a tryhard person

Jurand80

i've been called a tryhard 3 times now. what is the meaning of it in mmo's? seems negative. since when?

bebynnag

negative

I think its supposed to be a negative

its basically a backhanded compliment

instead of someone saying, wow your really good at this particular thing that i myself struggle with they call you a tryhard, because acknowledging that someone is better than you is bad!

tonemd

negative

It's negative. The focus being the word "try".

It's not "succeedhard"

casparian

It's the MMO equivalent of older schoolyard insults, like calling someone a "smart aleck" or "know-it-all" because they got an A and you got a C. It isolates a person's advantages and portrays them as deviant or outside the bounds of normalcy.

Nestor

Are you having fun OP? If the answer is yes, then screw what anyone else says about you.

If your running group content and holding back the group, then find a group that is willing to teach, learn from them and apply it. Then you can go back to saying screw it to those who insult you again.

ShedsHisTail

I'd rather be a "tryhard" than a "giveupandruntotheforumscryingnerf...hard".

geonsocal

positive

ain't nothing bad about hard work and effort...i remember the first time i saw the quote below - it really clicked for me...


Edit: as an aside - you may want to chill a little and go with the flow when playing with others...change your focus on the true objective: to have a good time with others...

SirAndy

Jurand80 wrote: »

i've been called a tryhard 3 times now

Are you sure they didn't say "try harder" while tea-bagging your corpse?

WalksonGraves

negative

geonsocal wrote: »

ain't nothing bad about hard work and effort...i remember the first time i saw the quote below - it really clicked for me...

Weak, ignorant and willful is a recipe for disaster not success.

ShedsHisTail

WalksonGraves wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

ain't nothing bad about hard work and effort...i remember the first time i saw the quote below - it really clicked for me...

Weak, ignorant and willful is a recipe for disaster not success.

Ideally, the "will" in this situation is the "will" to correct being weak and ignorant, not simply a will to keep doing things the wrong way.

geonsocal

positive

WalksonGraves wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

ain't nothing bad about hard work and effort...i remember the first time i saw the quote below - it really clicked for me...

Weak, ignorant and willful is a recipe for disaster not success.

well yeah ...weak and ignorant are definitely some crappy adjectives...

lolo_01b16_ESO

negative

The context in which I know this word clearly has a bad touch.
Most people I know use it to describe players that try to kill one tanky player and focus so much that they loose track of what's happening around them.
E.g. when you play ep and see an enemy templar outside arrius. You and our group attack him and chase him when he tries to get away. Just before you reach chalman, you manage to kill him. Then you figure out, that some other dc players successfully sieged arrius while you were busy tryharding that one templar.

Twohothardware

negative

Someone that spends a large amount of time or clearly has gone way outside of the norm to have an advantage outside of just player skill is probably the best definition of someone that would get called a tryhard.

Spending hours or days say grinding out Dawnbreaker, Gold'ing out gear, double slotting resource poisons, ect just for a new character you're taking into the under lvl 50 PvP campaign so you can kill people that aren't going to waste that amount of time and effort on gear that will be irrelevant in a few levels would be a good example.

soll

negative

tryhards are:

...players, who ignoring meta and in purpose playing week class, week set up, avoiding cancer cheese builds so hard.
...some pvp'ers who are chasing certain players and only them, like they are their Joker for Batman.
...some players, who can't admit fail and will hit brick wall constantly, when clearly there is nothing can be done about.
... or just the ones who are following difficult ways to achieve anything.

can't call it "good" in anyway.

exeeter702

I guess ill answer this for you OP as apparently no one in this thread actuallu knows what the insult (yes its an insult) generally entails and implies.

The term has non online gaming roots but in regards to the insult used in competitive video games, it is used to label an individual who goes above and beyond acceptable, responsible or sufficient means to achieve a win condition in said game. Essentially expending considerable effort and resources to score a win via overkill.

To use an example scenario in eso where the insult would make sense - you are solo capping a district flag and a group of 5 show up and all of them get the jump on you from stealth with destro ults running. They could accurately be labeled as try hards. Often the insult is used inappropriately though.

TheStealthDude

negative

"Tryhard" is intended to be an insult, usually given by players who either don't understand how or don't care enough to compete with more experienced players. It's basically someone getting mad because another player is better, in either experience or skill or both.

It's probably the most stupid "insult" of the 21st century.

ShedsHisTail

"Tryhard" is a thing people say because it's a vague pun on "Die hard" and has insulting overtones created more by the context in which it's used than for any actual semantic, linguistic or etymological reason.

Nobody actually knows what it means, because it's nonsense.

StormWylf

Well I disagree to this extent, when someone uses the phrase "tryhard" what it really means is HEY LOOK AT ME. I'm an inarticulate arrogant prick, PLEASE put me on ignore.

Savos_Saren

So, here's the thing about naysayers... they're always going to think they're the best and their meta builds are OP. However, you'll have a lot more fun running your builds (and a lot more satisfaction knowing that it's YOUR build). As long as you're not in some sort of competitive, score-seeking Vet Trials guild- enjoy the game!

Just keep the sequels coming:

TryHard: With a Vengeance

Live Free or TryHard

A Good Day to TryHard.

Wreuntzylla

Don't know where these interpretations come from, but its an old word for someone that does everything they can to fit in. Conformism and imitation salted with bobble head agreement. Usually you tell a tryhard to just relax and be themselves.

theamazingx

This is the best example of it's use you will find.

CTSCold

Twohothardware wrote: »

Someone that spends a large amount of time or clearly has gone way outside of the norm to have an advantage outside of just player skill is probably the best definition of someone that would get called a tryhard.

Spending hours or days say grinding out Dawnbreaker, Gold'ing out gear, double slotting resource poisons, ect just for a new character you're taking into the under lvl 50 PvP campaign so you can kill people that aren't going to waste that amount of time and effort on gear that will be irrelevant in a few levels would be a good example.

This is the best example on here in my opinion. The only place I've heard it used is in BWB (kyne) in reference to someone who, as mentioned by two hot hardware, grinds out dbos, grinds out sets for every few levels in the right traits, golds there sub 50 gear just to dominate in BWB. Also 'sweaty' is used to imply your trying harder than others.

Insomnia rex

negative

Jurand80 wrote: »

i've been called a tryhard 3 times now. what is the meaning of it in mmo's? seems negative. since when?

PC EU's @Jurand80?

O_LYKOS

I see it as someone who takes everything possible in a game that is the best to do their best. Thus "trying hard" to be the best.

Basically people who aren't as good as you will call you a try hard for trying your best. Same people who claim it's "just" a game and question why you take it so seriously yet play all day every day themselves lol

Rahotu

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Don't know where these interpretations come from, but its an old word for someone that does everything they can to fit in. Conformism and imitation salted with bobble head agreement. Usually you tell a tryhard to just relax and be themselves.

That's about the best definition of tryhard I've seen,and the saying has been around since well before Bruce was flirting with Cybil,so it has nothing to do with the die hard movies...

olivesforge

positive

I consider any insult a compliment. Considering that the worst thing in life is to be unnoticed. Yes I would prefer to be "hatefully remembered."

Asardes

positive

Well if the result is positive then it's a compliment. It's the opposite of the player who posts here complaining about content difficulty, asking it to be nerfed and disparaging the 'elitists' who try to give him useful advice. There are actually players who persist in their mistakes using inadequate gear, skills and strategy, losing badly as a result while criticising people who achieved far more. Referring to such people as 'tryhard' is clearly negative.

Ex.positive tryhard is a person who spends 6h in a DLC vet dungeon, learning the mechanics and finally beating it while a negative one is a person who dies repeatedly while failing the same mechanics, learning nothing in the process and rejecting or ignoring advice. I'm one of the former but I've seen quite a few of the latter.

StormWylf

It's interesting the things we can argue about. I think we can all agree it is a madeup word, not contained in a normal traditional dictionary. But I did look it up and found:
1. The Wiktionary states:
tryhard (plural tryhards)
(derogatory) A person usually of little talent who tries hard to succeed, especially through imitation, usually to gain fame or popularity.

2. The Urban Dictionary states
Top definition
try-hard
A person who puts a large amount of effort into achieving a certain image, or counter-image, to the point where it is obviously contrived. Rather than achieving an image through genuine personality, the try-hard consciously attempts to fit a certain style through deliberate imitation, forced style, or scripted behavior. That is to say, he/she is trying hard to create an image.
Examples: An affluent, suburban dweller who makes great efforts to cover himself in tattoos and piercings; try-hard.

A person who wears certain items of clothing for the express intention of appearing "non-conformist", and flaunts it; try-hard.

Someone who purchases a motorcycle only to appear as a "bad-boy"; try-hard.

A person who shuns certain genres or styles of music or art simply because it does not fit his self-image, or the image he wants to portray; try-hard.

I submit, it is a derogatory term, and I stand by my previous definition.

Waffennacht

negative

I

StormWylf wrote: »

It's interesting the things we can argue about. I think we can all agree it is a madeup word, not contained in a normal traditional dictionary. But I did look it up and found:
1. The Wiktionary states:
tryhard (plural tryhards)
(derogatory) A person usually of little talent who tries hard to succeed, especially through imitation, usually to gain fame or popularity.

2. The Urban Dictionary states
Top definition
try-hard
A person who puts a large amount of effort into achieving a certain image, or counter-image, to the point where it is obviously contrived. Rather than achieving an image through genuine personality, the try-hard consciously attempts to fit a certain style through deliberate imitation, forced style, or scripted behavior. That is to say, he/she is trying hard to create an image.
Examples: An affluent, suburban dweller who makes great efforts to cover himself in tattoos and piercings; try-hard.

A person who wears certain items of clothing for the express intention of appearing "non-conformist", and flaunts it; try-hard.

Someone who purchases a motorcycle only to appear as a "bad-boy"; try-hard.

A person who shuns certain genres or styles of music or art simply because it does not fit his self-image, or the image he wants to portray; try-hard.

I submit, it is a derogatory term, and I stand by my previous definition.

I sure as heck never heard it used positively

F7sus4

negative

Tryhards try really hard (but usually mostly still fail).

Lieblingsjunge

negative

Only times I've seen it used is for people who chases you down outnumbered in PvP.
Like when you're having a 1v2 or a 1v3, and then suddenly you spot more people so you have to kite. Then if people chase you all the way from Arrius Farm > Kingscrest > Chalman. Those are usually considered tryhards. Because they'll tryhard you to the end of Cyrodiil.

Now I don't PUG dungeons or anything so I got no clue how it's in PvE.