the threadEdited by Nelson_Rebel on July 25, 2017 9:39PM1 -
Looeeze✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.I don't even care if they are plain basic "boring" colours like steel, pewter etc... if I have to wield one more stupid red weapon I may go insane!! I've taken to making my weapons in other materials and forgoing the extra damage just to avoid red weapons... if anything I would have said red would be a better beginner colour in place of iron and jute and rawhide and maple because it is very easy to see the nodes from afar for new players eyes and they only have to temporarily be subjected to red weapons... yes I am passionate about getting weapon dyes!
Xbox One - North America4 -
celner4_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »This poll has been done soooooosooooosssooo many times now with the Overwhelming majority saying. YES ALREADY!!!
The damn weapons already look a stupid pink anyways. Who gives a crap? People dye their armor bright pink, blue, gold and all sorts of stupid silly colors. There's literally NO logical reason to not have already added this by now.
My personal opinion is that the team is just to incompetent to put in the work to actually complete it without breaking everything in the process
@ZOS_GinaBruno this is the thread
I really sincerely believe there is some type of severe incompetence somewhere ZOS , whether it's in management or their employees, the lack of know how and constant shift of priorities, which are both known problems if you go look at employee reviews for ZOS...
Literally their revenue from the crown store alone should be PLENTY to have a competent and hefty coding and development team. But they invest more in what will make them more money and not what will make the game great and grow.
ZOS and many of gaming corporations don’t seem to understand that having a great game that runs awesome and gives we the players a fantastic experience is proven to be the best way to grow your subscription base and fan base, in turn increasing revenue and player incentive to support the game by buying in game cosmetics and other convenience related items in the micro-transaction stores. BUT that idea completely wafts over their heads for some reason and I think its just purely because of lack of work ethic which sadly cant be bought or earned, only taught and learned.
But they will not change their ways until they are forced to, it is what it is and theirs nothing we the fans can do about it accept beg them to see the light Edited by celner4_ESO on July 25, 2017 10:07PMHide ya kids, hide ya wife, n' hide ya husband too cuz he be gankin' erybody up en heeyuh..0 -
Arundo✭✭✭✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Should be in the game already, why shield yes and the rest no ?1 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »
The only "rational" reason is because shields are less work than weapons, and they chose to take the "half-finished" (or "half-assed" if you prefer) approach to adding dyes. There are TONS of weapons in game, and lots of Motifs have three styles (model designs) per weapon based on character level involved. The majority of shield have only one design per Motif.
Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is that their Lead Devs looked at how much work it would take to do and just said "well f*ck that."1 -
Tyrobag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »
The only "rational" reason is because shields are less work than weapons, and they chose to take the "half-finished" (or "half-assed" if you prefer) approach to adding dyes. There are TONS of weapons in game, and lots of Motifs have three styles (model designs) per weapon based on character level involved. The majority of shield have only one design per Motif.
Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is that their Lead Devs looked at how much work it would take to do and just said "well f*ck that."
Actually, all of the weapons in game already have color mapping. Notice that they change with material color and with improvement level. It would be way easier to implement weapon dyeing than it was to add armor dyeing, since the entire structure for the system is already there.1 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »
The only "rational" reason is because shields are less work than weapons, and they chose to take the "half-finished" (or "half-assed" if you prefer) approach to adding dyes. There are TONS of weapons in game, and lots of Motifs have three styles (model designs) per weapon based on character level involved. The majority of shield have only one design per Motif.
Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is that their Lead Devs looked at how much work it would take to do and just said "well f*ck that."
Actually, all of the weapons in game already have color mapping. Notice that they change with material color and with improvement level. It would be way easier to implement weapon dyeing than it was to add armor dyeing, since the entire structure for the system is already there.
Yes, I had a discussion on this point at length when I made a Dye Weapons poll back in January:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/317383/dye-weapons-with-morrowind/p1
One key difference you are overlooking: there are only 10 colors on each weapon currently because there are only ten crafting tiers. How many dye colors are there at the Dye Station? Here you go:
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Dyes
There are ~200 dyes on that page. That is 200 color palettes that need to be added to every weapon in the game. My point still stands true. The work is a massive undertaking.
The other key point you are overlooking: Armor dying, as an original task, was already implemented before Shield dying. Shield dying came later. My original point was that by the time they got to the idea of Weapons, they likely said "F*ck it", and abandoned the notion temporarily.
What you've said doesn't refute any of my original point.
Edited by AlMcFly on July 25, 2017 11:41PM0 -
Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »
The only "rational" reason is because shields are less work than weapons, and they chose to take the "half-finished" (or "half-assed" if you prefer) approach to adding dyes. There are TONS of weapons in game, and lots of Motifs have three styles (model designs) per weapon based on character level involved. The majority of shield have only one design per Motif.
Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is that their Lead Devs looked at how much work it would take to do and just said "well f*ck that."
Actually, all of the weapons in game already have color mapping. Notice that they change with material color and with improvement level. It would be way easier to implement weapon dyeing than it was to add armor dyeing, since the entire structure for the system is already there.
Yes, I had a discussion on this point at length when I made a Dye Weapons poll back in January:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/317383/dye-weapons-with-morrowind/p1
One key difference you are overlooking: there are only 10 colors on each weapon currently because there are only ten crafting tiers. How many dye colors are there at the Dye Station? Here you go:
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Dyes
There are ~200 dyes on that page. That is 200 color palettes that need to be added to every weapon in the game. My point still stands true. The work is a massive undertaking.
The other key point you are overlooking: Armor dying, as an original task, was already implemented before Shield dying. Shield dying came later. My original point was that by the time they got to the idea of Weapons, they likely said "F*ck it", and abandoned the notion temporarily.
What you've said doesn't refute any of my original point.
ZOS has had 3 years that this issue has been brought up to actually work on this
There isn't a feasible excuse that the coders haven't even worked on this at all while they did with everything else dyeable0 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »ZOS has had 3 years that this issue has been brought up to actually work on this
There isn't a feasible excuse that the coders haven't even worked on this at all while they did with everything else dyeable
Meh. I've wanted to dye weapons since launch, but the game is owned by ZOS. Any "excuse" they make is a "feasible" excuse, because they have the right to make any decision they want. They just didn't prioritize it yet. Neither you nor I really have any clout to say their reasons aren't valid.0 -
Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »ZOS has had 3 years that this issue has been brought up to actually work on this
There isn't a feasible excuse that the coders haven't even worked on this at all while they did with everything else dyeable
Meh. I've wanted to dye weapons since launch, but the game is owned by ZOS. Any "excuse" they make is a "feasible" excuse, because they have the right to make any decision they want. They just didn't prioritize it yet. Neither you nor I really have any clout to say their reasons aren't valid.
I guess if I was sleazy businessman that would be my line of thinking as well.
"Because we make the rules, you have to accept it. Even though it's completely hypocritical"
Just because that's what's being fed to us doesn't mean we have to accept it as normal. Many of us pay a monthly subscription on top of the base game cost and all other purchases.
I feel it more than necessary to push for logical improvements to a product that I am continually paying for, and for ever increasing prices of the games functions0 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.This is a really dumb thing to argue about but...Nelson_Rebel wrote: »I guess if I was sleazy businessman that would be my line of thinking as well.
"Because we make the rules, you have to accept it. Even though it's completely hypocritical"
There is nothing "hypocritical", by definition of the word hypocritical, about the statement you just made. ZOS owns this product in conjunction with Bethesda. They have built their vision for this game the way they see fit, and they are 100% in their right to do this. They are NOT sleazy for building this game the way they want. It is THEIR game.
You, on the other hand, have zero moral or legal say in the matter because: A. You (likely) have zero ownership of this game, and B. a discussion of "morality" has no place in this conversation.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »Just because that's what's being fed to us doesn't mean we have to accept it as normal.
Sure, you're not forced to accept a game like this. You're free to voice your opinion or leave whenever you want. That's about as far as your power goes.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »Many of us pay a monthly subscription on top of the base game cost and all other purchases.
And that subscription you pay gives you no moral or legal power to dictate anything in this game. If you buy an apple from a farmer, but it tastes disgusting, you can ask for your money back. You could even tell that farmer how to better plant apple seeds in the future. That farmer is NOT obligated to give you your money back, nor is he obligated to later adopt your advice on farming. ZOS is the farmer in this scenario, and you are the person who is buying sour apples from the farmer.
1 -
Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.This is a really dumb thing to argue about but...Nelson_Rebel wrote: »I guess if I was sleazy businessman that would be my line of thinking as well.
"Because we make the rules, you have to accept it. Even though it's completely hypocritical"
There is nothing "hypocritical", by definition of the word hypocritical, about the statement you just made. ZOS owns this product in conjunction with Bethesda. They have built their vision for this game the way they see fit, and they are 100% in their right to do this. They are NOT sleazy for building this game the way they want. It is THEIR game.
You, on the other hand, have zero moral or legal say in the matter because: A. You (likely) have zero ownership of this game, and B. a discussion of "morality" has no place in this conversation.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »Just because that's what's being fed to us doesn't mean we have to accept it as normal.
Sure, you're not forced to accept a game like this. You're free to voice your opinion or leave whenever you want. That's about as far as your power goes.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »Many of us pay a monthly subscription on top of the base game cost and all other purchases.
And that subscription you pay gives you no moral or legal power to dictate anything in this game. If you buy an apple from a farmer, but it tastes disgusting, you can ask for your money back. You could even tell that farmer how to better plant apple seeds in the future. That farmer is NOT obligated to give you your money back, nor is he obligated to later adopt your advice on farming. ZOS is the farmer in this scenario, and you are the person who is buying sour apples from the farmer.
And one I'm completely content no longer supporting if this is the line of thinking you're encouraging
Make everything as awful as possible because it has legal validity behind it.
SureEdited by Nelson_Rebel on July 26, 2017 1:15AM0 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. Add Weapon Dyes to the game.Nelson_Rebel wrote: »
And one I'm completely conten no longer supporting if this is the line of thinking your are encouraging
Make everything as awful as possible because it has legal validity behind it.
Sure
Hyperbole.
Appeal to Extremes.0