So ... Why is Falkreath a dungeon?

bottleofsyrup

zaria wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

I mean its not something new. We already have a bosmer town turned into a dungeon (City of Ash). If the design is nice, then why not.

Yes, Falckreach is an tiny town, no issue having an city wall and the gate is dungeon entrance.

*twitch*

SydneyGrey

Falkreath is in Craglorn now.
O_0

Darlgon

JD2013 wrote: »

Okay so we can see that the town of Falkreath is a dungeon now.

But what if they want to build the rest of the Falkreath Hold area around it? The map will be without its biggest city if they add the rest of the map.

Does this seem an odd decision to anyone else?

You mean, like, Imperial City is the biggest city, but not really included in the Cyrodiil map?

mesmerizedish

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

mesmerizedish wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

This is the best news ever. It means they have no plans to expand skyrim. Which means they can finally work on expanding the AD zones.

andreasranasen wrote: »

Yes lawwdd. I'm so tired of all these EP/DC storylines. Give us a High-Elf chapter. After all, we are the most beautiful and the most powerful ones out of all races in Tamriel *sips tea*

Don't fight this argument, or i will unleash my destro ult on you

I'd rather see more orc stuff than trash elves honestly

This is funny because orcs are literally trash elves. (I'm not trying to start anything, that's just the actual origin of the orcs and I laughed)

Orcs are goblins. Don't listen to their lies about how they're actually elves. They're barely a step up in intelligence from beastfolk (if even that).

Orcs were present on Tamriel already when the Altmer showed up on the summerset isles. Not sure if the whole Trinimac thing retconned that or if its meant to be intentionally contradictory.

Lots of stuff was retconned between Daggerfall and Redguard to make the setting less generic fantasy. In Daggerfall, orcs were just a kind of goblin, not an intelligent race. Obviously, in the current lore that's not the case, even during the time Daggerfall takes place.

AzraelKrieg

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Falkreath is in Craglorn now.
O_0

Nope but the gate to the region is and that's where the dungeon entrance is

mesmerizedish

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Falkreath is in Craglorn now.
O_0

Nope but the gate to the region is and that's where the dungeon entrance is

Yeah if you look at some of the official maps of the whole continent you'll see that Elinhir and Falkreath are right next to each other.

SydneyGrey

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Nope but the gate to the region is and that's where the dungeon entrance is

Ah. That makes sense. I missed that part.

Elsonso

SydneyGrey wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Nope but the gate to the region is and that's where the dungeon entrance is

Ah. That makes sense. I missed that part.

In Skyrim (the game), if you head south from Falkreath on a road, you go through a mountain pass to get to a wall and gate at the Skyrim border. The other side of that gate is Craglorn.

In ESO, the other side of that mountain pass is near Elinhir. I always thought that would be the entrance to that portion of an open world Skyrim zone.

Rex-Umbra

I am pretty sure western Cyrodiil and SE Hammerfell are next already some assets data mined and lots of references in DB and TG zones.

Lord_Eomer

do not care its dungeon in sewers or city in a dungeon,

Just give me damn Monster Helm!

Berret

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Because Zeni decided that we just don't have enough Skyrim fanboys in eso yet

Worse fear.

Enodoc

You guys who still think there may be a separate Falkreath zone later are forgetting that the name of the dungeon is "Falkreath Hold". That basically precludes any future Falkreath zone because they've already used the region name.

And yes, it is a great shame that they've decided to do this, as it means they will never be able to fill in the whole map, and paves the way for choosing other regions down the line to only use for dungeons and not proper explorable areas.

redshirt_49

Hm, honestly would like them to actually finish up with adding the rest of Vvardenfell before they move on to adding new zones.

Though I wouldn't mind seeing the summerset mainland or elsweyr I'm not exactly dying to see it either.

OutLaw_Nynx

Please no more Skyrim

kamimark

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Orcs are goblins. Don't listen to their lies about how they're actually elves. They're barely a step up in intelligence from beastfolk (if even that).

That's insulting to goblins.

mesmerizedish

Enodoc wrote: »

You guys who still think there may be a separate Falkreath zone later are forgetting that the name of the dungeon is "Falkreath Hold". That basically precludes any future Falkreath zone because they've already used the region name.

And yes, it is a great shame that they've decided to do this, as it means they will never be able to fill in the whole map, and paves the way for choosing other regions down the line to only use for dungeons and not proper explorable areas.

Did you watch the dungeon preview during ESO Live? The dungeon may be called Falkreath Hold, but it's far from the whole hold.

It only precludes a future Falkreath overland zone if you somehow believe it's impossible for ZOS to have two versions of the same area, which is absurd. There are for more rational reasons that they'll never be able to fill in the whole map, such as "the lifespan of the game is probably not long enough." If ESO lasts long enough that they have the whole map filled in except for Falkreath, I'm sure they'll figure out a way to include it. But the point is largely academic, because it's really unlikely the game will last that long, unless they kick their content schedule into overdrive and start including like three full-sized zones in each chapter.

Enodoc

mesmerizedish wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

You guys who still think there may be a separate Falkreath zone later are forgetting that the name of the dungeon is "Falkreath Hold". That basically precludes any future Falkreath zone because they've already used the region name.

And yes, it is a great shame that they've decided to do this, as it means they will never be able to fill in the whole map, and paves the way for choosing other regions down the line to only use for dungeons and not proper explorable areas.

Did you watch the dungeon preview during ESO Live? The dungeon may be called Falkreath Hold, but it's far from the whole hold.

It only precludes a future Falkreath overland zone if you somehow believe it's impossible for ZOS to have two versions of the same area, which is absurd. There are for more rational reasons that they'll never be able to fill in the whole map, such as "the lifespan of the game is probably not long enough." If ESO lasts long enough that they have the whole map filled in except for Falkreath, I'm sure they'll figure out a way to include it. But the point is largely academic, because it's really unlikely the game will last that long, unless they kick their content schedule into overdrive and start including like three full-sized zones in each chapter.

Well yes, that's certainly true. While the aim may be to include "the whole of Tamriel" that will almost certainly never happen in the lifespan of the game. No, I don't believe it's impossible that ZOS would have two different versions of the same area, but I don't think they would do that. The storyline of Falkreath for this time period has now been written, and they're not going to write another storyline set in the same place for a zone questline, as that would be hard to integrate into the timeline. I realise the dungeon doesn't include the whole hold, and based on that I really don't understand why they're calling it Falkreath Hold instead of Falkreath. Falkreath as a name is much more ambiguous, as it could be inferred to be the name of the town or the name of the hold. If the dungeon just includes the town and the nearby surroundings, "Falkreath" would be a much more logical name.

Elsonso

Enodoc wrote: »

Well yes, that's certainly true. While the aim may be to include "the whole of Tamriel" that will almost certainly never happen in the lifespan of the game. No, I don't believe it's impossible that ZOS would have two different versions of the same area, but I don't think they would do that. The storyline of Falkreath for this time period has now been written, and they're not going to write another storyline set in the same place for a zone questline, as that would be hard to integrate into the timeline. I realise the dungeon doesn't include the whole hold, and based on that I really don't understand why they're calling it Falkreath Hold instead of Falkreath. Falkreath as a name is much more ambiguous, as it could be inferred to be the name of the town or the name of the hold. If the dungeon just includes the town and the nearby surroundings, "Falkreath" would be a much more logical name.

They can use a Falkreath Hold territory as an overworld zone with little conflict with the dungeon, so long as they have some way to keep people out of the area covered by the dungeon. This is easy enough to do with Falkreath Hold being a fortification. They could pin the overland zone to the story of the dungeon, and place it at the same time as the dungeon, or slightly before or after, in the timeline. They do not have to adhere to a strict timeline with the zones, in terms of how they are introduced to the game.

They don't have to keep the overland people out of the area covered by the dungeon. It depends on how they write the story for the area. The story for the area could be fixed at a point just before the dungeon, ending with the dungeon. The story for the area could be fixed just after the dungeon. They could allow the overland people into the area covered by the dungeon and use it as a quest hub.

I don't think they are going to do anything with southern Skyrim any time soon, though. They don't have a reason to go back to Skyrim until 2021, and if the game is still going, they probably will.

As for using the name Falkreath Hold, each of the areas of Skyrim has a main town. Whiterun and Falkreath have a town of the same name. My interpretation is that Falreath Hold, the region, is just named the same as the fortification, Falkreath Hold. Like New York. Later, after the fortification has been destroyed, the unfortified town that replaces it would just be Falkreath. The region, being a Hold, would retain the name.

Spurius_Lucilius

Dungeon is during the siege. So I think they can make the actual zone the city after the siege in the future.

Ilmarthethief

When I heard about Falkreath I was excited. However, if they are planning to add just a dungeon in the middle of nowhere it is a meh
If they added zone with the dungeon we could go from Bal Foyen to Daggerfall by horse. And zone actually could be as large as Gold Coast or Hew Bane. Actually it is a very small gap between Craglorn and The Rift.
Not this time. What a pity

EvilCroc

This is lazy and silly decision. I completely disapprove it.
I'm ready to leave ESO because of such bad design decisions.
First "chapter" Morrrowind with less content than DLC Orsinium, now this...
Who in the whole world thinks that Falkreath, minotaurs and forsworn are interesting in any possible way?
Ah, yes. We have Skyrim concept from 5th chapter of original game, minotaur models and reachmen.
Why not to put them in mixer to get new "epic" DLC? Laziness as it is.

gepe87

Satisfy Skyrim fanboys? ZOE. Time for AD expansion/DLC (Orsinium as an extended DC territory nad MW for EP), or Akavir/Pyandonea

Shardan4968

I don't give a *** about new expansion. I'm disappointed that Falkreath is only dungeon. I thought they were planning to make whole Tamriel like in TES: Arena.

SCSpecter

lordrichter wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Okay so we can see that the town of Falkreath is a dungeon now.

But what if they want to build the rest of the Falkreath Hold area around it? The map will be without its biggest city if they add the rest of the map.

Does this seem an odd decision to anyone else?

Quick answer: They have no intention of doing the rest of Skyrim any time soon.

Nor should they if you are really an elder scrolls fan do you really want yet another iteration of skyrim???

Ilmarthethief

Shardan4968 wrote: »

I don't give a *** about new expansion. I'm disappointed that Falkreath is only dungeon. I thought they were planning to make whole Tamriel like in TES: Arena.

They are. However, there are years to go, so...

Aliyavana

I'm tired of skyrim at this point, only thing I want from it is winterhold before it was destroyed

Uriel_Nocturne

Sigtric wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

This is the best news ever. It means they have no plans to expand skyrim. Which means they can finally work on expanding the AD zones.

andreasranasen wrote: »

Yes lawwdd. I'm so tired of all these EP/DC storylines. Give us a High-Elf chapter. After all, we are the most beautiful and the most powerful ones out of all races in Tamriel *sips tea*

Don't fight this argument, or i will unleash my destro ult on you

I'd rather see more orc stuff than trash elves honestly

The Mer = perfection.

Orsimer = Daedra poop.

Lore Fact.