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Don't stop here with the changes to proc sets: WE WANT CONDITIONS!
magorim
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Sup.
Well, I want conditions.
As the title says please don't stop here with the changes to proc sets, they are still free damage
just for wearing 5 or especially 2 pieces of armor without any downsides (sure, a bit less effective
in PvP yada yada yada).
Proc sets need real conditions a player has to meat (lol he wrote meat) that take some kind of effort
like we already have on some (e.g. Engine Guardian: Use ressources to get ressources back or e.g.
Molag Kena: Increased ressource cost for higher damage) and not a stupid ineffective X% chance that
procs a fixed number no matter what.
"But what about new and casual players bruh? Stop being elitist no moar nurfs! PvE rulez!". You would
insult the majority of ESO players if you think they can't handle simple conditions.
TL;DR
No conditions bad. Add conditions to proc sets. A X% chance doesn't count.
And why the heck do you add more and more proc sets with every update, Zenimax? Stop with that dude.
Well, I want conditions.
As the title says please don't stop here with the changes to proc sets, they are still free damage
just for wearing 5 or especially 2 pieces of armor without any downsides (sure, a bit less effective
in PvP yada yada yada).
Proc sets need real conditions a player has to meat (lol he wrote meat) that take some kind of effort
like we already have on some (e.g. Engine Guardian: Use ressources to get ressources back or e.g.
Molag Kena: Increased ressource cost for higher damage) and not a stupid ineffective X% chance that
procs a fixed number no matter what.
"But what about new and casual players bruh? Stop being elitist no moar nurfs! PvE rulez!". You would
insult the majority of ESO players if you think they can't handle simple conditions.
TL;DR
No conditions bad. Add conditions to proc sets. A X% chance doesn't count.
And why the heck do you add more and more proc sets with every update, Zenimax? Stop with that dude.
Magorim stamsorc
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm ok with that . I'm excited to see the changes live . If there are more I don't mind . I really don't need armor doing the killing for me . I know a few people that don't even wear a full set to avoid the proc and still are awesome PvP'ers .0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Eh, what they're doing is already fixing the major issues people had with proc sets (getting instagibbed by instant damage procs), there's nothing wrong with having a chance to deal "free damage" in itself, after all you're giving up a 5-set bonus which could be significantly more useful for that chance.
Have you tried the current DoT proc sets in PvP (Sheer Venom, Vicecanon, Twin Sisters etc)? I have. They are not that impressive, and you won't kill a single good player using the FOTM heavy armor cancer builds or 20k shields with those.
If anything, these DoT values should be increased for them to be competitive in medium armor builds.
How to do that without simultaneously buffing the overtuned heavy armor builds which might choose to use these sets is another question though.
Also, since you don't want them to add more "proc sets" to the game, I'm curious - what kind of sets would you like to see instead? There isn't a lot of room for gear design if you don't want sets to include any kind of procs.
They've already done "+damage" with Julianos/Hunding's, they've done specific types of "+damage" with Automaton, War Maiden, Sun etc, they've done sustain, they've done cost reduction etc.Edited by DDuke on July 11, 2017 6:04PM1 -
SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
✭There is no such thing as "free dmge", you are always giving up other strong 5p sets for it. There is nothing wrong with proc set itselfs, but with stackable, without counter play ones.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sigh.... just play the game. An endless cycle of nerfs and bufffs that have not made the game better. I already tried PTS I still killed all the same people I could always kill. Well that were on the PTS.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.0 -
magorim✭✭✭
Ya.Eh, what they're doing is already fixing the major issues people had with proc sets (getting instagibbed by instant damage procs), there's nothing wrong with having a chance to deal "free damage" in itself, after all you're giving up a 5-set bonus which could be significantly more useful for that chance.
Have you tried the current DoT proc sets in PvP (Sheer Venom, Vicecanon, Twin Sisters etc)? I have. They are not that impressive, and you won't kill a single good player using the FOTM heavy armor cancer builds or 20k shields with those.
If anything, these DoT values should be increased for them to be competitive in medium armor builds.
How to do that without simultaneously buffing the overtuned heavy armor builds which might choose to use these sets is another question though.
I don't know I'm not the most creative person but I would like to see something like we see with vMA weapons, stuff that changes skills not only the damage but how they work. An example I haven't thought through would be: Rapid strikes deals it's damage now instant (like surprise attack but without the penetration). I don't know it's just an idea but running around proccing poop left and right is dumb. Even in PvE.Also, since you don't want them to add more "proc sets" to the game, I'm curious - what kind of sets would you like to see instead? There isn't a lot of room for gear design if you don't want sets to include any kind of procs.
They've already done "+damage" with Julianos/Hunding's, they've done specific types of "+damage" with Automaton, War Maiden, Sun etc, they've done sustain, they've done cost reduction etc.
Of course it is free damage. You could be out of ressources and still do damage with light attacks proccing bears 'cause there aren't real conditions.There is no such thing as "free dmge", you are always giving up other strong 5p sets for it. There is nothing wrong with proc set itselfs, but with stackable, without counter play ones.
Please read the second line of my first post. Thanks.Change WE to I and you have something until then you don't speak for everyone.
Cool story.Sigh.... just play the game. An endless cycle of nerfs and bufffs that have not made the game better. I already tried PTS I still killed all the same people I could always kill. Well that were on the PTS.Edited by magorim on July 11, 2017 6:54PMMagorim stamsorc0 -
SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
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Of course it is free damage. You could be out of ressources and still do damage with light attacks proccing bears 'cause there aren't real conditions.There is no such thing as "free dmge", you are always giving up other strong 5p sets for it. There is nothing wrong with proc set itselfs, but with stackable, without counter play ones.
And? You are trading, oh I don't know, 600 weapon and spell dmge from alchemist for example for it. There is nothing free about that.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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magorim✭✭✭You have to drink a potion every 45 seconds while I would have a hard hitting bear every 4 seconds if I'm lucky, without any downside.Magorim stamsorc0
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SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
✭You have to drink a potion every 45 seconds while I would have a hard hitting bear every 4 seconds if I'm lucky, without any downside.
You don't seem to understand what is free and what is a tradeoff.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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Tyrobag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭How about no? This is exactly where they should stop with proc set changes, they've addressed the pvp issues without completely killing them for pve. As for why they add more proc sets, its because they are cool and add diversity. Armor sets would be boring AF if all for the 5 piece bonuses were just "Adds X stats".0 -
magorim✭✭✭
My bad.
Oh my god, like you know that volcano proc is so awesome!How about no? This is exactly where they should stop with proc set changes, they've addressed the pvp issues without completely killing them for pve. As for why they add more proc sets, its because they are cool and add diversity. Armor sets would be boring AF if all for the 5 piece bonuses were just "Adds X stats".Magorim stamsorc0