Tier 3 Ability Morphs?

Avran_Sylt

I look at ESO as a game whose diversity stems from used skills rather than from dropped gear sets (for the most part). So, This is the question: Would it improve end game to allow further skill progression past the 2nd tier ability morphs?

and, How would these 3rd tier morphs function?

Would they just be a standard improvement over their 2nd tier counterparts (in niche areas), or would they function as tradeoffs?

Ex: Standard Improvement (in a solo scenario)
Veiled Strike

Surprise Attack

Exposing Attack

Successfully attacking an enemy with this ability from Stealth or Invisibility applies minor vulnerability for 8 seconds

Ferocious Attack

Critically striking with this ability grants Major Expedition for 4 seconds

Concealed Weapon

Deadly Weapon

This ability deals 20% more damage from stealth

Hidden Weapon

Further Increases movespeed while in stealth by 40%

Ex: Tradeoff (in a solo scenario)
Veiled Strike

Surprise Attack

Opportunistic Attack

No longer applies Major Fracture, but does increasing amounts of damage the lower the target's health is (up to 10%)

Piercing Attack

Deals lower initial damage, but applies a bleed over 8 seconds.

Concealed Weapon

Deadly Weapon

No longer grants bonus movespeed, but increases damage done from stealth by 20%

Shadow Walker's Blade

Reduces total damage done, but increases movespeed while in stealth significantly.

Destyran

They could be interesting, Implemented correctly

Have new weapons released that while equipped unlocks. A teir 3 morph of the weapons skill line of your choice. No ultis

Houshiki

They could be interesting, Implemented correctly

This could be incredibly interesting, and diversifying if it were implemented correctly. On the other hand, it could also equally end up becoming a complete disaster leading to unbalance issues and exploits.

InFernalEntity

Leave it as it is currently (2 Tier System) - But introduce additional Morphs

I think a 3rd tier morph would focus more builds towards DPS which is already an issue with the game. (Almost everyone is damage focused)

However more 2nd morph options is a great idea. No one likes being screwed out of interesting effects because an ability is magicka or stamina and won't compliment their build.

meatboll

They could be interesting, Implemented correctly

good idea, but I want more weapons type like a spear, this should be their next plan.

MarrazzMist

Leave it as it is currently (2 Tier System)

Nightmare for my memory, making it hard to communicate builds as I can't remember the names of the skills I've been using for three years.

I think morf options are versatile, so KISS, please.

KochDerDamonen

They could be interesting, Implemented correctly

I'd like to have stam/mag and THEN morphs that alter effects

Tasear

They could be interesting, Implemented correctly

Sorrecer ..nercromancer line... taming wild animals... warden... DragonKnight flying.... nightblade trap removal...and more.

Mettaricana

They could be interesting, Implemented correctly

Would be a nice option. Love to see lack luster skills get a new morph after being morphed love to see sorc get option to trade out pets for atronachs.

Night blade to trade out shades fo zombies and skeletons.

Sheva I 7 I

Mettaricana wrote: »

Would be a nice option. Love to see lack luster skills get a new morph after being morphed love to see sorc get option to trade out pets for atronachs.

Night blade to trade out shades fo zombies and skeletons.

loooooool since when nightblades are necromancers or conjurers???

Avran_Sylt

Leave it as it is currently (2 Tier System) - But introduce additional Morphs

@Sheva I 7 I

elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Summon+Shade

What's to stop them from summoning a soul of one of their victims? A Ghost?

Sheva I 7 I

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@Sheva I 7 I

elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Summon+Shade

What's to stop them from summoning a soul of one of their victims? A Ghost?

Well let them summon dragons while we are at it, dark magic =/= necromancy

Avran_Sylt

Leave it as it is currently (2 Tier System) - But introduce additional Morphs

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@Sheva I 7 I

elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Summon+Shade

What's to stop them from summoning a soul of one of their victims? A Ghost?

Well let them summon dragons while we are at it, dark magic =/= necromancy

In this case I think that necromancy is a subclass of dark magic, as the name dark magic itself seems much to broad only to encompass summoning. So while all dark magic is not necromancy, all necromancy is a dark magic.

The_Smilemeister

I Don't Care

Knowing ZOS, even if it was implemented, it would be a complete trainreck of a disaster. With all the people complaining about lag and abilities being too OP or not working properly I can just see this idea turning out to be more than it was worth.

Sheva I 7 I

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@Sheva I 7 I

elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Summon+Shade

What's to stop them from summoning a soul of one of their victims? A Ghost?

Well let them summon dragons while we are at it, dark magic =/= necromancy

In this case I think that necromancy is a subclass of dark magic, as the name dark magic itself seems much to broad only to encompass summoning. So while all dark magic is not necromancy, all necromancy is a dark magic.

in Elder Scrolls lore necromancy is part of conjuring tree.

Avran_Sylt

Leave it as it is currently (2 Tier System) - But introduce additional Morphs

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@Sheva I 7 I

elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Summon+Shade

What's to stop them from summoning a soul of one of their victims? A Ghost?

Well let them summon dragons while we are at it, dark magic =/= necromancy

In this case I think that necromancy is a subclass of dark magic, as the name dark magic itself seems much to broad only to encompass summoning. So while all dark magic is not necromancy, all necromancy is a dark magic.

in Elder Scrolls lore necromancy is part of conjuring tree.

We might be miscommunicating, When you say dark magic, are you referring to shunned and vilified practices and arts? Or something else?

Drdeath20

Other

Why do morphs have to be better than the original. I feel that the base skill needs to be just as good and now you get to specify on build diversity

idk

He is alive.

TheDoomsdayMonster

Leave it as it is currently (2 Tier System)

I wouldn't want to see a three tier option for the simple reason that the Devs are having hell balancing the current 2 tier system...

To introduce a 3rd tier would be beyond the Devs ability to balance based off of what we have seen thus far...

idk

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

I wouldn't want to see a three tier option for the simple reason that the Devs are having hell balancing the current 2 tier system...

To introduce a 3rd tier would be beyond the Devs ability to balance based off of what we have seen thus far...

The larger reason is Zos has been working to simplify the game. When Zos states they are attempting to lower the ceiling and raise the floor they are simplifying the game.

Adding a third tier just complicates things, goes in the opposite direction and for questionable benefit.

Another point is, it would cost another SP. Some of us have 350 CP and use most of them. 6 crafts, able to fill more than one role and skills for both PvE and PvP. Adds up fast.

Morgul667

Leave it as it is currently (2 Tier System)

I think we have enough balance issues already I dont see it being implemented without creating further unbalance in the game

GreenSoup2HoT

Leave it as it is currently (2 Tier System)

Morgul667 wrote: »

I think we have enough balance issues already I dont see it being implemented without creating further unbalance in the game

this. the game isnt even balanced with two morphs. some abilities have 1 morph that is drastically better.

also a lot of op's suggestions are over-powered. like hidden strike, 40% more stealth speed, you cant be serious. lets all just run around in stealth faster then a mount with rapids lol.

Juhasow

Leave it as it is currently (2 Tier System)

Yes because all I need is to level up and test 6 morphs instead of 2 to see which one is better...

Solariken

Other

I would LOVE if they expanded the skill system, whether by adding a 3rd morph option to every skill, a new set of morphs for each morph (as you suggested), or a spellcrafting system. However, what they should absolutely not do is make player skills stronger than they currently are as seems to be what you are suggesting.

More options and customization are certainly welcome but many skills are already nearly overloaded with power and utility. What they COULD do though, is use your idea for a new sub-tier of morphs and package each with a bane to mirror its boon -

So for example, one of your Surprise Attack morphs would inflict Minor Vulnerability on the target - maybe it could be inflicted on the caster as well for the same duration. This way if the player chooses a higher damage playstyle he accepts the trade-off of being squishier himself.

Phinix1

They could be interesting, Implemented correctly

It is both needed and long overdue. It they did it smart it would be awesome.

I think each ability should have 2 magicka archetype morphs and 2 stamina. Of these, there would be a mix of support/utility and sustain/self buff/damage.

Having more options would allow more build diversity obviously, with more classes able to bring more buffs to the group. Also an option for better CC which is somewhat lacking on certain weapons especially.

Vaoh

They could be interesting, Implemented correctly

...but never gonna happen.

Zardayne

Other

I want new weapons instead of further morphs for existing skills (Spears/polearms, Crossbows, and some new magic weapons. After 3 years I need more diversity in weapon choices.

aisriyth_ESO

I rather get a 3rd morph for all skills that make it stamina/magicka or utility for healing/tanking.

GeorgeBlack

They could be interesting, Implemented correctly

Yes so much. There will be be playstyles.

bebynnag

Leave it as it is currently (2 Tier System) - But introduce additional Morphs

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Avran_Sylt

Leave it as it is currently (2 Tier System) - But introduce additional Morphs

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

He is alive.

And hung over, god last night was fun.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

I wouldn't want to see a three tier option for the simple reason that the Devs are having hell balancing the current 2 tier system...

To introduce a 3rd tier would be beyond the Devs ability to balance based off of what we have seen thus far...

The larger reason is Zos has been working to simplify the game. When Zos states they are attempting to lower the ceiling and raise the floor they are simplifying the game.

Adding a third tier just complicates things, goes in the opposite direction and for questionable benefit.

Another point is, it would cost another SP. Some of us have 350 CP and use most of them. 6 crafts, able to fill more than one role and skills for both PvE and PvP. Adds up fast.

A fair enough of a point, as it could eventually lead to some really funky tree paths, and, not to mention makes it more complicated (though for casual players, they could always pick to their preference, or just copy a build online).

On the note of costing an extra skill point, that's fair enough, part of why I had as another option to just add in additional skill morphs. such that the current skill point investment would be kept the same.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

I think we have enough balance issues already I dont see it being implemented without creating further unbalance in the game

this. the game isnt even balanced with two morphs. some abilities have 1 morph that is drastically better.

also a lot of op's suggestions are over-powered. like hidden strike, 40% more stealth speed, you cant be serious. lets all just run around in stealth faster then a mount with rapids lol.

Well, in the case of movespeed it's been partially addressed, as movespeed itself has been patched (can no longer go past 100% of base movespeed for whichever mode of movement you're in). So you'd be unable to move faster than a rapids horse. Though this itself is just a suggestion and liable to change

Though balancing would indeed be a concern, and on that note, keeping a two tier system would be much easier.