74% dps on an overland boss

wesmont65

So yesterday i was in Reaper's March and in zone chat a guy asked for help with an overland boss. Me and another guy showed up, we grouped up and went for it. After we've killed it, we continued on and went for all other bosses in the zone.
I've Combat Metrics installed to check my dps and after we've killed Queen of Three Mercies, the log showed that I've done 74% of damage to the boss and trash mobs. I know that one of the guys was cp74, magsorc and the other guy i don't remember his cp but he was fighting with 2h, so no tank. Now i am cp428, stamsorc with 5 hundings, 5 spriggans, i don't even have my monster set yet and i am not so good on my rotation and dps. On the training skeleton, my dps is at 20k at the moment.
So my question is: is Combat Metrics accurate enough? and if it is why i had 74% dps, is it because the 2 other guys were lower level or is it something else?

Berenhir

It is because most people in this game won't even reach 7k dps in their all green 6-1-1-1-1 hybrid setup with all regen glyphs and cp into treasure hunter and master gatherer.

WhiteMage

It's because potatoes aren't only found in PvP. They don't need to get better and aren't forced to either, so they won't. It's a side effect of "play the way you want." You are allowed to use absolutely worthless combinations of gear and skills because they've given you all the options but no guidance with it. That, and power creep. Try comparing all non-set piece gear with 2 full sets of 5pc. The difference is night and day, but how should they know? I didn't when I started out. Throw CP on after that and you could kill 10 of them alone in cyro, and not just because they are new.

altemriel

WhiteMage wrote: »

It's because potatoes aren't only found in PvP. They don't need to get better and aren't forced to either, so they won't. It's a side effect of "play the way you want." You are allowed to use absolutely worthless combinations of gear and skills because they've given you all the options but no guidance with it. That, and power creep. Try comparing all non-set piece gear with 2 full sets of 5pc. The difference is night and day, but how should they know? I didn't when I started out. Throw CP on after that and you could kill 10 of them alone in cyro, and not just because they are new.

well yes, I also was an adventurer like you, then I got an arrow to the knee .
I was like potato until level 50, no idea about sets nor builds , then I got a talk with a guildie and he crafted me some sets and adviced stuff and I have done so and my stats doubled

wesmont65

As I said, I didn't post to make the other two guys feel bad, actually they're very nice guys and we had a lot of fun playing together, and on the other hand i am not so good on my dps so it was a surprise that 74%.
You're all saying that cp difference is not the reason but ignorance is?

Yakidafi

wesmont65 wrote: »

As I said, I didn't post to make the other two guys feel bad, actually they're very nice guys and we had a lot of fun playing together, and on the other hand i am not so good on my dps so it was a surprise that 74%.
You're all saying that cp difference is not the reason but ignorance is?

alot of players you can beat up even though you are lvl 30 and they CP something. Some get very surprised by this saying they expected to win and wonder how it happened

Edit: gear and experience/skill

WuffyCerulei

Most people asking for help with world bosses aren't very serious with pve. They quest, rp, etc. I can usually solo them since their mechanics are simple and easy to avoid, but some do require more than one person.

tunepunk

I went on some random 4 man dungeons (normal and vet) in some rare occasions did up to 80% of the DPS, and I'm not a very well geared or very skilled by any means.

It happens sometimes, and I was once like that also, just playing for fun not trying to beat any DPS records.

kuro-dono

some ppl arent actually in rush to clear content, thay take their nice sweet time.

Beardimus

20k on a dummy is respectable. My vMA build when i ran it was about 17k if that helps.

CP pays a part but rotation etc and sets etc more so

Sarato

LOLOLOL feelsbadman

wesmont65

kuro-dono wrote: »

some ppl arent actually in rush to clear content, thay take their nice sweet time.

you're right, I am not gonna judge the way people play the game, the most important thing is to have fun and make friends. It's only a game after all.

Cogo

@wesmont65 you are bugged. Petition support to nerf you.

wesmont65

Beardimus wrote: »

20k on a dummy is respectable. My vMA build when i ran it was about 17k if that helps.

CP pays a part but rotation etc and sets etc more so

Thank you!! My next move is to buy a house with a yard so I could get a skeleton and practice.

wesmont65

Cogo wrote: »

@wesmont65 you are bugged. Petition support to nerf you.

Haha, if I am bugged then what @fearturbo and @Gilliamtherogue are when they hit 35k -40k dps?

Cogo

wesmont65 wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

@wesmont65 you are bugged. Petition support to nerf you.

Haha, if I am bugged then what @fearturbo and @Gilliamtherogue are when they hit 35k -40k dps?

Maybe they had girlfriend over? Or just lazy ^^

wesmont65

Cogo wrote: »

wesmont65 wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

@wesmont65 you are bugged. Petition support to nerf you.

Haha, if I am bugged then what @fearturbo and @Gilliamtherogue are when they hit 35k -40k dps?

Maybe they had girlfriend over? Or just lazy ^^

lol

theamazingx

Common occurence even in dungeon finder. If you question the accuracy, look at how much damage you did to the boss in the report and compare it to the boss's max health. That's as accurate as you can get, unless the boss has a heal.

wesmont65

theamazingx wrote: »

Common occurence even in dungeon finder. If you question the accuracy, look at how much damage you did to the boss in the report and compare it to the boss's max health. That's as accurate as you can get, unless the boss has a heal.

Very smart remark, I haven't thought about that, I'll definitely check this out.

Lord_Eomer

altemriel wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

It's because potatoes aren't only found in PvP. They don't need to get better and aren't forced to either, so they won't. It's a side effect of "play the way you want." You are allowed to use absolutely worthless combinations of gear and skills because they've given you all the options but no guidance with it. That, and power creep. Try comparing all non-set piece gear with 2 full sets of 5pc. The difference is night and day, but how should they know? I didn't when I started out. Throw CP on after that and you could kill 10 of them alone in cyro, and not just because they are new.

well yes, I also was an adventurer like you, then I got an arrow to the knee .
I was like potato until level 50, no idea about sets nor builds , then I got a talk with a guildie and he crafted me some sets and adviced stuff and I have done so and my stats doubled

I had no idea of sets/min/max dps untill i reached Veteran 16 on my 2nd toon..

Mazbt

The game does a horrible job teaching people how to min/max their damage and their rotations. You have to usually learn the hard way how bad your damage is or you need to ask people or look at outside resources.

Nestor

I go through delves all the time and watch other players. With Trash mobs I take out in a HA Skill with maybe another Skill rotation, I watch them get into protracted fights and use 5 to 8, or more, attacks to take down the same mob. Now, of course there are players who take out the mobs in 2 or 3 attacks like I do.

Bottom line, Delve and delve bosses in this game don't require more than 4 figures of DPS to prevail, so most players do not develop their characters beyond this much, no need to. When they do WB's, they do so with other players around, so again, no need to develop more DPS with them. Dolmens, same thing. Also, some people like protracted fights.

I prefer to take down mobs as quickly as I can, but I was never in a race to do so. It was not until I started doing Vet Dungeons that I really took a look at what I was doing and took steps to improve it. Most of the steps were just using a different rotation or a simple gear change. The difference for most people between 6/7K DPS and 15 to 18K DPS is not all that much.

JinMori

wesmont65 wrote: »

So yesterday i was in Reaper's March and in zone chat a guy asked for help with an overland boss. Me and another guy showed up, we grouped up and went for it. After we've killed it, we continued on and went for all other bosses in the zone.
I've Combat Metrics installed to check my dps and after we've killed Queen of Three Mercies, the log showed that I've done 74% of damage to the boss and trash mobs. I know that one of the guys was cp74, magsorc and the other guy i don't remember his cp but he was fighting with 2h, so no tank. Now i am cp428, stamsorc with 5 hundings, 5 spriggans, i don't even have my monster set yet and i am not so good on my rotation and dps. On the training skeleton, my dps is at 20k at the moment.
So my question is: is Combat Metrics accurate enough? and if it is why i had 74% dps, is it because the 2 other guys were lower level or is it something else?

It is accurate, in some dungeons i even got 90 % of the total dps.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Yes, Combat Metrics is accurate. You kicked tail!

wesmont65

Nestor wrote: »

I go through delves all the time and watch other players. With Trash mobs I take out in a HA Skill with maybe another Skill rotation, I watch them get into protracted fights and use 5 to 8, or more, attacks to take down the same mob. Now, of course there are players who take out the mobs in 2 or 3 attacks like I do.

Bottom line, Delve and delve bosses in this game don't require more than 4 figures of DPS to prevail, so most players do not develop their characters beyond this much, no need to. When they do WB's, they do so with other players around, so again, no need to develop more DPS with them. Dolmens, same thing. Also, some people like protracted fights.

I prefer to take down mobs as quickly as I can, but I was never in a race to do so. It was not until I started doing Vet Dungeons that I really took a look at what I was doing and took steps to improve it. Most of the steps were just using a different rotation or a simple gear change. The difference for most people between 6/7K DPS and 15 to 18K DPS is not all that much.

That's another thing worth mentioned. The pve scaling of difficulty is not balanced at all. I mean, you can kill pretty much all zone mobs, delve bosses, public dungeon bosses with 2-3 hits, I am not even finish one circle of my rotation and everything is dead.
Then you go to vet dungeons or vet trials and the difficulty suddenly goes up considerably and you feel lost. The only option in the game to test your rotation and get better is the training skeleton.

SquareSausage

Noobs, noobs everywhere.

Code2501

I find it humorous that so many players assume full DPS builds are the only way people play... The thought never occurs to them that some people casually play tanks, healers or even more flexible builds that let them solo group content with ease.
I suppose that much of the game is designed around DPS races doesn't help with encouraging diversity.

Crafts_Many_Boxes

Code2501 wrote: »

I find it humorous that so many players assume full DPS builds are the only way people play... The thought never occurs to them that some people casually play tanks, healers or even more flexible builds that let them solo group content with ease.
I suppose that much of the game is designed around DPS races doesn't help with encouraging diversity.

This is a great point. My templar is 309 CP but doesn't do great dps because 1) most of my gear is epic and not gold and 2) I mostly just run survival sets because I haven't really gotten into serious endgame with him yet, just normal and group dungeons.

I run 5x Bahraha's curse and 5x withered hand normally. I don't have too many monster helms yet, so I don't have any worthwhile combos. Point being, running curse and withered hand, I basically can't die in open world. I can solo pretty much anything no problem, and I can almost solo non-DLC world bosses.

I keep telling myself I'm gonna craft some julianos and either farm for war maiden or soulshine, but that hasn't happened yet and I'm in no rush. I'm sure a lot of those players OP is seeing in open world are in similar situations, but then again I'm sure just as many actually are potatoes

Oreyn_Bearclaw

74% in a pug group seems kinda low to be honest. Yes I am joking a bit, but when I queue for random dungeons, I am often in the 70-80% range (i have done vet bosses at north of 95%). Damage in this game scales very fast once you know what you are doing, and most people struggling with WBs havent got a clue. I am curious what the total group damage was.

When I tank random dungeons, I often see total group DPS of 10-15k. So if you for example assume in that scenario that each DPS is pulling 7k and the group total is 15k to be nice, and you then replace one of them with an elite player pulling say 45k. That player is going to pull about 85% group DPS. 45/(15-7+45)=84.9%.

wahoozie

I'd call it normal. If I'm in a random vet dungeon I consider myself very lucky if the 3 other members have a combined total of 10k dps. When I play my sap tank I'm usually pulling anywhere from 30-50% group damage.

Xvorg

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Most people asking for help with world bosses aren't very serious with pve. They quest, rp, etc. I can usually solo them since their mechanics are simple and easy to avoid, but some do require more than one person.

This

If you want to grind sets, you should try a grinding build... there are a lot.