Stamina shield

MajBludd

Doesn't a mag user stack spell damage and is tank af cause if ward? What are you talking about lol

Feanor

Try reaching 6k spell damage. Try reaching 6k weapons damage. Tell me what is absurdly easier.

MajBludd

Oh, I agree a tank should be a tank, a damage dealer just that, a healer a healer. I don't agree with being able to tank and deal as much dps as a glass canon.

QuebraRegra

Feanor wrote: »

What is the issue you're trying to change? Ah. You want to stack weapon damage through the roof and still be tanky asf. No thanks. The game is not called Elder StamNBs Online. Yet.

What you don't see is that high burst should always come at the price of being really squishy. A stam shield would break that.

I agree with that. That said, I can stack MAG and increase both DMG and DEF (using shield) on my MAGBLADE... even more so now with MUNDIS changes.

They nerfed resources, so in theory, the STAMBLADE pulls all it's DMG from the same pool it would pull it's DEF from (were there a proper STAM sheild), so the limiting factor would be the limited resource pool.

MajBludd

Never had that much weapon damage myself. But if I did it would come at a price, I'm sure. But a mag user can hit 25% health pop ward get a hell of a damage shield and keep on dealing damage while I have to roll around like im in breaking 2 electric bugaloo and can deal no damage.

Betheny

In case you haven't figured out the answer yet, it's a resounding NO.

It will still be NO the next fifty times you post in this thread. Which I expect will be within the next half hour or less...

Feanor

ZOS designed the classes to have different signature defenses. Sorcs have hardened Ward but no burst heal, Templars have no useful class shield (Blazplars are different) but a strong burst heal, NBs have cloak, and DKs have strong mitigation.

At the beginning of the game Stamina versions were not a thing at all. They developed over a long time. The signature defense of stam is dodging either actively or passively and using HoTs. The signature defense of Magicka chars is burst heals and shields.

Why is it so hard for you to grasp that adding one thing on top of the other would break the already tough to achieve balance even further?

MajBludd

Awe, thanks @Betheny. Are you a mag build by any chance?

QuebraRegra

MajBludd wrote: »

Oh, I agree a tank should be a tank, a damage dealer just that, a healer a healer. I don't agree with being able to tank and deal as much dps as a glass canon.

would accept that if BONESHIELD which scales off health also gave some kinda heal, like HEAL WARD.

MajBludd

Why is it so hard to grasp that ward is a strong defense. If it wasn't why would they make a set just to deal with it, why would they make a cp passive just to deal with it?

leepalmer95

MajBludd wrote: »

Why is it so hard to grasp that ward is a strong defense. If it wasn't why would they make a set just to deal with it, why would they make a cp passive just to deal with it?

They made the cp passive to counter the one that boost it..

They introduced shieldbreaker because wards we God mode in 1.6.

Betheny

MajBludd wrote: »

Awe, thanks @Betheny. Are you a mag build by any chance?

Oh look, he's trying to build a case against me...first sign of having lost control of a thread is quoting people and trying to nitpick.

Feanor

Yes. Ward is strong. Because it's the only thing Sorcs for example have!

Betheny

No wait, that's the second sign. First sign is having like 300 people all disagree with you.

MajBludd

Nope, I wanted a discussion and here come the sorcs to the defense of ward. I appreciate the insightful posts that have good info and thought to them.

idk

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

Stamina already has better defense, so doesn't need shields AND heals AND infinite dodge rolls AND evade chance.

Basically this ^^^^ plus has vigor and blade cloak stam is in good chape for damage reduction.

vigor is the only real heal stam has (not using 2h), and it offers NO dmg mitigation whatsoever.. it's a heal

Blade cloak only affects AOEs, it's basically garbage.

I'd suggest considering the entire post Instead of an arrow focus on one thing.

1. Stam has access to significant cost reduction from medium armor passives. Can dodge roll much more
2. Stam can block more often.
3. Stam has vigor for a heal and it is used extreemly well by many skilled players in PvE and PvP.
4. Blade cloak isn't garbage. It is heavily used in PvE and more so since the recent buff.

Skilled players make it work very well with Stam. Many using vigor make it look at though it works as a shield because they know when it's best to use it.

Stam doesn't need a comparable shield and will not be getting one due to having superior access to block and dodge roll abs additional mitigation and a fabulous heal.

Betheny

Maybe OP's problem is he builds really crappy stamina characters and just thinks he really really needs a shield.

Feanor

Yes, we come to the defense of Ward because your suggestion is ridiculous. The equivalent would be if I wanted Double Take or Breath of Life on top of my ward. Maybe that makes it clearer how broken your suggestion would be.

MajBludd

@betheny you are silly. People like you come to a post and bring nothing to it. All you do is post negative words for some reason or another. Why so hateful? I made a post if you don't agree state your reasons and nothing more. How hard is that?

As far as my builds or a skill, what do you know? Have you dueled me or fought me in cyro? I don't know maybe you have. Maybe I died maybe you died, no clue.

Morbash

Betheny wrote: »

Maybe OP's problem is he builds really crappy stamina characters and just thinks he really really needs a shield.

SHOTS FIRED!

Betheny

MajBludd wrote: »

@betheny you are.silly. people like you come to a post and bring nothing to it. All you do is fast negative words for some reason or another. Why so hateful? I made a post if you don't agree state your reasons and nothing more. How hard is that?

As far as my builds or a skill, what do you know? Have you dueled me or fought me in cyro? I don't know maybe you have. Maybe I died maybe you died, no clue.

Let's see...literally everyone except your one bum buddy has explained why your idea is terrible. You might have noticed that me who apparently (according to you brings) nothing to a post also explained why your idea was terrible...yet you're still going on about it as if saying the same thing over and over again bumping your own thread every 30 seconds will change our minds.

Looks like I hit the soft spot though, you're targeting my posts above all others.

MajBludd

Hateful

Betheny

MajBludd

And hardly hit a soft spot, lol. It's a game, if this upset me I have no clue how I would have made it this far in life

Tryxus

Vonbone

Simple fix to ward and shields in general. Make it to where you can crit on it. Then have the cost increased each time you use it in a fixed amounted of time like dodge roll does.

Juhasow

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

Well, I understand vigor and momentum, but neither of those give a shield and a heal like ward does. A sorcerer has heals, a magplar, and mnb has swallow soul. So, why couldn't stam get a shield similar to ward without the heal at the end?

Like someone mentioned before it was done once on PTS and stamina users was too strong. It was bone shield that they changed and maked it scaling of max stamina instead of max hp. They reverted changes after 1 week because stamina users in PvP was simply too strong. Despite heals which both stamina nad magicka users have magicka have only wards to defense when stamina have roll dodge and block plus also can break free more freely.

If break free and roll dodge would start to cost magicka then I am fine with stamina shields

you can get a MAG based block by using a frost staff. Happy now?

Did I mentioned anything about magicka blocking ? No. I said roll dodge and break free.
By wearing ice staff I am sacrificing dmg in many aspects from passives to statuss effects and also I am unable to heavy attack because I'll taunt enemie so I am unable to be damage dealer in PvE and PvP because despite that 1 passive for 1 certain weapon magicka based block have nothing more and on back bar You would still have stamina based block. Magicka block is just a joke.
Your point is invalid.

Eirella

Vonbone wrote: »

Simple fix to ward and shields in general. Make it to where you can crit on it. Then have the cost increased each time you use it in a fixed amounted of time like dodge roll does.

What a terrible idea.

Tasear

I will support you in buffing bone shield. Yes yes let's do this...bring frost too. Oh imagine the chaos, but power it would bring!



P.S O.P sounds like are better suited to Magicka classes, go try one out

Juhasow

Vonbone wrote: »

Simple fix to ward and shields in general. Make it to where you can crit on it. Then have the cost increased each time you use it in a fixed amounted of time like dodge roll does.

Ok so also give shields the resistances of caster and make shields beeing able to crit so 12k shield can crit to 20k and have 15k resistances but You'll be able to deal critical dmg to it. Also if shield is more expensive with each recast then each heal or even dmg ability should be also when spammed.
Ballanced ?