Stonefist (Stone Giant morph) - Dragonknights and stamina class skills

GeorgeBlack

Key Points:
1)Dragon Knight has only 2 Class skills that cost Stamina.
2)Stone Giant morph (stonefist) has a crappy effect. I want to change the effect to make it cost stamina.

Stonefist is a dragonknight skill from the Earthen Heart skill line, that Knocks Down targets for 3.5s at the cost of MAGIKA.

One morph of Stonefist is Obsidian Shard, which in addition, heals you or an ally for a good amount of HP. It costs MAGIKA. Great morph.
The other morph which is called Stone Giant gives MINOR Resolve, but makes your toon look like he's been shiet on by a big animal. Even if this morph gave me MAJOOORRRR resolve + Major ward I wouldn't use it because I don't want my toon to look like it's been covered in crap. This morph also costs MAGIKA.

Can we change Stone Giant morph to cost Stamina instead of Magika? I think it would help stamina DKs by giving them a skill that CCs, costs stamina, scales of stamina and WD and HAS ACCESS TO CLASS PASSIVES. May the base damage of this skill even be reduced, as long as it becomes more accessible to stamina users.

Not sure if this would make stamina DKs OP or not. I just think that it would be fair since Dragonknights are the Class with the least CLASS SKILLS that cost stamina.
There are so many CCs that cost STAMINA -most of whom require a specific weapon to be used- but none that has access to Dragon Knight passive abilities.

I am sure that many players that start ESO and go stamina Dragon Knight would appreciate one more stamina costing CLASS SKILL.

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

TheStealthDude

Stone Giant being a stamina morph would mean that both morphs are fundamental changes to the base skill, as opposed to at least one being strictly an addition. This would make it the only skill in the game for which there would be circumstances where you would not want to morph the skill. This is likely fundamentally against game design, if I had to guess. And I don't want to change Obsidian Shard because they finally fixed the skill and DK healer needs the love.

So, unless the base skill is changed, don't expect a change to the Stone Giant morph.

GeorgeBlack

Sorcerers Nightblades and Templars (don't know about Warden) have Stamina Morphs.
Dragonknight have 2 stamina morphs. Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath.
Why not change one of the Stone Giant (one of the two morphs of the skill Stonefist) to a stamina morph?
@TheStealthDude


Also can you explain why would I not morph THIS skill, and how come Nightblades Sorcerers and Templars don't have a problem morphing their skills which one of the morphs is stamina?

In addition, I didn't suggest to touch Obsidian Shard (healing morph)

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Sorcerers Nightblades and Templars (don't know about Warden) have Stamina Morphs.
Dragonknight have 2 stamina morphs. Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath.
Why not change one of the Stone Giant (one of the two morphs of the skill Stonefist) to a stamina morph?
@TheStealthDude


Also can you explain why would I not morph THIS skill, and how come Nightblades Sorcerers and Templars don't have a problem morphing their skills which one of the morphs is stamina?

In addition, I didn't suggest to touch Obsidian Shard (healing morph)

Stamdks also have Flames of Oblivion, it scales with your highest stat, so it does real good damage regardless of mag/Stam even though it costs magic. So you there you go.

So Stam dks have the same amount of active skills as nb, temps and sorcs, that is three.

CaptainBeerDude

Just started levelling a DK. Went Stam. Have to run a staff on the back bar because of all of the mag skills. I use obsidian shard though. Change something else.

TheStealthDude

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Sorcerers Nightblades and Templars (don't know about Warden) have Stamina Morphs.
Dragonknight have 2 stamina morphs. Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath.
Why not change one of the Stone Giant (one of the two morphs of the skill Stonefist) to a stamina morph?
@TheStealthDude


Also can you explain why would I not morph THIS skill, and how come Nightblades Sorcerers and Templars don't have a problem morphing their skills which one of the morphs is stamina?

In addition, I didn't suggest to touch Obsidian Shard (healing morph)

My point was that your suggested change would make this skill have circumstances where you wouldn't want to morph it, such as if you were a ranged magicka DK and wanted the damage from this skill (Obsidian Shard morph greatly reduced the damage, and your change to tbe Stone Giant morph would make it useless for the magicka DK now, with it being stamina).

I mentioned Obsidian Shard to show how unlikely it is that this skill will be changed the way you suggest.

KochDerDamonen

TheStealthDude wrote: »

Stone Giant being a stamina morph would mean that both morphs are fundamental changes to the base skill, as opposed to at least one being strictly an addition. This would make it the only skill in the game for which there would be circumstances where you would not want to morph the skill. This is likely fundamentally against game design, if I had to guess. And I don't want to change Obsidian Shard because they finally fixed the skill and DK healer needs the love.

So, unless the base skill is changed, don't expect a change to the Stone Giant morph.

@TheStealthDude I personally think that morphs being optional in more instances is a good change for the design, a lot of morphs are just plain unused because they don't do anything interestingly different, or ARE the morph that does something interesting but is just weak.

dem0n1k

The buff lasts 18sec on Stone fist & the knockdown will only work once (due to cc immunity) so Stam DKs won't be spamming it so the cost in magicka shouldn't really be an issue. It does magic damage so that's a bummer for StamDKs but the damage is very low anyway.. it's more about the knockdown. It certainly does look poopy That's why you get the resistance buff... no one wants to get poop on their weapons!

Feanor

In my opinion the problem with DK is not the amount of available class skill morphs (Sorc doesn't have that many either) but the huge cost of the class skills. Mag skills can be very good in stam chars because they give you something to dump your otherwise useless Magicka into. It's less easy when your mag skills cost 4K+ Magicka to begin with. So instead of another stam morph I'd like an overall cost reduction of DK mag skills. Would help mDK too.

GeorgeBlack

@TheStealthDude

How very selfish. Your reasoning is rubbish. I believe that you don't want stamDKs to have a class CC with stamina cost. If however I'm wrong to think thank, I urge you to give us a staming cost morph for Stone Giant. What effect would it have?? Tell us.

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
Flames of Oblivion cost MAGIKA so "there you go"

@Feanor
Spot on. As stamina users we have extremely limited magika resources. We only have 2 stamina cost CLASS SKILLS. How can we utilize our class skills/passives when our limited magika resource doesn't let us cast magika abilities?




I suggested to change Stone Giant. Not obsidian shard. Obsidian shars is a great skill. Since it heals it should be accessible to healers (ma@CaptainBeerDude
Stone Giant is a CRAP skill. It should be changed to something useful for stamina users.
StamDKs dont have a stamina cost CC skill that utilizes CLASS passives. In addition to my arguement DKs have only two Stamina cost skills.
Flames of Oblivion is a great skill, however the fact that it costs stamina makes it hard to use IN COMBINATION TO OTHER CLASS SKILLS THAT COST MAGIKA.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
Flames of Oblivion cost MAGIKA so "there you go"

Are you slow? The skill scales on your highest stat, so even if it costs magic, it does the same damage as if it costed stamina. This is a good thing because it saves you Stam for other ablities.

GeorgeBlack

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
Flames of Oblivion cost MAGIKA so "there you go"

Are you slow? The skill scales on your highest stat, so even if it costs magic, it does the same damage as if it costed stamina. This is a good thing because it saves you Stam for other ablities.

No as a matter of fact IT ISN'T "good because it saves me Stam for other stamina uses". All my class skills cost Magika except 2 only. So the less magika costing CLASS ABILITIES I have as a stamina user, the better. That is why I want Stonefist to have a Stamina cost. Because of this exact problem. You are the slow one apparently for not realizing the purpose of this discussion.
Stam players have major problem with magika poll. I would be better if flames of oblivion costed Stamina.

This topic isn't about Flames of Oblivion. It is about Stonefist and it's morphs. It's one good morph and it's other morph that makes your toon look like you've been crapped on.

If u feel that you will be getting rekt by stamDKs with that change, plz do come forth and admit that you are afraid that you will be rekt by stamDKs that have access to a stamina morph of Stonefist @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
Flames of Oblivion cost MAGIKA so "there you go"

Are you slow? The skill scales on your highest stat, so even if it costs magic, it does the same damage as if it costed stamina. This is a good thing because it saves you Stam for other ablities.

No as a matter of fact IT ISN'T "good because it saves me Stam for other stamina uses". All my class skills cost Magika except 2 only. So the less magika costing CLASS ABILITIES I have as a stamina user, the better. That is why I want Stonefist to have a Stamina cost. Because of this exact problem. You are the slow one apparently for not realizing the purpose of this discussion.
Stam players have major problem with magika poll. I would be better if flames of oblivion costed Stamina.

This topic isn't about Flames of Oblivion. It is about Stonefist and it's morphs. It's one good morph and it's other morph that makes your toon look like you've been crapped on.

If u feel that you will be getting rekt by stamDKs with that change, plz do come forth and admit that you are afraid that you will be rekt by stamDKs that have access to a stamina morph of Stonefist @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

What are you taking about? Lol wrecked by a dk that had a stamia morph of a crappy skill in the first place? You are talking about PvP, I don't really PvP, so good luck with that and nowhere in your op did you state this was for PvP.

Also if you can't manage your magic for a skill that only needs to be casted every 15 seconds, that is your problem. Especially since the ablity only costs 2k magic and will give you between 2-4k dps extra.

I suppose also that no one wants to talk about stone fist is that it is a really useless skill, no mag do uses it and do healers rarely use the heal morph, there are much better options for the things you want it to do. As has been pointed out in this very thread. But you might be too slow to realize that.

GeorgeBlack

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
Flames of Oblivion cost MAGIKA so "there you go"

Are you slow? The skill scales on your highest stat, so even if it costs magic, it does the same damage as if it costed stamina. This is a good thing because it saves you Stam for other ablities.

No as a matter of fact IT ISN'T "good because it saves me Stam for other stamina uses". All my class skills cost Magika except 2 only. So the less magika costing CLASS ABILITIES I have as a stamina user, the better. That is why I want Stonefist to have a Stamina cost. Because of this exact problem. You are the slow one apparently for not realizing the purpose of this discussion.
Stam players have major problem with magika poll. I would be better if flames of oblivion costed Stamina.

This topic isn't about Flames of Oblivion. It is about Stonefist and it's morphs. It's one good morph and it's other morph that makes your toon look like you've been crapped on.

If u feel that you will be getting rekt by stamDKs with that change, plz do come forth and admit that you are afraid that you will be rekt by stamDKs that have access to a stamina morph of Stonefist @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

What are you taking about? Lol wrecked by a dk that had a stamia morph of a crappy skill in the first place? You are talking about PvP, I don't really PvP, so good luck with that and nowhere in your op did you state this was for PvP.

Also if you can't manage your magic for a skill that only needs to be casted every 15 seconds, that is your problem. Especially since the ablity only costs 2k magic and will give you between 2-4k dps extra.

I suppose also that no one wants to talk about stone fist is that it is a really useless skill, no mag do uses it and do healers rarely use the heal morph, there are much better options for the things you want it to do. As has been pointed out in this very thread. But you might be too slow to realize that.

ye because the rest of the Dragon Knight CLASS skills which mostly cost magika are as low as Flames of Oblivion.
And because the REST OF THE MAGIKA COSTING SKILLS will only be casted every 15s in your dreams. More like they need to be used every 7s if a CC and every 4s if Igneous Shield. Needless to mention ALL THE OTHER MAGIKA COSTING SKILLS.

Ye fFames of Oblivion in magika cost is better that a would be stamina costing flames of oblivion.

BACK TO THE TOPIC->>
You don't PvP? Well then what's your problem with the useless Stonefist morph to be changed in Stamina cost? What is your issue with that? @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

BohnT

No good stamdk would ever use this crappy skill even if it had a stam morph. There are 4 stam cc's in the entire game: templar spear, dizzying swing, reverb bash, and magnum shot. As a dk in pvp you use one of the 3 weapons, if you don't use reverb you'll have a bad time because 1h+s is bread and butter for stamdk, it's one of the nastiest cc's in the game which grants you major defile on top to a very good cc that's sometimes hard to break and that can be AC'd perfectly.
If you want to use magskills then maybe get 1.3k magregen with bufffood just like nbs do to use cloak and fear more often, if you don't build for something don't expect to get it.
And if you use stonefist for the cc you really haven't heard about fossilize, a cc that goes through block and immobilizes after the cc breaks.
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
Flames of Oblivion cost MAGIKA so "there you go"

Are you slow? The skill scales on your highest stat, so even if it costs magic, it does the same damage as if it costed stamina. This is a good thing because it saves you Stam for other ablities.

No as a matter of fact IT ISN'T "good because it saves me Stam for other stamina uses". All my class skills cost Magika except 2 only. So the less magika costing CLASS ABILITIES I have as a stamina user, the better. That is why I want Stonefist to have a Stamina cost. Because of this exact problem. You are the slow one apparently for not realizing the purpose of this discussion.
Stam players have major problem with magika poll. I would be better if flames of oblivion costed Stamina.

This topic isn't about Flames of Oblivion. It is about Stonefist and it's morphs. It's one good morph and it's other morph that makes your toon look like you've been crapped on.

If u feel that you will be getting rekt by stamDKs with that change, plz do come forth and admit that you are afraid that you will be rekt by stamDKs that have access to a stamina morph of Stonefist @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

What are you taking about? Lol wrecked by a dk that had a stamia morph of a crappy skill in the first place? You are talking about PvP, I don't really PvP, so good luck with that and nowhere in your op did you state this was for PvP.

Also if you can't manage your magic for a skill that only needs to be casted every 15 seconds, that is your problem. Especially since the ablity only costs 2k magic and will give you between 2-4k dps extra.

I suppose also that no one wants to talk about stone fist is that it is a really useless skill, no mag do uses it and do healers rarely use the heal morph, there are much better options for the things you want it to do. As has been pointed out in this very thread. But you might be too slow to realize that.

ye because the rest of the Dragon Knight CLASS skills which mostly cost magika are as low as Flames of Oblivion.
And because the rest of THE MAGIKA COSTING SKILLS will only be casted every 15s in your dreams. More like they need to be used every 7s if a CC and every 4s if Igneous Shield. Not to mention ALL THE OTHER MAGIKA COSTING SKILLS.

Ye flames of Oblivion in magika cost is better that a would be stamina costing flames of oblivion.

Back to topic.

You don't PvP? Well then what's your problem with the useless Stonefist morph to be changed in Stamina cost? What is your issue with that? @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

First, pro tip, when you capitalize words in your sentences like you are doing, I am sure you think you are emphasizing them but you really just come across as this guy- http://i.imgur.com/w5pcxtT.jpg

And to your last question, I have no problem with it. I clearly misunderstood the scope of this thread, as your thread title implyed you wanted a discussion about the skill Stonefist, the class of Dragonknight and the relation of stamina class skills to the aforementioned topics. So good luck and back to topic.

GeorgeBlack

BohnT wrote: »

No good stamdk would ever use this crappy skill even if it had a stam morph. There are 4 stam cc's in the entire game: templar spear, dizzying swing, reverb bash, and magnum shot. As a dk in pvp you use one of the 3 weapons, if you don't use reverb you'll have a bad time because 1h+s is bread and butter for stamdk, it's one of the nastiest cc's in the game which grants you major defile on top to a very good cc that's sometimes hard to break and that can be AC'd perfectly.
If you want to use magskills then maybe get 1.3k magregen with bufffood just like nbs do to use cloak and fear more often, if you don't build for something don't expect to get it.
And if you use stonefist for the cc you really haven't heard about fossilize, a cc that goes through block and immobilizes after the cc breaks.
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What would you replace with Stone Giant. Tell us that @BohnT (If you knew me from ingame you wouldn't make that list with the 4 stam CCs)

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GeorgeBlack

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
If you had no problem with it just say so.

Everything else was not constructive.

BohnT

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

No good stamdk would ever use this crappy skill even if it had a stam morph. There are 4 stam cc's in the entire game: templar spear, dizzying swing, reverb bash, and magnum shot. As a dk in pvp you use one of the 3 weapons, if you don't use reverb you'll have a bad time because 1h+s is bread and butter for stamdk, it's one of the nastiest cc's in the game which grants you major defile on top to a very good cc that's sometimes hard to break and that can be AC'd perfectly.
If you want to use magskills then maybe get 1.3k magregen with bufffood just like nbs do to use cloak and fear more often, if you don't build for something don't expect to get it.
And if you use stonefist for the cc you really haven't heard about fossilize, a cc that goes through block and immobilizes after the cc breaks.
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What would you replace with Stone Giant. Tell us that @BohnT (If you knew me from ingame you wouldn't make that list with the 4 stam CCs)

You really have to read what People write in this post, i listed every cc you can easily use on your dk without needing to get a stam Morph of Stone fist.
Reverb Bash
Fossilize
Take flight
Dawnbreaker
dizziying swing

No one uses Stone giant except for one heavy attack gank build but other than that no one uses this useless skill, it deals low dmg, cc can be dodged and doesn't go thorugh block, gives a useless buff that many stamdks already have with puncture

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GeorgeBlack

BohnT wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

No good stamdk would ever use this crappy skill even if it had a stam morph. There are 4 stam cc's in the entire game: templar spear, dizzying swing, reverb bash, and magnum shot. As a dk in pvp you use one of the 3 weapons, if you don't use reverb you'll have a bad time because 1h+s is bread and butter for stamdk, it's one of the nastiest cc's in the game which grants you major defile on top to a very good cc that's sometimes hard to break and that can be AC'd perfectly.
If you want to use magskills then maybe get 1.3k magregen with bufffood just like nbs do to use cloak and fear more often, if you don't build for something don't expect to get it.
And if you use stonefist for the cc you really haven't heard about fossilize, a cc that goes through block and immobilizes after the cc breaks.
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What would you replace with Stone Giant. Tell us that @BohnT (If you knew me from ingame you wouldn't make that list with the 4 stam CCs)

You really have to read what People write in this post, i listed every cc you can easily use on your dk without needing to get a stam Morph of Stone fist.
Reverb Bash
Fossilize
Take flight
Dawnbreaker
dizziying swing

No one uses Stone giant except for one heavy attack gank build but other than that no one uses this useless skill, it deals low dmg, cc can be dodged and doesn't go thorugh block, gives a useless buff that many stamdks already have with puncture

Tell me what problem do you have with changing a useless morph like Stone Giant to a Dragonknight stamina cost CC which draws from the skill line passives?
Answer this. @BohnT I don't care about known facts that you assume that I am not aware of/already using.

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Rungar

if anything, this skill should be a stun with a taunt on it.

stun for 3 seconds, 1340 armor buff, and ranged taunt for 10-15 seconds.

get rid of that stun double damage mechanic

afterall the dragonknight is the designed tanking class. Its certainly not outrageous for the tanking class to have to have a unique taunt.

Jamini

Honestly, Stone Fist just needs to...have a use overall

Stonefist has lackluster damage, a short stun (which is inferior to most other stuns), high cost, and unappealing morphs (Obsidian Shard has almost no use. Stone Giant has even less use.) Very unappealing to use compared to pretty much everything (including Fossilize, which is from the SAME TREE)

It's a lackluster skill that sees very little play because of it, except for new characters leveling up Earthen Heart for the buffs within the tree.

Xvorg

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Sorcerers Nightblades and Templars (don't know about Warden) have Stamina Morphs.
Dragonknight have 2 stamina morphs. Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath.
Why not change one of the Stone Giant (one of the two morphs of the skill Stonefist) to a stamina morph?
@TheStealthDude


Also can you explain why would I not morph THIS skill, and how come Nightblades Sorcerers and Templars don't have a problem morphing their skills which one of the morphs is stamina?

In addition, I didn't suggest to touch Obsidian Shard (healing morph)

NBs have one physical based Ulti
Sorcs have none
DKs have 2 physical based ultis (corrosive armor and Take Flight)

Besides, why would a mDK use Obsidiab shard? for healing? Having whip, dragon blood and burning embers before in the line...

I disagree with your idea of giving away the only magicka based ranged cc skill for mDKs. Instead, I would like to give stam choking talons which is a physical dmg skill that costs magicka.

GeorgeBlack

Xvorg wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Sorcerers Nightblades and Templars (don't know about Warden) have Stamina Morphs.
Dragonknight have 2 stamina morphs. Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath.
Why not change one of the Stone Giant (one of the two morphs of the skill Stonefist) to a stamina morph?
@TheStealthDude


Also can you explain why would I not morph THIS skill, and how come Nightblades Sorcerers and Templars don't have a problem morphing their skills which one of the morphs is stamina?

In addition, I didn't suggest to touch Obsidian Shard (healing morph)

NBs have one physical based Ulti
Sorcs have none
DKs have 2 physical based ultis (corrosive armor and Take Flight)

Besides, why would a mDK use Obsidiab shard? for healing? Having whip, dragon blood and burning embers before in the line...

I disagree with your idea of giving away the only magicka based ranged cc skill for mDKs. Instead, I would like to give stam choking talons which is a physical dmg skill that costs magicka.

I could work with any CC. fossilize would be my fav because the enemy loses a load of stamina to get out of trouble.
However, i wanted stone giant to become a stamina skill, since it's NOT BEING USED BY ANYBODY. Asking for too much??


PS. Are you a mDK? Are you using the Poop Giant morph?
Give me a stamina Obsidian Shard. Thnx
@Xvorg

Anti_Virus

Xvorg wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Sorcerers Nightblades and Templars (don't know about Warden) have Stamina Morphs.
Dragonknight have 2 stamina morphs. Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath.
Why not change one of the Stone Giant (one of the two morphs of the skill Stonefist) to a stamina morph?
@TheStealthDude


Also can you explain why would I not morph THIS skill, and how come Nightblades Sorcerers and Templars don't have a problem morphing their skills which one of the morphs is stamina?

In addition, I didn't suggest to touch Obsidian Shard (healing morph)

NBs have one physical based Ulti
Sorcs have none
DKs have 2 physical based ultis (corrosive armor and Take Flight)

Besides, why would a mDK use Obsidiab shard? for healing? Having whip, dragon blood and burning embers before in the line...

I disagree with your idea of giving away the only magicka based ranged cc skill for mDKs. Instead, I would like to give stam choking talons which is a physical dmg skill that costs magicka.

I wish stam DK had the following:

Choking talons,

Deep breath.

TheCaptainJosh

I also wish stamina dragonknights had more stamina morphs, but if I had the opportunity to choose it would not be this skill. Dragons blood, whip, spiked armor, or even fiery grip could all benefit much more from a stam morph than a stone giant stamina morph.

InFernalEntity

I think there should be more stamina morphs but ...and this is like a super huge point so stay on board.

If it were the reverse and everything cost stam with 2-3 magicka morphs, the only magicka skills outside those 2/3 would be the destro line, the resto line and the mages guild line. (Maybe the pvp line but not everyone levels that)

With 2-3 stamina morphs there are still 4 stamina based weapon lines for you to get your skills from. Plus fighters guild. And the pvp line again... that's 12 more (counting ults) available stam scaling abilities. So if you have 15 magicka class abilities it evens out. Whereas if you do it backwards it doesn't.

The solution? Additional stamina and magicka morphs than just the 2 we have right now.
There's 4 roles:
Tank
Heal
Mag DPS
Stam DPS

And yet every ability only seems to cover two of these. Sometimes both morphs cover the same role.

But yeah. Basically it's for balance. Stam gets double the weapon lines or 24 stamina scaling skills compared to 12 for mag.
Mag gets the majority of the class skills. You might not find it fair but the numbers even out roughly.

Toc de Malsvi

I think the idea was less that it is a particular skill that stamina wants, but rather instead that its a morph that magicka doesn't want or need and it would add some more DK flavor to stamina DK's. Essentially it could be added to the stamina DK toolkit without really hurting magicka DK. As a virtually useless morph I agree that it would be cool as a stamina option, although I doubt very much that many would use it.

Emmagoldman

There are 4 stam abilities in the dk line. I personally dont have issues using class and weapon abilities. While yes, mag users have more class abilities, we also get three dps weapon lines, while they have 1.

Do you have problems with mag sustain on stam? Personally I dont, but i refresh only when necessary.

MaxwellC

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Sorcerers Nightblades and Templars (don't know about Warden) have Stamina Morphs.
Dragonknight have 2 stamina morphs. Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath.
Why not change one of the Stone Giant (one of the two morphs of the skill Stonefist) to a stamina morph?
@TheStealthDude


Also can you explain why would I not morph THIS skill, and how come Nightblades Sorcerers and Templars don't have a problem morphing their skills which one of the morphs is stamina?

In addition, I didn't suggest to touch Obsidian Shard (healing morph)

Stamdks also have Flames of Oblivion, it scales with your highest stat, so it does real good damage regardless of mag/Stam even though it costs magic. So you there you go.

So Stam dks have the same amount of active skills as nb, temps and sorcs, that is three.

Yeah it does but it does not scale with the CP tree; Flames of Oblivions morph is also a joke and should have been changed to a single target DoT while Flames of Oblivion should have became an AoE again because clearly the skills states "Flames" as in more than one (Plural).

Tannus15

Well, the first obvious problem is how would a stam morph work with the helping hands passive.
Does it still restore stamina when you cast a stamina ability? That seems weird.

I would suggest dark talons should have a stamina morph, which would be choking talons as well as green dragon blood changed to a stamina heal.

But that's just my opinion.