Should ZOS buff the warden bear?

Smasherx74

The bear has bad AI, and it doesn't do very much dps nor does it hold aggro. So how about this, change the 2 morphs for the bear from stam/mag dps based to Tank/DPS based. Instead of having a stam morph, they should instead make the bear have a tank ability to either Aggro or CC. The dps morph should have way better AOE dps, and the ult should hit way harder.

FrostFallFox

They could make it have more consistent value and it would be much better already I think. Sometimes it misses and other times it's gone ghost lol.

Voxicity

Yep

Massively. The thing is absolute garbage

Smasherx74

Yep

I don't expect them to overhaul the AI, but we do need increased DPS or some sort of other ability to make the Bear more viable in regular use.


The bear is under the DPS skill line for wardens. So I assume ZOS wants to make it DPS. If that's the case then give us CC and DPS morphs. This Stam/Mag morph is utterly useless considering how weak and inconsistent the bear is.

bloodthirstyvampire

Nope

Do you want it to be so OP it could solo VMA and vet trials on its own

Tyreal1974

Only votes yup because the bear does need some fixing and I tend to like the idea of summoned pets having either tank or dps focus. Though I think more focus should be spent fixing the AI before any changes are made. I believe it is kind of hard to evaluate the effectiveness of the bear when the critter glitches out and disappears throughout half the fight due to pathing issues.

idk

If you saw the damage the storm atro does you'd see the bear is on par.

Maikon

Yep

Seeing as how if you want to use the bear, you have to take up both of your ult slots, that *** should be way more useful.

Maikon

Yep

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

If you saw the damage the storm atro does you'd see the bear is on par.

The storm atro doesn't take up both slots, so you have options. This just sideways *** you.

Smasherx74

Yep

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Do you want it to be so OP it could solo VMA and vet trials on its own

No I just want it so OP that it can be a viable ult...

Lord_Eomer

Yep

Bear is taking ultimate slots on both bars and in return damage is a lot more poor single target and missing most of time. Bear moves so slow if target moves away bear lose its special attack.

While activating ultimate if you mistakenly did heavy attack bear willl not complete speical attack and instead run toward target on whom you did heavy attack.

Stam Warden loses 8% weapon damage for not slotting flawless dawnbreaker and magicka warden loses powerful Destro Ultimates.

Bear need a big buff hug or its a dead ultimate!

Bear special attack should apply DOT and 50% addional damage should deliver to nearby enemies.

Warden Bear hype was unreal!

SanTii.92

Yep

Yes, what should be done:

First and foremost the bug where the bear is alive but just lost, invisible, dissapeared has to be a top priority and fixed immidiatly. It happens way too often, It's really annoying and the cause of plenty lost fights.

Second, the bear should be allowed to be single barred it. Why? Becuase while the ult is a good single target dps skill, it just can't compete with the massive amount of aoe that the destro one provides Nor the utility a second ult (read healing one) provides for Pvp.

And this is how it should be implemented: Some of the bear dps should be moved from the bear's basic attack to the ulti proc so we are forced to choose between aoe dmge / utility or single target dps, the dmge it should also be splitted in two partes done in a 1.5 - 2 seconds lapse so the burst is managable for pvp, and maybe increase the ult proc to 85.

SanTii.92

Yep

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Bear is taking ultimate slots on both bars and in return damage is a lot more poor single target and missing most of time. Bear moves so slow if target moves away bear lose its special attack.

Stam Warden loses 8% weapon damage for not slotting flawless dawnbreaker and magicka warden loses powerful Destro Ultimates.
Bear need a big buff hug or its a dead ultimate!

The bear is currently the best single target dmge ult in the game. Even at the cost of the 8% max magicka / weapon dmge.

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FlyLionel

Make is BIS by quite a bit for single target fights, that's all.

Lord_Eomer

Yep

SanTii.92 wrote: »

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Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Bear is taking ultimate slots on both bars and in return damage is a lot more poor single target and missing most of time. Bear moves so slow if target moves away bear lose its special attack.

While activating ultimate if you mistakenly did heavy attack bear willl not complete speical attack and instead run toward target on whom you did heavy attack.

Stam Warden loses 8% weapon damage for not slotting flawless dawnbreaker and magicka warden loses powerful Destro Ultimates.

Bear need a big buff hug or its a dead ultimate!

The bear is currently the best single target dmge ult in the game. Even at the cost of the 8% max magicka.

Bow ultimate simply outperform this as stamina and shooting star outperform a way more.

For your information, not slotting destro ultimate is a huge dps loss over this best single target ultimate bear

PVP has no room for pets, they always die fast and proven garbage!

eso_nya

Nope

Both answers.

Yes, cause for endgame pve it is very weak, given it uses up both ulti slots.

No, cause for zoning/questing it is far to strong for carrying new players, u r good if u lightattack everything with your bow, while the bear does the killing.

So its not worth slotting vs not teaching you how to stand your ground on your own.

Anhedonie

Nope

*** bear. AI is garbage beyond redemption.
Warden needs to have a lot of abilities reworked, actually.

SanTii.92

Yep

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

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SanTii.92 wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Bear is taking ultimate slots on both bars and in return damage is a lot more poor single target and missing most of time. Bear moves so slow if target moves away bear lose its special attack.

While activating ultimate if you mistakenly did heavy attack bear willl not complete speical attack and instead run toward target on whom you did heavy attack.

Stam Warden loses 8% weapon damage for not slotting flawless dawnbreaker and magicka warden loses powerful Destro Ultimates.

Bear need a big buff hug or its a dead ultimate!

The bear is currently the best single target dmge ult in the game. Even at the cost of the 8% max magicka.

Bow ultimate simply outperform this as stamina and shooting star outperform a way more.

For your information, not slotting destro ultimate is a huge dps loss over your best single target ultimate bear

Bow ulti does not out perform the bear at all. Are you considering all thre parts of bear dps or just the proc? you must be missing something.

Do you mean not slotting ele storm is a dps loss for the destro passive, for the lack of aoe dmge or you think it's more single target dmge? If the first, there are ways to build around it, the second i'd agree and the third is just plain wrong.

Morimizo

Yep

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Do you want it to be so OP it could solo VMA and vet trials on its own

Yes.

Wait, is that wrong?

Docmandu

As long as they don't make the bear a passive... would hate to have that thing follow me around everywhere... already freak out everytime the betty comes into my view.. always think it's an enemy about to jump me!

Anhedonie

Nope

Morimizo wrote: »

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bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Do you want it to be so OP it could solo VMA and vet trials on its own

Yes.

Wait, is that wrong?

Ask a petsorc.

Lord_Eomer

Yep

SanTii.92 wrote: »

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Lord_Dexter wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Bear is taking ultimate slots on both bars and in return damage is a lot more poor single target and missing most of time. Bear moves so slow if target moves away bear lose its special attack.

While activating ultimate if you mistakenly did heavy attack bear willl not complete speical attack and instead run toward target on whom you did heavy attack.

Stam Warden loses 8% weapon damage for not slotting flawless dawnbreaker and magicka warden loses powerful Destro Ultimates.

Bear need a big buff hug or its a dead ultimate!

The bear is currently the best single target dmge ult in the game. Even at the cost of the 8% max magicka.

Bow ultimate simply outperform this as stamina and shooting star outperform a way more.

For your information, not slotting destro ultimate is a huge dps loss over your best single target ultimate bear

Bow ulti does not out perform the bear at all. Are you considering all thre parts of bear dps or just the proc? you must be missing something.

Do you mean not slotting ele storm is a dps loss for the destro passive, for the lack of aoe dmge or you think it's more single target dmge? If the first, there are ways to build around it, the second i'd agree and the third is just plain wrong.

Bow ultimate on sorc with reduce cost and causing lot of single target damage comparing warden bear ultimate special, bear ia most of time fooling around b/w mobs. You cast heavy attack and bear just moving and wasting time.

When Destro ultimate showers aoe damage, hardest mobs melts away..

It also ignores 10% resistance.

Slotting bear is a way more trade off, i am not sure how are you claiming this bear as best single traget ultimate.

I am sure you are using bear in end game trials why not post some videos gere!

I suggest you do couple of tests yourself and post videos ..

Cpt_Teemo

Yep

They need to buff bear and act more like a tank then make cliffracer a summon instead of a cast as a dps pet like the sorc has 2.

Anhedonie

Nope

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

They need to buff bear and act more like a tank then make cliffracer a summon instead of a cast as a dps pet like the sorc has 2.

And you suggest these changes, even knowing that warden is trash tier class dps-wise right now, right?

SturgeHammer

Yep

I would like the reactivation of the bear ult to teleport the bear to the target, then perform the execute attack. For me at least, that would be a nice quality of life improvement and make the bear slightly more reliable.

Floki_Vilgerdarson

Nope

The bear is an "Execute" if you read the tool tip. I have seen it crit for 40k on bosses with low health. Other than an Execute is is worthless for any rotation or damage in PVE. Just think of it as your tank and don't activate it unless your target is really low health.

Sorry but Wardens are for looking pretty, not posting insane dps scores.

Peace and Love Always,

Floki

aisriyth_ESO

Nope

I voted no, not because i think the bear is good. I said no because pet AI/pathing is terrible and the bear suffers the most. If that was fixed and they implemented better pet controls it would go a long way to helping the bear without having to possible break the skill.

Edit: The bear actually hits incredibly hard....when it hits. So, yes it is a on paper a great single target Ult. It just has the above issues i spoke about to contend with. Fix that first, then reevaluate to see if it needs buffing.

SanTii.92

Yep

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Slotting bear is a way more trade off, i am not sure how are you claiming this bear as best single traget ultimate.
I am sure you are using bear in end game trials why not post some videos gere!

I'm well aware of the limitations of the bear on actual trial environments, i'm just pointing out that as a straight up single target damaging skill the bear is among the best ulti, if not the single best one, in the game. Elemental stornm can't even compete.

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

PVP has no room for pets, they always die fast and proven garbage!

Only thing that has been proven is that you quite literally have no idea what your are talking about.

Jusey1

Yep

I hadn't played warden yet but from what I've saw of other wardens... I thought that the bear was a normal ability due to how little it seems to do compared to what the warden himself does with his time.

If it is really an ultimate then it really needs a rework. Either make the bear much stronger overall or make the bear more of a passive combat pet while the ultimate get either replaced or make it a single-target bear-mauling attack... As in, the ultimate requires you to point to a target and the bear basically mauls the target down in a cc effect (if not immune), doing massive overtime damage. If the target is immune to cc though, it will do a smaller amount of massive damage instantly instead.

This way, you have a pretty meh companion helping you at all times, which I thought what the bear would've done in the first place, while having a possibly useful single-target ultimate which you can have full control over it (like other people said, AI sucks).

Cillion3117

Yep

Just make it pull agro and I'll be happy.

Jusey1

Yep

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Bow ulti

I'll be honest. I never used the bow ultimate. My first character who does uses a bow as his secondary uses the soul magic ultimate instant since it does over 20k single target damage, is quick to charge, and I can boost the damage it does with another ability... So never thought about trying out the bow ultimate with him.