[NEW] (Videos) Dracarys - Where the Flames Converge - Waking Flame Patch

Sandman929

frozywozy wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

Are you and I even playing the same game? I can only dream of my game experience being that smooth. Whenever you guys clash anywhere on the map, my game starts to lag even if I’m at the opposite side of Cyrodiil. If I happen to be in the same keep as you guys, it’s nearly unplayable. Seeing the difference between your experience and mine is depressing as hell.

We were thinking about naming our next video "Dracarys - The Lag Generator"

I'll be honest with you, the lag switches, the CE Razor 1911 and the cheese builds procing left and right are the main factor that contribute to the lag of Cyrodiil. Not the 50 players fighting us.

I knew it. You guys group together to lag out the the 50-60 small group/solo players who just happen to be in the same place. It's diabolical.

Dudis

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Dudis wrote: »

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

I think its quite a common misunderstanding between both people who don't play the same playstyle as us and some who do that the lead is actually responsible for all calls etc

its actually more like sailing. As the lead you're there to help steer the group and direct the flow of the combat but actually everyone in the raid is responsible for making it happen as individuals. You can't micromanage everything or play peoples chars and if you did the performance would be way worse. People need to know the direction and objective. Not where to stand and what to do, this should come naturally to the people in raid.

By working together in this way to achieve a more challenging goal then you would be able to do solo/smallscale its generally fun for everyone involved in accomplishing it.

Elong

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

I think its quite a common misunderstanding between both people who don't play the same playstyle as us and some who do that the lead is actually responsible for all calls etc

its actually more like sailing. As the lead you're there to help steer the group and direct the flow of the combat but actually everyone in the raid is responsible for making it happen as individuals. You can't micromanage everything or play peoples chars and if you did the performance would be way worse. People need to know the direction and objective. Not where to stand and what to do, this should come naturally to the people in raid.

By working together in this way to achieve a more challenging goal then you would be able to do solo/smallscale its generally fun for everyone involved in accomplishing it.

That's a perfect analogy. It's not my cup of tea anymore but that doesn't mean what is going on is incredibly well coordinated.

Dudis

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

I think its quite a common misunderstanding between both people who don't play the same playstyle as us and some who do that the lead is actually responsible for all calls etc

its actually more like sailing. As the lead you're there to help steer the group and direct the flow of the combat but actually everyone in the raid is responsible for making it happen as individuals. You can't micromanage everything or play peoples chars and if you did the performance would be way worse. People need to know the direction and objective. Not where to stand and what to do, this should come naturally to the people in raid.

By working together in this way to achieve a more challenging goal then you would be able to do solo/smallscale its generally fun for everyone involved in accomplishing it.

I dont doubt that it takes a lot of coordination to run a group like that, especially when facing other coordinated groups trying to counter your moves. Im not saying the people "following" are bots or anything, and im sure there are defined roles to fullfill in the group, but from an outsiders perspective, im not seeing it.

Personally i think they should redice the group-cap to 8 players to open up diversity of group-types, builds and the overall action we see in cyrodiil, but thats another story

killahsin

Im not sure what it is anymore but 10-13 used to be the most efficient numbers.

Vilestride

Elong wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

Awww i wish my raid times had've lined up with omni's

Why do you guys keep avoiding TKG?

Because #weekdays

Mazbt

Dudis wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

I think its quite a common misunderstanding between both people who don't play the same playstyle as us and some who do that the lead is actually responsible for all calls etc

its actually more like sailing. As the lead you're there to help steer the group and direct the flow of the combat but actually everyone in the raid is responsible for making it happen as individuals. You can't micromanage everything or play peoples chars and if you did the performance would be way worse. People need to know the direction and objective. Not where to stand and what to do, this should come naturally to the people in raid.

By working together in this way to achieve a more challenging goal then you would be able to do solo/smallscale its generally fun for everyone involved in accomplishing it.

I dont doubt that it takes a lot of coordination to run a group like that, especially when facing other coordinated groups trying to counter your moves. Im not saying the people "following" are bots or anything, and im sure there are defined roles to fullfill in the group, but from an outsiders perspective, im not seeing it.

Personally i think they should redice the group-cap to 8 players to open up diversity of group-types, builds and the overall action we see in cyrodiil, but thats another story

The attitude of stacking ungrouped players and casual squads into one blob of like 40 to 50 would have to change though imo. Or else it will be organized groups of 8 being chased by 40 plus people and not groups of 16 to 20.

Vilestride

Mazbt wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

I think its quite a common misunderstanding between both people who don't play the same playstyle as us and some who do that the lead is actually responsible for all calls etc

its actually more like sailing. As the lead you're there to help steer the group and direct the flow of the combat but actually everyone in the raid is responsible for making it happen as individuals. You can't micromanage everything or play peoples chars and if you did the performance would be way worse. People need to know the direction and objective. Not where to stand and what to do, this should come naturally to the people in raid.

By working together in this way to achieve a more challenging goal then you would be able to do solo/smallscale its generally fun for everyone involved in accomplishing it.

I dont doubt that it takes a lot of coordination to run a group like that, especially when facing other coordinated groups trying to counter your moves. Im not saying the people "following" are bots or anything, and im sure there are defined roles to fullfill in the group, but from an outsiders perspective, im not seeing it.

Personally i think they should redice the group-cap to 8 players to open up diversity of group-types, builds and the overall action we see in cyrodiil, but thats another story

The attitude of stacking ungrouped players and casual squads into one blob of like 40 to 50 would have to change though imo. Or else it will be organized groups of 8 being chased by 40 plus people and not groups of 16 to 20.

I can see the argument for a chicken/egg scenario though.

Are there 40 man blobs because thats what it takes for pugs to potentially wipe 16 man groups or are there 16 man groups because that's what it takes to wipe 40 man blobs.

ShadowProc

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

I think its quite a common misunderstanding between both people who don't play the same playstyle as us and some who do that the lead is actually responsible for all calls etc

its actually more like sailing. As the lead you're there to help steer the group and direct the flow of the combat but actually everyone in the raid is responsible for making it happen as individuals. You can't micromanage everything or play peoples chars and if you did the performance would be way worse. People need to know the direction and objective. Not where to stand and what to do, this should come naturally to the people in raid.

By working together in this way to achieve a more challenging goal then you would be able to do solo/smallscale its generally fun for everyone involved in accomplishing it.

Ya. But imagine your boat gets 30% more wind(rapids) because of one of your passengers and has no anchor to stop it (CC) but you can drop one of the other boats anchor that your racing whenever you want.

Also your boat cannot be set on fire because you have one passenger that is spraying a fire hose all over the boat and its passengers continually (purge).

It's literally Galleon versus a bunch of row boats.

Xsorus

Dudis wrote: »

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMA5_aGryFo

Cause yes, there is a DAOC video for everything lol

frozywozy

ShadowProc wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

I think its quite a common misunderstanding between both people who don't play the same playstyle as us and some who do that the lead is actually responsible for all calls etc

its actually more like sailing. As the lead you're there to help steer the group and direct the flow of the combat but actually everyone in the raid is responsible for making it happen as individuals. You can't micromanage everything or play peoples chars and if you did the performance would be way worse. People need to know the direction and objective. Not where to stand and what to do, this should come naturally to the people in raid.

By working together in this way to achieve a more challenging goal then you would be able to do solo/smallscale its generally fun for everyone involved in accomplishing it.

Ya. But imagine your boat gets 30% more wind(rapids) because of one of your passengers and has no anchor to stop it (CC) but you can drop one of the other boats anchor that your racing whenever you want.

Also your boat cannot be set on fire because you have one passenger that is spraying a fire hose all over the boat and its passengers continually (purge).

It's literally Galleon versus a bunch of row boats.

You seem to have alot of knowledge of how it works in a 12-16men raid. I figure you have already wiped 50players at once doing such a thing before. Could you remind me what the name of the guild group was?

ShadowProc

Vilestride wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

I think its quite a common misunderstanding between both people who don't play the same playstyle as us and some who do that the lead is actually responsible for all calls etc

its actually more like sailing. As the lead you're there to help steer the group and direct the flow of the combat but actually everyone in the raid is responsible for making it happen as individuals. You can't micromanage everything or play peoples chars and if you did the performance would be way worse. People need to know the direction and objective. Not where to stand and what to do, this should come naturally to the people in raid.

By working together in this way to achieve a more challenging goal then you would be able to do solo/smallscale its generally fun for everyone involved in accomplishing it.

Ya. But imagine your boat gets 30% more wind(rapids) because of one of your passengers and has no anchor to stop it (CC) but you can drop one of the other boats anchor that your racing whenever you want.

Also your boat cannot be set on fire because you have one passenger that is spraying a fire hose all over the boat and its passengers continually (purge).

It's literally Galleon versus a bunch of row boats.

You better get paddling. You little rowboat you

Lmao. U right. You run 30% faster than me with 15 friends. I'm a dead man

Vilestride

ShadowProc wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

I think its quite a common misunderstanding between both people who don't play the same playstyle as us and some who do that the lead is actually responsible for all calls etc

its actually more like sailing. As the lead you're there to help steer the group and direct the flow of the combat but actually everyone in the raid is responsible for making it happen as individuals. You can't micromanage everything or play peoples chars and if you did the performance would be way worse. People need to know the direction and objective. Not where to stand and what to do, this should come naturally to the people in raid.

By working together in this way to achieve a more challenging goal then you would be able to do solo/smallscale its generally fun for everyone involved in accomplishing it.

Ya. But imagine your boat gets 30% more wind(rapids) because of one of your passengers and has no anchor to stop it (CC) but you can drop one of the other boats anchor that your racing whenever you want.

Also your boat cannot be set on fire because you have one passenger that is spraying a fire hose all over the boat and its passengers continually (purge).

It's literally Galleon versus a bunch of row boats.

You better get paddling. You little rowboat you

Lmao. U right. You run 30% faster than me with 15 friends. I'm a dead man

Just to be clear, you're point with the analogy is that all players except ballgroups are uncivilised scum with inferior levels of technology that will inevitability be destroyed by their superior, advanced ballgroup overlords right?

If so I'm glad we agree friend.

Out with the indians, in with the British i say.

ShadowProc

Vilestride wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

I think its quite a common misunderstanding between both people who don't play the same playstyle as us and some who do that the lead is actually responsible for all calls etc

its actually more like sailing. As the lead you're there to help steer the group and direct the flow of the combat but actually everyone in the raid is responsible for making it happen as individuals. You can't micromanage everything or play peoples chars and if you did the performance would be way worse. People need to know the direction and objective. Not where to stand and what to do, this should come naturally to the people in raid.

By working together in this way to achieve a more challenging goal then you would be able to do solo/smallscale its generally fun for everyone involved in accomplishing it.

Ya. But imagine your boat gets 30% more wind(rapids) because of one of your passengers and has no anchor to stop it (CC) but you can drop one of the other boats anchor that your racing whenever you want.

Also your boat cannot be set on fire because you have one passenger that is spraying a fire hose all over the boat and its passengers continually (purge).

It's literally Galleon versus a bunch of row boats.

You better get paddling. You little rowboat you

Lmao. U right. You run 30% faster than me with 15 friends. I'm a dead man

Just to be clear, you're point with the analogy is that all players except ballgroups are uncivilised scum with inferior levels of technology that will inevitability be destroyed by their superior, advanced ballgroup overlords right?

If so I'm glad we agree friend.

Out with the indians, in with the British i say.

All I'm saying is either revert speed nerfs for every play style or nerf all them. Not give another significant advantage to one of the play styles. Numbers is already enough.

I admit Rapids is a necessary tool fighting outnumbered but an investment should have to be made.

Do you admit that it gives a advantage over soloers and smallscale?

Thogard

There are a lot of places to have the small scale v large scale v zergling that thinks he’s smallscale debate, but I don’t think a post promoting a video is that place. It’s a good video and I’m glad it was posted.

ZOS_Ragnar

We have removed some combative back and forth that was off topic and disrupted the thread. Please keep your posts civil and constructive.

Dudis

Xsorus wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

Cause yes, there is a DAOC video for everything lol

(snipped video)

There is indeed, I actually ran in such a group too for a few glorious weeks. I didnt play the dps chars though, my primary role was CC and backup heals. I think the most we got in one single "bomb" was 86 people at 2:40 in the vid. I mean, imagine a game where large stacked up blobs were punished by AoE!

DAoC players might enjoy! Everyone should watch the whole thing though, you wont be disapointed hehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN8nrsokVOU

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Dudis wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

Cause yes, there is a DAOC video for everything lol

(snipped video)

There is indeed, I actually ran in such a group too for a few glorious weeks. I didnt play the dps chars though, my primary role was CC and backup heals. I think the most we got in one single "bomb" was 86 people at 2:40 in the vid. I mean, imagine a game where large stacked up blobs were punished by AoE!

DAoC players might enjoy! Everyone should watch the whole thing though, you wont be disapointed hehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN8nrsokVOU

Stacked blobs standing stationary like these guys are punished by the current game mechanics in ESO.
DAoC also had uncapped CC which made it even easier. Personally I prefer more of a challenge when fighting stacks of players.

Dudis

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

Cause yes, there is a DAOC video for everything lol

(snipped video)

There is indeed, I actually ran in such a group too for a few glorious weeks. I didnt play the dps chars though, my primary role was CC and backup heals. I think the most we got in one single "bomb" was 86 people at 2:40 in the vid. I mean, imagine a game where large stacked up blobs were punished by AoE!

DAoC players might enjoy! Everyone should watch the whole thing though, you wont be disapointed hehe

(snipped video)

Stacked blobs standing stationary like these guys are punished by the current game mechanics in ESO.
DAoC also had uncapped CC which made it even easier. Personally I prefer more of a challenge when fighting stacks of players.

Fair point. I stand by my opinion though, that a couple of guys spamming AoE on a spot should be reason enough to spread out. Maybe make AoE direct-damage increase by 10% for each target hit above 5 guys?

Another thing that would help is if people coult actually /assist eachothers tab-targets, so you can't hide from single target damage behind a wall of bodies. I can see how this would break group-vs-group action in the current meta though, so other changes would have to be made too.

Then again, the game as it is now needs a major rehaul of basically everything when it comes to pvp imo.

LonePirate

It’s interesting how Faction #1 Ball Group never likes to fight Faction #2 Ball Group. Ball groups, despite any claims of preferring good fights, would rather steamroll unorganized and spaced out players (several very short fights of 15 v. 2-3) instead of fighting another ball group (15 v. 15).

Vilestride

Dudis wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

Not to be a hater or anything, but watching your vids basically feels like one of those old macro-groups where one guy controls a bunch of bots on /follow, spamming AoE and heals.

But if thats the playstyle you like, all the power to you, I guess!

I bet the leader is having fun

Cause yes, there is a DAOC video for everything lol

(snipped video)

There is indeed, I actually ran in such a group too for a few glorious weeks. I didnt play the dps chars though, my primary role was CC and backup heals. I think the most we got in one single "bomb" was 86 people at 2:40 in the vid. I mean, imagine a game where large stacked up blobs were punished by AoE!

DAoC players might enjoy! Everyone should watch the whole thing though, you wont be disapointed hehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN8nrsokVOU

Isn't that runescape? It looks like runescape.

Elong

LonePirate wrote: »

It’s interesting how Faction #1 Ball Group never likes to fight Faction #2 Ball Group. Ball groups, despite any claims of preferring good fights, would rather steamroll unorganized and spaced out players (several very short fights of 15 v. 2-3) instead of fighting another ball group (15 v. 15).

That's not true though. And they recently all had a big GvG event having lots of fun battling eachother. They regularly look for eachother on the field.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

LonePirate wrote: »

It’s interesting how Faction #1 Ball Group never likes to fight Faction #2 Ball Group. Ball groups, despite any claims of preferring good fights, would rather steamroll unorganized and spaced out players (several very short fights of 15 v. 2-3) instead of fighting another ball group (15 v. 15).

Did you watch the video :P?

MipMip

A fun moment

https://youtu.be/6GgzVxEpOAk

Ruckly

This guild is running coward's gear in a voice comm ball group. Completely broken. It is a single target battlegrounds set. Or a medium armor hit and run set. If you get every single outside set nerfed and there is no outside play it will be lather, rinse, repeat generic combat. Right now EP is pushing the turn based play meta you don't need to make the game even worse.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Ruckly wrote: »

This guild is running coward's gear in a voice comm ball group. Completely broken. It is a single target battlegrounds set. Or a medium armor hit and run set. If you get every single outside set nerfed and there is no outside play it will be lather, rinse, repeat generic combat. Right now EP is pushing the turn based play meta you don't need to make the game even worse.

None of us use the cowards armour set

Ruckly

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Ruckly wrote: »

This guild is running coward's gear in a voice comm ball group. Completely broken. It is a single target battlegrounds set. Or a medium armor hit and run set. If you get every single outside set nerfed and there is no outside play it will be lather, rinse, repeat generic combat. Right now EP is pushing the turn based play meta you don't need to make the game even worse.

None of us use the cowards armour set

Good. I have 7-8 pieces transmuted because the name has a stigma and it is 2-3 steps removed from being nerfed. Someone advertising that set as OP would suck for me. Maybe it was another guild everyone said you.

Iskras

Red, back, we need u

Mazbt

Iskras wrote: »

Red, back, we need u

Ruckly wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Ruckly wrote: »

This guild is running coward's gear in a voice comm ball group. Completely broken. It is a single target battlegrounds set. Or a medium armor hit and run set. If you get every single outside set nerfed and there is no outside play it will be lather, rinse, repeat generic combat. Right now EP is pushing the turn based play meta you don't need to make the game even worse.

None of us use the cowards armour set

Good. I have 7-8 pieces transmuted because the name has a stigma and it is 2-3 steps removed from being nerfed. Someone advertising that set as OP would suck for me. Maybe it was another guild everyone said you.

Ball groups wouldn't use cowards gear. It's a selfish set, and it contradicts with rapids.