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MajBludd
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Will Stam ever get a shield that is comparible with ward?
  • DivinityDay
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    I can't see why, since you can roll dodge more often.
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  • vyndral13preub18_ESO
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    Tried it once on the pts. It was to much. Stam for dodge/break free. Large shield. Shuffle. Vigor. It is just to much.

    Something would have to eat a large nerf.
  • MajBludd
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    Well, I understand vigor and momentum, but neither of those give a shield and a heal like ward does. A sorcerer has heals, a magplar, and mnb has swallow soul. So, why couldn't stam get a shield similar to ward without the heal at the end?
    Edited by MajBludd on July 11, 2017 3:00PM
  • Elvenpath
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    MajBludd wrote: »
    Will Stam ever get a shield that is comparible with ward?

    Ok, if they remove stam cost of roll dodge for magicka users (only for magicka users) accepted. you get your shield, so i dodge everything. This is fair way.
  • Scyantific
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    Because you can still dodge while the shield is up, so there are 2 sources of damage mitigation right there. Magicka classes don't have the resources to dodge roll infinitely so that's why we get damage shields.
  • Betheny
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    Stamina already has better defense, so doesn't need shields AND heals AND infinite dodge rolls AND evade chance.
  • casparian
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    As vyndral already explained, ZOS tried this already: Bone Shield used to scale off stamina for a brief time. It didn't work. With that change, stam builds had HOTs equal to magicka builds, shields equal to magicka builds, dodge chance through Shuffle, and massively superior access to dodge roll and break free. Players experimented with that, and it was too much.
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  • MajBludd
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    Mag has just as much burst or more in some cases than stam does. They can root and take out your ability to roll dodge. If they made it easier or somehow made it so a mag user could roll dodge it would not bother me.

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    Brawler. Find zerg and spam it. Infinite shield.
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  • MajBludd
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    Things have changed a lot since bone shield, don't you agree?
  • Juhasow
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    MajBludd wrote: »
    Well, I understand vigor and momentum, but neither of those give a shield and a heal like ward does. A sorcerer has heals, a magplar, and mnb has swallow soul. So, why couldn't stam get a shield similar to ward without the heal at the end?

    Like someone mentioned before it was done once on PTS and stamina users was too strong. It was bone shield that they changed and maked it scaling of max stamina instead of max hp. They reverted changes after 1 week because stamina users in PvP was simply too strong. Despite heals which both stamina nad magicka users have magicka have only wards to defense when stamina have roll dodge and block plus also can break free more freely.

    If break free and roll dodge would start to cost magicka then I am fine with stamina shields :smiley:
    Edited by Juhasow on July 11, 2017 3:07PM
  • MajBludd
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    How long ago was this done? How many patches ago
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    Brawler is only useful against multiples where ward is all around
  • EnglishTea123
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    .... Stamina.... shields...? Okay, I know it's just a game taking place in a world that's not real, but can we please keep some things to the lore? Stamina-using spells are lore-breaking enough for Elder Scrolls series, and differentiating Stamina classes and Magicka classes. As to why anyone would like to have stamina shield is beyond me. Stamina has more viable item sets, more various playstyles, stamina tanks that are literal tanks. I can't see why stamina class would EVER need a shield. Not even for PvE, and DEFINITELY NOT for PvP. Also, you already have one, under Undaunted skill line... Stamina shield will break the game even more.
  • MajBludd
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    If I'm not mistaken that's when Stam was OP. Stam builds are not in the same place as they were then.
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    Stam builds are still pretty dominant in PvP.
  • QuebraRegra
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    MajBludd wrote: »
    Will Stam ever get a shield that is comparible with ward?

    I applaud this! For a hot second bone shield seemed promising... looks like trash now I think.

    Would like some real non-RNG based damage mitigation/shield... ideally with a heal too like HEALING WARD.
  • Scyantific
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    QuebraRegra wrote: »
    MajBludd wrote: »
    Will Stam ever get a shield that is comparible with ward?

    I applaud this! For a hot second bone shield seemed promising... looks like trash now I think.

    Would like some real non-RNG based damage mitigation/shield... ideally with a heal too like HEALING WARD.

    Ok then give magicka classes a magicka based dodge and maybe some instant damage proc sets like Selene and we'll call it even.
  • QuebraRegra
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    MajBludd wrote: »
    Well, I understand vigor and momentum, but neither of those give a shield and a heal like ward does. A sorcerer has heals, a magplar, and mnb has swallow soul. So, why couldn't stam get a shield similar to ward without the heal at the end?

    would love a stam based heal like SWALLOW SOUL... sorta vampiric, like heal for "x" amount of damage dome for 15 seconds (like bloodthirst, but not tied to a single combat skill).
  • MajBludd
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    Stam and mag have just as many playstyles. I see mag players tank just as good or better because of ward. I see magplars tank better than stamplars, mdk better then dk. I see mag builds do just as much or better burst.

    I'm not asking for a nerf to ward at all. I don't agree with nerfs, but when you don't run heavy armor and run all med you are lacking in defense. I give up defense for offense, but a mag user can run light armor and play damage dealer all because of ward.

    You say about roll dodge but you have AoE's, roots, angry birds, knockdowns, and resource poisons that all hinder that skill.

    I've played mag classes and used ward, vigor and momentum are not on the same level as healing ward.

    Edited by MajBludd on July 11, 2017 3:27PM
  • QuebraRegra
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    Scyantific wrote: »
    QuebraRegra wrote: »
    MajBludd wrote: »
    Will Stam ever get a shield that is comparible with ward?

    I applaud this! For a hot second bone shield seemed promising... looks like trash now I think.

    Would like some real non-RNG based damage mitigation/shield... ideally with a heal too like HEALING WARD.

    Ok then give magicka classes a magicka based dodge and maybe some instant damage proc sets like Selene and we'll call it even.

    you can get SELENEs helmut in light buffing MAG from the gold vendor. Why would a shield stacking MAG even bother to dodge?
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  • Scyantific
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    lmao yeah selene is totally legit on a mag class right folks? Also if you want to have a shield while having the ability to dodge damage, then I want to be able to reliably dodge damage and also have a shield. Simple as that.
  • QuebraRegra
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    MajBludd wrote: »
    Well, I understand vigor and momentum, but neither of those give a shield and a heal like ward does. A sorcerer has heals, a magplar, and mnb has swallow soul. So, why couldn't stam get a shield similar to ward without the heal at the end?

    Like someone mentioned before it was done once on PTS and stamina users was too strong. It was bone shield that they changed and maked it scaling of max stamina instead of max hp. They reverted changes after 1 week because stamina users in PvP was simply too strong. Despite heals which both stamina nad magicka users have magicka have only wards to defense when stamina have roll dodge and block plus also can break free more freely.

    If break free and roll dodge would start to cost magicka then I am fine with stamina shields :smiley:

    you can get a MAG based block by using a frost staff. Happy now? ;)
  • idk
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    Betheny wrote: »
    Stamina already has better defense, so doesn't need shields AND heals AND infinite dodge rolls AND evade chance.

    Basically this ^^^^ plus has vigor and blade cloak stam is in good chape for damage reduction.
  • MajBludd
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    Well, if a Stam shield is out of the question then take away ward and give mag a heal like vigor
  • QuebraRegra
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    Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »
    Betheny wrote: »
    Stamina already has better defense, so doesn't need shields AND heals AND infinite dodge rolls AND evade chance.

    Basically this ^^^^ plus has vigor and blade cloak stam is in good chape for damage reduction.

    vigor is the only real heal stam has (not using 2h), and it offers NO dmg mitigation whatsoever.. it's a heal

    Blade cloak only affects AOEs, it's basically garbage.
  • QuebraRegra
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    Scyantific wrote: »
    lmao yeah selene is totally legit on a mag class right folks? Also if you want to have a shield while having the ability to dodge damage, then I want to be able to reliably dodge damage and also have a shield. Simple as that.

    Honestly, I've always wanted each and every skill to have both a STAM and MAG morph option. I'd have no issue with a MAG version of ELUDE or SHUFFLE. Of course I'm not PVP focused.
  • KochDerDamonen
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    MajBludd wrote: »
    Well, if a Stam shield is out of the question then take away ward and give mag a heal like vigor
    Mag builds have a variety of magical heals and shields, and only enough stamina to use a roll or breakfree when essential.
    Stam builds have reliable dodging and breakfree, plus reliably cast... unreliable dodging, and a smaller variety of stamina based heals and shields

    Where's the problem?
    Edited by KochDerDamonen on July 11, 2017 3:47PM
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  • Feanor
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    What is the issue you're trying to change? Ah. You want to stack weapon damage through the roof and still be tanky asf. No thanks. The game is not called Elder StamNBs Online. Yet.

    What you don't see is that high burst should always come at the price of being really squishy. A stam shield would break that.
    Edited by Feanor on July 11, 2017 3:47PM
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  • vyndral13preub18_ESO
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    QuebraRegra wrote: »
    Scyantific wrote: »
    lmao yeah selene is totally legit on a mag class right folks? Also if you want to have a shield while having the ability to dodge damage, then I want to be able to reliably dodge damage and also have a shield. Simple as that.

    Honestly, I've always wanted each and every skill to have both a STAM and MAG morph option. I'd have no issue with a MAG version of ELUDE or SHUFFLE. Of course I'm not PVP focused.

    I think it is to late for this now, but I would have loved this as well.
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