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Has Anyone Heard About the Queue Exploit?
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭grim_tactics wrote: »Am I reading this right that this glitch is --
If I'm AD and the queue time is crazy long - I could queue with a group that's a different alliance, get thrown in and even though I'm thrown on the AD side it counts towards the other factions player count?
Just want to make sure I'm reading this right or not. Played PvP a lot but haven't heard of this.
Yup.0 -
grim_tactics✭✭✭✭✭grim_tactics wrote: »Am I reading this right that this glitch is --
If I'm AD and the queue time is crazy long - I could queue with a group that's a different alliance, get thrown in and even though I'm thrown on the AD side it counts towards the other factions player count?
Just want to make sure I'm reading this right or not. Played PvP a lot but haven't heard of this.
Yup.
Thank you.
I saw you posted this in my thread so just wanted to check.0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Am I reading this right that this glitch is --
If I'm AD and the queue time is crazy long - I could queue with a group that's a different alliance, get thrown in and even though I'm thrown on the AD side it counts towards the other factions player count?
Just want to make sure I'm reading this right or not. Played PvP a lot but haven't heard of this.
Yup.
Thank you.
I saw you posted this in my thread so just wanted to check.
You're welcome. I just hope that the devs I tagged will see this thread, and hopefully have some plans that they can share with us about how they'll tackle this increasing problem. The last thing I'm sure the devs want, is for PvP to become a game of who can lock who out of the opposing alliance the most.1 -
dmar613✭✭✭yes this is known by devs, they said they would look into it bit it seems that they swept it under the rug. currently on xbox one in vivec camp the q is 106 for blue. less then a week ago the server was 3 bar yellow 0 other 2 alliances on average.... however, now it is three bar red three bar yellow and three bar blue. I know that there are some blue and some red that are really in the campagne, but compared to the yellow lol it is obvious. it is the same thing that the blue have done in shor when it is empty ealier in the day.... so to re iterate, in the am in vivec... yellow achieve poplock b4 other alliances and since their que gets long they start using other alliances to skip past waiting for their q and in return it counts as the faction that qued them in even though they yellow. with this being said the ava cyrodil has the potential to be estimated 550 yellows 25 red 25 blue the end.
Capitals and punctuation are your friend, and mine too. I honestly can't even with this post. I have gathered that you're defending my statement in that something is going on, but outside of that? I'm completely lost for words.
not my problem4th Grand Overlord For DC Xbox One. 123,486 pvp kills Crip from the Sexy Time Slayers aka Leaps of Dreamz2 -
Jailbirdy✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Been a problem since One Tamriel and easy alliance switching.
A red group leader can form a group of yellow buddies and queue them into Cyrodiil and the number queued counts against the red population just as an example. I imagine all alliances some may be abusing this. They are working on a fix or so they said.
@ZOS_GinaBruno Hey Gina, any word on this? Thanks.
Yes, it is rampant on the Xbox NA servers.
I have not seen a post addressing this issue from ZOS but this will NOT be good with the AP event coming up next month!Disclaimer: The statements and information from this account are for entertainment & informational purposes only. Any interpretation, implied or otherwise does not constitute negligence on any part of this forum posting.0 -
Jailbirdy✭✭✭✭✭whats even the point of letting people queue as a group for cyrodiil? just make them enter solo and group up once inside
Well, simple, but, this sounds like the best fix and when the developers put down those donuts, they should be able to implement this....
...assuming they ever run out of donuts
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laksikus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nobody knows exactly if queuing for another alliance coutns towards them or your own alliance.
How do you think people that claim tested it, did it?
you would have to qeueu 100s people at the same time to test it.
My assamption that you just circumvent your own alliance queue filling up a spot on your own alliance.
e.g: your alliance has 500/500 people in cyro, you circumvent it, and then its 501/500.
So the only thing that will be affected in the long run, is the queue of your own alliance, as people can still only join through your queue wenn people count is under 500.
My assamption is based on the fact that you spawn in your own alliances spawnpoint. There was a time, when you queued with another alliance you spawn in their spawnpoint, and that has been fixed for some time now.
But as long ZOS doesnt tell us, nobody knows for sure. And everyone telling you different just looks for an excuse why his alliance is weaker.
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stevepdodson_ESO888✭✭✭✭✭
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or he just doesn't understand the English language...perhaps he is Spanish and just asking "Que" (what?)
i suspect he lives under a bridge waiting for goats to cross so he can come out and eat them4 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nobody knows exactly if queuing for another alliance coutns towards them or your own alliance.
How do you think people that claim tested it, did it?
you would have to qeueu 100s people at the same time to test it.
My assamption that you just circumvent your own alliance queue filling up a spot on your own alliance.
e.g: your alliance has 500/500 people in cyro, you circumvent it, and then its 501/500.
So the only thing that will be affected in the long run, is the queue of your own alliance, as people can still only join through your queue wenn people count is under 500.
My assamption is based on the fact that you spawn in your own alliances spawnpoint. There was a time, when you queued with another alliance you spawn in their spawnpoint, and that has been fixed for some time now.
But as long ZOS doesnt tell us, nobody knows for sure. And everyone telling you different just looks for an excuse why his alliance is weaker.
Except it was a lot easier to test on the PTS back when it was first discovered and Cyrodiil was enabled where there were fewer people so a test group or two would show a change in the population indicators.
An empty campaign on live would be another good place for testing.
This is not a new discovery.Edited by TequilaFire on June 25, 2017 3:11PM1 -
Slack✭✭✭✭✭"has anyone heard about the queue exploit".
-now I have
And yes thats lamePC EU
Betty Breeze - Magwarden
Hunts S'hitblades - Stamplar
Aschavi - Magplar2 -
Darlgon✭✭✭✭✭
✭yes this is known by devs, they said they would look into it bit it seems that they swept it under the rug. currently on xbox one in vivec camp the q is 106 for blue. less then a week ago the server was 3 bar yellow 0 other 2 alliances on average.... however, now it is three bar red three bar yellow and three bar blue. I know that there are some blue and some red that are really in the campagne, but compared to the yellow lol it is obvious. it is the same thing that the blue have done in shor when it is empty ealier in the day.... so to re iterate, in the am in vivec... yellow achieve poplock b4 other alliances and since their que gets long they start using other alliances to skip past waiting for their q and in return it counts as the faction that qued them in even though they yellow. with this being said the ava cyrodil has the potential to be estimated 550 yellows 25 red 25 blue the end.
Capitals and punctuation are your friend, and mine too. I honestly can't even with this post. I have gathered that you're defending my statement in that something is going on, but outside of that? I'm completely lost for words.
not my problem
Yes.. it is ... if no one can understand the symbols you put into thought.Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.1 -
red_emu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Every time an alliance is last on the score board one of those topics pops up. Plenty of times I queued up for AD with a full pop and seen hardly any groups there. Then a guild raid forms with like 8 players and we fly through enemy keeps like a storm. It's not about how many people you have logged in. It's about how good a raid group is. It changes all the time and there is always some thread how other alliance is cheating.PC - EU:
Falathren Noctis - AD MagNecro
Falathren - AD StamSorc
Falathren Eryndaer - AD StamDen
Falathren Irimion - AD MagPlar
Talagan Falathren - AD StamDK
Falathren Infernis - AD MagDK
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Every time an alliance is last on the score board one of those topics pops up. Plenty of times I queued up for AD with a full pop and seen hardly any groups there. Then a guild raid forms with like 8 players and we fly through enemy keeps like a storm. It's not about how many people you have logged in. It's about how good a raid group is. It changes all the time and there is always some thread how other alliance is cheating.
You could dismiss this if it were any game except eso and its long history of exploitation with hundreds of people banned for cheat engine , bypassing mechanics and co op AP farming . There's only like a history of video evidence spanning three years to go by lol .3 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Every time an alliance is last on the score board one of those topics pops up. Plenty of times I queued up for AD with a full pop and seen hardly any groups there. Then a guild raid forms with like 8 players and we fly through enemy keeps like a storm. It's not about how many people you have logged in. It's about how good a raid group is. It changes all the time and there is always some thread how other alliance is cheating.
You could dismiss this if it were any game except eso and its long history of exploitation with hundreds of people banned for cheat engine , bypassing mechanics and co op AP farming . There's only like a history of video evidence spanning three years to go by lol .
Lmao! Yoooo! You just made me spit out my lemonade.
Your comment rings so close to home, it doesn't even make sense. +1 to you, bruh. 0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Every time an alliance is last on the score board one of those topics pops up. Plenty of times I queued up for AD with a full pop and seen hardly any groups there. Then a guild raid forms with like 8 players and we fly through enemy keeps like a storm. It's not about how many people you have logged in. It's about how good a raid group is. It changes all the time and there is always some thread how other alliance is cheating.
Ok I will throw people like you who dismiss this issue a bone by saying it has not as much to do with one alliance's advantage over another as it does making me wait longer in my queue behind a group from an enemy alliance using our campaign gateway.
If you want to belong to the AD hordes use your own queue.Edited by TequilaFire on June 25, 2017 6:17PM1 -
Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭O.o Are you saying cross alliance groups can actually queue in Cyrodiil? That doesn't even make sense. You cannot group other alliance players while you're in Cyrodiil, if it lets you queue there with them it really sounds like someone just forgot to do a super simple alliance check upon queuing as well as upon in-Cyro grouping. My limited code understanding hints it should be something like 2 lines of code, "if <queue for Cyrodiil> then { if <all alliances the same> then proceed else terminate}", but of course it's never that simple with ZOS.Edited by Magdalina on June 25, 2017 6:39PM1 -
Magıc✭✭✭✭✭Got proof? So far on PC if I Q as an AD and I have DC in my group their numbers go up (addon allows to see numbers). That's why I don't see it being a problem. There's a reason even in a DC Q you can get stuck at 1 as an EP cause it's still waiting for there to free up EP space.0
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭O.o Are you saying cross alliance groups can actually queue in Cyrodiil? That doesn't even make sense. You cannot group other alliance players while you're in Cyrodiil, if it lets you queue there with them it really sounds like someone just forgot to do a super simple alliance check upon queuing as well as upon in-Cyro grouping. My limited code understanding hints it should be something like 2 lines of code, "if <queue for Cyrodiil> then { if <all alliances the same> then proceed else terminate}", but of course it's never that simple with ZOS.
The grouping is done before entering Cyrodiil, and yes a simple check to see all are in the same alliance as the group leader before entering Cyrodiil would fix the issue.
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »O.o Are you saying cross alliance groups can actually queue in Cyrodiil? That doesn't even make sense. You cannot group other alliance players while you're in Cyrodiil, if it lets you queue there with them it really sounds like someone just forgot to do a super simple alliance check upon queuing as well as upon in-Cyro grouping. My limited code understanding hints it should be something like 2 lines of code, "if <queue for Cyrodiil> then { if <all alliances the same> then proceed else terminate}", but of course it's never that simple with ZOS.
The grouping is done before entering Cyrodiil, and yes a simple check to see all are in the same alliance as the group leader before entering Cyrodiil would fix the issue.
Exactly. Thus why it is such a serious issue. The fix is simple. But as we all know, nothing is ever truly "simple" with ZOS for most things. >_>Edited by Ch4mpTW on June 25, 2017 6:54PM0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Got proof? So far on PC if I Q as an AD and I have DC in my group their numbers go up (addon allows to see numbers). That's why I don't see it being a problem. There's a reason even in a DC Q you can get stuck at 1 as an EP cause it's still waiting for there to free up EP space.
Why as an AD would you have DC in your group?
Oh wait, Green Alliance! lmao
On a serious note, you are bumping fellow AD waiting in line to get some DC players in so they don't have to wait in their own queue.Edited by TequilaFire on June 25, 2017 7:11PM1 -
Glamdring✭✭✭✭✭But as long ZOS doesnt tell us, nobody knows for sure.
I would say as long as ZoS keeps quiet, they dont have a *** clue how to fix it. If queue system wasnt broken/exploiteable they would have came out and said that by now. And i have seen very loopsided numbers on the factions even though all are poplocked enough times to know its broken.
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zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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And this is something who is very trivial to solve, check if all is in same alliance if not do error handling like disbanding group.TequilaFire wrote: »O.o Are you saying cross alliance groups can actually queue in Cyrodiil? That doesn't even make sense. You cannot group other alliance players while you're in Cyrodiil, if it lets you queue there with them it really sounds like someone just forgot to do a super simple alliance check upon queuing as well as upon in-Cyro grouping. My limited code understanding hints it should be something like 2 lines of code, "if <queue for Cyrodiil> then { if <all alliances the same> then proceed else terminate}", but of course it's never that simple with ZOS.
The grouping is done before entering Cyrodiil, and yes a simple check to see all are in the same alliance as the group leader before entering Cyrodiil would fix the issue.
Exactly. Thus why it is such a serious issue. The fix is simple. But as we all know, nothing is ever truly "simple" with ZOS for most things. >_>
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
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And this is something who is very trivial to solve, check if all is in same alliance if not do error handling like disbanding group.TequilaFire wrote: »O.o Are you saying cross alliance groups can actually queue in Cyrodiil? That doesn't even make sense. You cannot group other alliance players while you're in Cyrodiil, if it lets you queue there with them it really sounds like someone just forgot to do a super simple alliance check upon queuing as well as upon in-Cyro grouping. My limited code understanding hints it should be something like 2 lines of code, "if <queue for Cyrodiil> then { if <all alliances the same> then proceed else terminate}", but of course it's never that simple with ZOS.
The grouping is done before entering Cyrodiil, and yes a simple check to see all are in the same alliance as the group leader before entering Cyrodiil would fix the issue.
Exactly. Thus why it is such a serious issue. The fix is simple. But as we all know, nothing is ever truly "simple" with ZOS for most things. >_>
Bingo. It's incredibly trivial to fix. But the question is, will it ever be fixed? And even then, how long will the grace period be before we see a fix's arrival? Lol.0 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭So supposedly it is possible to queue for 1 alliance, even though you're part of another. And therefore increasing the queue/wait times for people of the alliance the exploiters are queuing for.
This has been something I've overheard being discussed numerous times on PS4-NA, and is the reason why it takes so long to join into Cyrodiil from the AD alliance. I also personally witnessed this for myself, as it seemed that there were little to no people on for the AD side. Yet tons upon tons of EP and DC. I had also overheard people in Cyrodiil 1 day in zone chat discussing how they're going to lock DC's side, for doing it to us so much.
Is this an actual thing, and if so why has something so serious like this been overlooked? Just like how you can activate Eye of the Storm, cloak, and have the entire AoE completely hidden while you're cloaked. WTF is this? Lol. I know there are all sorts of cheesy things occurring in Cyrodiil, but damn. People are taking things to an all new low.
yep its happening i have seen some in my guild posting can an a ep queue with my blue/ yellow so i can get into pvpMain character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike1 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yup. I was asked to do this for ad on Xbox and I did not and would not.
Even though I'm a proud AD, I'm very much so appreciative that you stood-up and did the right thing. You the real MVP for saying, "No." There's far too much exploiting and dishonest play as is, and it's comforting to know that there are players like you out there doing what's right. Kudos to you.0 -
Kodrac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭That's taking one for the team. How bored must you be to sit in a queue and do nothing with your time.1
