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its suicide to be a Vamp in pvp right now....
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Do you use any enchants or anything to try an counter it?
Also... good. It's about time Vampire actually had a negative effect.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's true. I see a lone guy and I attack without checking which class he is. Suddenly I fly through the air by "take flight" (somehow I never see it coming and am knockbacked before I know it) and get flamewhipped while standing in puddles of fire and brimstone.
Well at least it's a good death. I prefer this then "heavy attack, viper, selene, red mountain, any execute"٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."3 -
Lieblingsjunge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah - and that's a trade-off you make when getting the benefits of the vampire skill-line.
You gotta ask yourself if it's worth the trade-off. More fire dmg vs. the Vampire's passive / active skills. It's good that vampires have some counter-play, as the passives are pretty solid.Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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DeHei✭✭✭✭✭Vampire is great. More sustain and with lower life the incoming damage is much lower. With under 10% life the incoming firedamage should be as lower with vampire as without
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Remember when FG skills were Super Effective vs vamps? Yeah, back then it was suicide to enter Cyro as a Vampire.
Right now, it's child's play"We're all born under the same sky and on the same earth. Therefore, we all deserve the same amount of respect."
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crusnik91✭✭✭✭There is a reason why I dont run vamp on most of my characters besides MagNB, which I can cloak to avoid fire damage dots and use shields to avoid crit DOT damage while under pressure
Or MagTemplar which I can just cleanse all of the fire DOT damage and have extremely high magic resistance from being a Breton (1% extra AP gain OP...)YT channel(Guides/Builds/gameplay)
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Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I run vamp and kind of like it. Great for the passive and sneaking speed.Edited by Morgul667 on July 10, 2017 10:56AM4 -
montjie✭✭✭Pretty doable on no-cp imo. Both my stamdk and magplar are vamps and having the time of their lives...or undeaths- easy farmable saltbucket -
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭This thread is titled:
"its suicide to be a Vamp in pvp right now...."
I 100% disagree with that statement...
I run a Vampire themed character (and make use of all the Vampiric Abilities) and it owns...
Yes, the weaknesses are significant, but you can absolutely work around them and thrive...
Unyeilding Bias
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
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I'm not saying they don't need some help in skills, but come on everyone plays them for sustain and DR with very little consequence.
Remember when normal fire was a worry for them? Now the only time they should be scared is trials bosses and even then most people will still be a vamp and do fine so...
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Anunakis✭✭✭hint : vampire is a ambush predator, so use it with ambush abilities , passives to boost your dmg and on pvp dmg is not all what u use , 2,6 k sdmg is enough to kill a tank1 -
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✭Catch 22 is it's also suicide not to be a vampire, at least for my magplar. There is no alternative to mistform.The generally amicable yet sporadically salty magplar that may or may not have 1vXed you in Sotha Sil. Who knows?6 -
Sweetpea704✭✭✭✭All my PVP characters are vamps. Stay out of the fire. Move around. Use your champ points to mitigate it or change your race to dark elf, if you prefer no cp. Add mist form to your bar to get away. Use a back bar resto and add a shield. I could never go back after getting use to the movement in stealth being so much faster.0
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✭✭✭✭✭7.2k prismatic glyph tooltip
+30% from infused
+ 30% from torugs
11520
-50% cooldown - 1s.
MWuahahahaPS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...2 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »7.2k prismatic glyph tooltip
+30% from infused
+ 30% from torugs
11520
-50% cooldown - 1s.
MWuahahaha
that's mean
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Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »7.2k prismatic glyph tooltip
+30% from infused
+ 30% from torugs
11520
-50% cooldown - 1s.
MWuahahaha
It's examples like this that make me wish they add a "for every enchant proc, it should use up 50% extra soul stone charge" counter mechanic. Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Sarno✭
I'm not saying they don't need some help in skills, but come on everyone plays them for sustain and DR with very little consequence.
Remember when normal fire was a worry for them? Now the only time they should be scared is trials bosses and even then most people will still be a vamp and do fine so...
I don't deny that some of the passives are really good, but active abilities could use buffs in my opinion.
Drain Essence is just bad. Channeled, short range ability, that requires you to be at 50% health or lower to catch up with other heals is just suicidal. Imo this should be either an instant debuff or heal for max health % instead of current.
Mist Form is usable only if your class does not have any other escape tool, otherwise you are gimping yourself hard, since it prevents you from being healed while you still continue to take damage (although reduced).
And Bat Swarm....Destro ult (and basicaly every other ult aoe) outclasses it by miles. The heal does not even help, because unless you are using heavy armor + shield build, you will get bursted through it.Edited by Sarno on July 11, 2017 6:06PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭I understand where you are coming from OP... Vamp is risky. MagDk damage is tough but manageable - it's actually Skoria that deters me from vamp on most toons. It hits like a truck normally but as vamp it's a freight train.0 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭
I'm not saying they don't need some help in skills, but come on everyone plays them for sustain and DR with very little consequence.
Remember when normal fire was a worry for them? Now the only time they should be scared is trials bosses and even then most people will still be a vamp and do fine so...
I don't deny that some of the passives are really good, but active abilities could use buffs in my opinion.
Drain Essence is just bad. Channeled, short range ability, that requires you to be at 50% health or lower to catch up with other heals is just suicidal. Imo this should be either an instant debuff or heal for max health % instead of current.
Mist Form is usable only if your class does not have any other escape tool, otherwise you are gimping yourself hard, since it prevents you from being healed while you still continue to take damage (although reduced).
And Bat Swarm....Destro ult (and basicaly every other ult aoe) outclasses it by miles. The heal does not even help, because unless you are using heavy armor + shield build, you will get bursted through it.
Completely disagree with you about all 3 abilities that you listed above...
The Morph to Drain Essence (Invigorating Drain) is golden (with the right build)...
Its at about 5.5k on my tool belt, so the damage is good...
Its a Hard Stun (that lasts 3 seconds, so its better than any stun available for a Magicka Templar) that goes through block...
It ignores Shuffle (and once it lands, continues to do damage to those who are cloaked), so your target cant evade the damage it does...
The heals it does are capable of procing the Combat Physician Damage Shield (which I champion through thick and thin), so not only do you heal yourself by using this ability, but you are able to simultaneously shield yourself as well...
It regens atleast 15 Ultimate per use; this amount can increase to as much as 25 per use if you've been damaged and are healing yourself...
Oh and btw, assuming you use the Vampire Lord gear set (which I also use), you get all of that goodness for a Magicka cost of only 1500; that's an unbeatable deal as pertains to bang for your buck...
The defensive benefit provided by Elusive Mist stacks with the defensive benefits provided by the Mighty Chudan (another set I champion religiously) Monster Set...
With that combo going, it requires a lot of focus fire to take you down...
Combined they are strong enough to allow you to Mist right through a breech (one that is overflowing with AoE) and survive; you can laugh at Eye of the Flame with this combo as well......
Devouring Swarm is very underrated...
Sure, it isn't as damaging as Eye of Flame, but at 3k+ healing per target per sec, you are essentially invulnerable for the 5 seconds it lasts (especially since it also procs the Combat Physician Damage Shield)...
No single person is going to burst me down given the healing this ability provides combined with the fact that it procs the damage shield, and the fact that I will be spamming Piercing Strikes during this 5 second window...
Assuming your targets are in the area of effect, it takes intense Focus Fire to kill you under these circimstances...
Oh and this Ult is a lot cheaper than Eye of Flame as well; it only costs 140 Ult, so its available often, and if used as I describe, you rarely die after using it in the mists of your enemies (unlike Eye of Flame; Eye of Flame users typically die after attempting to bomb...I rarely die afterwards)...
Off topic, but I actually explained the above build (which uses the abilities above as described) here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/357409/the-vampire-lord-magicka-templar-build#latest[url][/url]Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on July 12, 2017 10:23PMUnyeilding Bias
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Zbigb4life✭✭✭✭No one forces you to be a vampire. Stay out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat
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MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭Nerf the zombie look with vampire and make them like they were in the lore.
It looks more creepy and less ugly.0 -
Nutshotz✭✭✭✭The vamp speed is garbage, they never should of messed with it, they should revert the vamp speed now and put it back to the original speed!0
