101 Suggestions to make Cyrodiil PvP great again

Nermy

Great post mate, really well thought out points and there were way more than 101 ideas...

Can someone give this guy a job at ZoS?

@Brian_Wheeler

IcyDeadPeople

Very thoughtful post!

Not sure about some of the suggested class and scoring changes, but I love your suggestions for Map Improvements, Quality of Life and Keeps/Siege.

Definitely some kind of new features are needed to fully exploit the potential of this massive map. We have all these delves, lots of empty terrain with nothing going on. (And many ayeleid ruins that you can't enter)

I might add for quality of life to put guild store access in the dialogue menu for the Cyrodiil banker at the gate, as well as the quartermasters at resources (so when all the keeps are claimed by troll guilds, at least you will be able to buy from legit trading guilds at the resources). Maybe add respec shrines at the gate as well.

Dumping flaming oil from the grate over the keep front door does zero damage. This needs to be fixed.

This happens in some specific keeps, but works in others.

SwampRaider

@ZOS_BrianWheeler your thoughts?

IlCanis_LupuslI

Even if zos would be mean and make those sugessted changes only available as a PvP DLC.... I would buy it and even if it costs 25€!!! So please check this out @ZOS_GinaBruno

Valencer

Adding respawn/transit to outposts was actually a really horrible change. Makes outposts meaningless and nothing more than mini-keeps.

Completely eliminated interesting tactics like hitting the back keep to cut off reinforcements to the outpost.

Yuke

i dont know if a reduction in grp size to 18 is enough ... would maybe aim for something like 8-14

and sieging has to be redesigned heavily...its just wrong that you can operate 3 sieges and a ram simultaneously as a single player ...

sirston

can I request that a ZOS_ is put in front of your name since If they did about 25 of your suggestions I would come back.

Beardimus

Some epic ideas there, wow

Agrippa_Invisus

There's more that can be added to this, sadly.

For instance --

Permafrost's stun animation should be canceled when the victim attempts to break free (and has the stamina to do so) and should not keep playing, forcing your character to stand in place and not defend themselves.

Cliff Racer (and its morphs) should be dodgeable, much like you can with the actual mob the skill is named after. Either that, or its base damage should be reduced. Preferably both.

Iyas

Keeps should be much harder to take. Even pug grps can Take keeps now in 2-3mins. Even with spotters you dont have a Chance to deff keeps against ram + multiple ballista.

And remove the ap ticks from ressources/ keeps. Too many ppl avoid Fights on PC EU because they can make more APS taking an empty keep.

And sry didnt read OP Post yet. Maybe something is already mentioned

ak_pvp

Iyas wrote: »

Keeps should be much harder to take. Even pug grps can Take keeps now in 2-3mins. Even with spotters you dont have a Chance to deff keeps against ram + multiple ballista.

And remove the ap ticks from ressources/ keeps. Too many ppl avoid Fights on PC EU because they can make more APS taking an empty keep.

And sry didnt read OP Post yet. Maybe something is already mentioned

Please don't. OP mentioned reducing the AP from keeps, and while the rest of his ideas are good, this one isn't. There already is little incentive to take most keeps aside from an emp group. Most people are just farmers.

Gankers can make easily 10x that in the time it takes to take a keep. I say, make def/off ticks much larger, to be worth the time.

Iyas

ak_pvp wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

Keeps should be much harder to take. Even pug grps can Take keeps now in 2-3mins. Even with spotters you dont have a Chance to deff keeps against ram + multiple ballista.

And remove the ap ticks from ressources/ keeps. Too many ppl avoid Fights on PC EU because they can make more APS taking an empty keep.

And sry didnt read OP Post yet. Maybe something is already mentioned

Please don't. OP mentioned reducing the AP from keeps, and while the rest of his ideas are good, this one isn't. There already is little incentive to take most keeps aside from an emp group. Most people are just farmers.

Gankers can make easily 10x that in the time it takes to take a keep. I say, make def/off ticks much larger, to be worth the time.

Maybe but then give the night/morning capper a heavy AP penalty. They are raiding every morning (Starts about 5am) empty Caps. (2-3 Pop against 5 enemies in total). Its a real problem on the PC EU server. We dont have the pleasure of Multiple time zones here. And the ppl who raid every morning are rly Bad but still getting gold rewards because Ap/hr with only circle raiding is enough for that.

Agrippa_Invisus

Iyas wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

Keeps should be much harder to take. Even pug grps can Take keeps now in 2-3mins. Even with spotters you dont have a Chance to deff keeps against ram + multiple ballista.

And remove the ap ticks from ressources/ keeps. Too many ppl avoid Fights on PC EU because they can make more APS taking an empty keep.

And sry didnt read OP Post yet. Maybe something is already mentioned

Please don't. OP mentioned reducing the AP from keeps, and while the rest of his ideas are good, this one isn't. There already is little incentive to take most keeps aside from an emp group. Most people are just farmers.

Gankers can make easily 10x that in the time it takes to take a keep. I say, make def/off ticks much larger, to be worth the time.

Maybe but then give the night/morning capper a heavy AP penalty. They are raiding every morning (Starts about 5am) empty Caps. (2-3 Pop against 5 enemies in total). Its a real problem on the PC EU server. We dont have the pleasure of Multiple time zones here. And the ppl who raid every morning are rly Bad but still getting gold rewards because Ap/hr with only circle raiding is enough for that.

The real solution to this isn't a penalty that happens on the map itself. There's no reason that the map should be governed by a time piece.

There should be dynamic population caps that prevent the faction stacking against an empty map that you're describing. This means the most populous faction's pop lock is locked to match the lowest pop's current number of players (give or take a half dozen players). By doing this it prevents a large block of players from being all on one faction and instead encourages zergs to break apart into smaller chunks and fight amongst each other instead of empty keeps to be allowed onto the map to play.

If they insist on staying in one faction, they can wait in a queue while other factions are admitted freely.

zyk

I'm generally against player manifestos because I don't think it's practical to debate the individual points.

But let's say ZOS was to do all of this, what would it take to get it done? Lots of devs working hard on PVP. I think this highlights the true issue in Cyrodiil: ZOS, as a company, isn't even trying. AvA has been on life support for years.

Forget any individual ideas, I just want ZOS to invest resources in AvA and make a serious attempt to make Cyrodiil an awesome gameplay experience.

Iyas

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

Keeps should be much harder to take. Even pug grps can Take keeps now in 2-3mins. Even with spotters you dont have a Chance to deff keeps against ram + multiple ballista.

And remove the ap ticks from ressources/ keeps. Too many ppl avoid Fights on PC EU because they can make more APS taking an empty keep.

And sry didnt read OP Post yet. Maybe something is already mentioned

Please don't. OP mentioned reducing the AP from keeps, and while the rest of his ideas are good, this one isn't. There already is little incentive to take most keeps aside from an emp group. Most people are just farmers.

Gankers can make easily 10x that in the time it takes to take a keep. I say, make def/off ticks much larger, to be worth the time.

Maybe but then give the night/morning capper a heavy AP penalty. They are raiding every morning (Starts about 5am) empty Caps. (2-3 Pop against 5 enemies in total). Its a real problem on the PC EU server. We dont have the pleasure of Multiple time zones here. And the ppl who raid every morning are rly Bad but still getting gold rewards because Ap/hr with only circle raiding is enough for that.

The real solution to this isn't a penalty that happens on the map itself. There's no reason that the map should be governed by a time piece.

There should be dynamic population caps that prevent the faction stacking against an empty map that you're describing. This means the most populous faction's pop lock is locked to match the lowest pop's current number of players (give or take a half dozen players). By doing this it prevents a large block of players from being all on one faction and instead encourages zergs to break apart into smaller chunks and fight amongst each other instead of empty keeps to be allowed onto the map to play.

If they insist on staying in one faction, they can wait in a queue while other factions are admitted freely.

Wont Happen. Ad has about 1 full raid in the morning + some zergsurfers etc. Optimistic guess is about 30-60 ppl. Ep and DC has 10-20 together. So you wont allow 40 ppl to play?


And what is about the grief potential if one realm decides to log off so ppl cant get to cyrodil

lostcloud

Awesome post but then just about everything joy posts is worth reading, pretty much always constructive and insightful. Let us hope that at least some of this might be put into practice or at least be considered.

Rahotu

surely 101 should have been dalmation pets.....

SwampRaider

I'm okay with this list, but I do enjoy raids full of 40 people. this is large scale pvp. a war

Subversus

Props for actually typing in 101 different bullet points

Bashev

QuebraRegra wrote: »

stop reading about halfway through and realized you should just be in charge as you clearly have put more thought into it than the current dev team.

I did almost the same. I read the first 30 then scrolled down and read some random points. I just dont want to read them all because I will just want something that is not likely to happen or if ZoS listen to some of the ideas they will implement them too late and with their wrong vision.

svartorn

ZOS should be hiring you, Joy.

GreenSoup2HoT

SwampRaider wrote: »

I'm okay with this list, but I do enjoy raids full of 40 people. this is large scale pvp. a war

Agree'd. As much as people dislike zerging, i do still enjoy a massive battle between 3 factions at any keep.

Fyaal

A well thought out list of things that could actually improve this game. Well done joy division, oh and https://jobs.zenimax.com/requisitions/view/1389. You might want to consider...

Derra

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

Keeps should be much harder to take. Even pug grps can Take keeps now in 2-3mins. Even with spotters you dont have a Chance to deff keeps against ram + multiple ballista.

And remove the ap ticks from ressources/ keeps. Too many ppl avoid Fights on PC EU because they can make more APS taking an empty keep.

And sry didnt read OP Post yet. Maybe something is already mentioned

Please don't. OP mentioned reducing the AP from keeps, and while the rest of his ideas are good, this one isn't. There already is little incentive to take most keeps aside from an emp group. Most people are just farmers.

Gankers can make easily 10x that in the time it takes to take a keep. I say, make def/off ticks much larger, to be worth the time.

Maybe but then give the night/morning capper a heavy AP penalty. They are raiding every morning (Starts about 5am) empty Caps. (2-3 Pop against 5 enemies in total). Its a real problem on the PC EU server. We dont have the pleasure of Multiple time zones here. And the ppl who raid every morning are rly Bad but still getting gold rewards because Ap/hr with only circle raiding is enough for that.

The real solution to this isn't a penalty that happens on the map itself. There's no reason that the map should be governed by a time piece.

There should be dynamic population caps that prevent the faction stacking against an empty map that you're describing. This means the most populous faction's pop lock is locked to match the lowest pop's current number of players (give or take a half dozen players). By doing this it prevents a large block of players from being all on one faction and instead encourages zergs to break apart into smaller chunks and fight amongst each other instead of empty keeps to be allowed onto the map to play.

If they insist on staying in one faction, they can wait in a queue while other factions are admitted freely.

dynamic pop caps (while being the most desireable solution) are a form of penalty - but they also create problems: for example what do you want to do when one faction starts to log out/loose players before the others.
Do you boot people from cyro?

Sharee

Derra wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

Keeps should be much harder to take. Even pug grps can Take keeps now in 2-3mins. Even with spotters you dont have a Chance to deff keeps against ram + multiple ballista.

And remove the ap ticks from ressources/ keeps. Too many ppl avoid Fights on PC EU because they can make more APS taking an empty keep.

And sry didnt read OP Post yet. Maybe something is already mentioned

Please don't. OP mentioned reducing the AP from keeps, and while the rest of his ideas are good, this one isn't. There already is little incentive to take most keeps aside from an emp group. Most people are just farmers.

Gankers can make easily 10x that in the time it takes to take a keep. I say, make def/off ticks much larger, to be worth the time.

Maybe but then give the night/morning capper a heavy AP penalty. They are raiding every morning (Starts about 5am) empty Caps. (2-3 Pop against 5 enemies in total). Its a real problem on the PC EU server. We dont have the pleasure of Multiple time zones here. And the ppl who raid every morning are rly Bad but still getting gold rewards because Ap/hr with only circle raiding is enough for that.

The real solution to this isn't a penalty that happens on the map itself. There's no reason that the map should be governed by a time piece.

There should be dynamic population caps that prevent the faction stacking against an empty map that you're describing. This means the most populous faction's pop lock is locked to match the lowest pop's current number of players (give or take a half dozen players). By doing this it prevents a large block of players from being all on one faction and instead encourages zergs to break apart into smaller chunks and fight amongst each other instead of empty keeps to be allowed onto the map to play.

If they insist on staying in one faction, they can wait in a queue while other factions are admitted freely.

dynamic pop caps (while being the most desireable solution) are a form of penalty - but they also create problems: for example what do you want to do when one faction starts to log out/loose players before the others.
Do you boot people from cyro?

I think this would fix itself naturally, without having to boot anyone. Even an overpopulated faction isn't overpopulated because it's whole population stays online 24/7. They have people logging out, and different people logging in, all the time.

If a factions starts losing players it is not because its players are logging off more frequently than the other factions, it is because there are no replacements coming in. So over the course of time, the other 2 factions would gradually lose players to match the lowest faction(their replacements, while available, would be put into a queue). It would not be perfect - there would be short periods of time with unbalanced populations(for example when a whole guild logs off at the same time) - but i could live with that. At least there would be no alarm-clock raids possible.

efster

This post is so good, I was sad when it ended. Like reading a really good book and looking up remembering that none of the things you just read about are real, but you sure wish they were. Too bad ZoS's imagination is so limited.

Mazbt

Fun fighting you in pvp Joy. you keep me on edge and force me to bring my A game or I die. Great list I hope to see at least some things implemented in the future. Hope Zos is reading

zZzleepyhead

>90. Alliance war skill dedicated for magicka mobility
by mobility do you mean SUMMONING Require 3 players and a soul gem per player transported. We can finally use those portals in the corners of keeps. Group members only.
>7. Following up on the last point, gear will never be thought of as a counter to general balance issues again.
>92. Speaking of CC break, that should have priority over every other action or input the server calculates.
>Get rid of the Champion System.
Amen.
>24. There are capture nodes all over Cyrodiil that flip about as quickly as the “domination” flags in Battlegrounds
fengGasm

Irylia

Thanks for taking the time to put that together.

Some may say it's pointless to post these ideas on the forums but it's still furthering your chance of success even if only by .0001% that they even do one or two of those things.

UppGRAYxDD

proposal 102: Rotate alliance home bases every week for campaigns. This would def introduce more of the map to ppl who main one alliance and hardly ever venture to remote areas of different alliances. Im looking at you AD all safe and cozy in the south...