Need Help Picking Armor Set

Marginis

So I've been playing since the PC beta, now on console, I lead a big guild and I'm a master crafter... but I've avoided the metagame at all costs until now. I'm finally making an endgame build for my khajiit nightblade.

Without going into too much detail, I'm trying to put together a decent magicka tank with some utility for exploration and some group heals so I can be a backup healer if need be. I'll be running restoration staff on 1 and sword and shield on 2. My setup so far gives me 25k-30k health, really good stamina regeneration, and magicka as high as it'll go after that. I've realized I won't be able to min/max, but I'm getting the best of many worlds because of some nice utility.

My question is this: Which crafted armor sets should I go with? I was thinking about Night's Silence on 1H&S, and Daedric Trickery on resto staff. But despite the great buffs (all useful), is it still viable compared to a more consistent set? I was also looking at Pelinal's Aptitude, as I won't be able to min/max anyway, but I don't particularly need more damage on 1H&S, and I'm not sure if I'd get more out of Law of Julianos. The last option I have is Twilight's Embrace, but again, I don't know if the self healing is worth losing all the added raw healing power from Julianos.

And yes, I'm only looking at crafted sets, and I'm looking at everything including up to the five piece bonus on the sets.

So, any advice?

Marginis

Decided - going with Daedric Trickery. Yolo right? It also seems to be quite a good tanking set for a sap tank, first impressions.

Enslaved

As a tank, did you consider Tava's favor? Pretty good set, giving you health, stamina and magicka recovery and high ulti generation whenever you dodge an attack? Should be piece of a cake to do that on a mNB.

davey1107

Interesting concept. I have a magblade I run 1h and destro. I can't say that your concept instantly hits me with an ideal build...it's unique. However, I think I can see some general tips that might help make it successful.

- I think you'll want to focus on either magic sets, or tank sets...and avoid stam sets. I think you can get the stamina you need elsewhere, and you don't want to pass up these more valuable buffs with a stam set. And example of what I mean - Night Silence gives max stam, stam recover and weapon crit. Ok, some of that is nice, but some is a waste. You'd be better off with magic buffs then adding stam via enchants.

- regardless, night silence is wrong for the build. The 5th trait is a waste for you. I love NS...my toons all carry a set. But magblades can perma cloak. If you need sneak speed, just stand up and spam cloak. And if you really, really need the sneak speed, you need shadow dancer, which offers the same as night Silence in magic, plus you get a stam recovery boost. I know you said crafted, but honestly shadow dancer is so cheap you can sell the mats you'd use to craft a set and have enough for it.

- I don't think pelinal is right, either. I doubt you're using that many stam attacks. At least, you shouldn't be. There's the taunt, but you have a magic based taunt in Inner Fire. Regardless, I think of it like this...the 5th trait is one of the most powerful in the game. You want it to apply to things that cause the majority of your dps, not use it to help thenthings younuse 1/10th of the time. Pelinals would bring up those stam attacks, but at the cost of what you could get added to magic.

- Twice Born Star is my first inclination for your craft set. Not only do the 2-4 pieces add max resources, all which you need, the ability to activate a second Mundus gives you flexibility to play with the build. You can experiment with power, recovery, resistance and see what it needs...it might incorm what your other set should be.

- Kagrenac could be interesting. It is very popular amongst magic Templars who want to be tanky. It could translate to a magblade.

- if all else fails, I'd ask if you need more power or if you need better resource management. If it's the first, julianos. If it's resources, Seducer. Use these to get your core functions buffed, then manage any stamina needs with enchantments.

Marginis

Enslaved wrote: »

...did you consider Tava's favor?

I did, briefly, but I have more than enough ult gain with my abilities (although I have yet to finalize how I want to set those up) and one of the jewelry sets I'm using. Also I need more in terms of buffing my tankiness or heals rather than just some more ult gain I think.

davey1107 wrote: »

Interesting concept. I have a magblade I run 1h and destro. I can't say that your concept instantly hits me with an ideal build...it's unique. However, I think I can see some general tips that might help make it successful.

- I think you'll want to focus on either magic sets, or tank sets...and avoid stam sets. I think you can get the stamina you need elsewhere, and you don't want to pass up these more valuable buffs with a stam set. And example of what I mean - Night Silence gives max stam, stam recover and weapon crit. Ok, some of that is nice, but some is a waste. You'd be better off with magic buffs then adding stam via enchants.

- regardless, night silence is wrong for the build. The 5th trait is a waste for you. I love NS...my toons all carry a set. But magblades can perma cloak. If you need sneak speed, just stand up and spam cloak. And if you really, really need the sneak speed, you need shadow dancer, which offers the same as night Silence in magic, plus you get a stam recovery boost. I know you said crafted, but honestly shadow dancer is so cheap you can sell the mats you'd use to craft a set and have enough for it.

- I don't think pelinal is right, either. I doubt you're using that many stam attacks. At least, you shouldn't be. There's the taunt, but you have a magic based taunt in Inner Fire. Regardless, I think of it like this...the 5th trait is one of the most powerful in the game. You want it to apply to things that cause the majority of your dps, not use it to help thenthings younuse 1/10th of the time. Pelinals would bring up those stam attacks, but at the cost of what you could get added to magic.

- Twice Born Star is my first inclination for your craft set. Not only do the 2-4 pieces add max resources, all which you need, the ability to activate a second Mundus gives you flexibility to play with the build. You can experiment with power, recovery, resistance and see what it needs...it might incorm what your other set should be.

- Kagrenac could be interesting. It is very popular amongst magic Templars who want to be tanky. It could translate to a magblade.

- if all else fails, I'd ask if you need more power or if you need better resource management. If it's the first, julianos. If it's resources, Seducer. Use these to get your core functions buffed, then manage any stamina needs with enchantments.

I really wanted Night's Silence only because of the sneaking movement boost, just for exploration (thieving, trespassing, speedrunning through dungeons) but you do make a good point with being able to cloak instead. I think I may have just used it for so long and liked it I put it on just because. I still like it but obviously it's buffing stamina and weapon crit which I don't need.

I was thinking with Pelinal's to use it to buff up my spell damage if I put points into weapon damage, like with using Night's Silence, but in the short time since I've posted I've ruled that out, primarily because like you said, I shouldn't be worrying about weapon damage at all.

Twice Born would be really nice... but as I'm looking to have versatility instead of min/maxing I was looking at swapping between the two different 5 piece bonuses. That said, if I'm not bothering with the unique 5 piece bonus of Night's Silence, and I'm just looking at making one good tanking setup without switching between two different 5 piece bonuses... Twice Born is worth reexamining.

Kagrenac's doesn't really interest me, mainly because with good squads (and an absolutely terrible utility build I was using) we never really had to worry about revives, but secondarily because I do a good amount of soloing too, so I'm making a bit more selfish build.

I've also been perusing several forums, some old and some not, and I'm hearing good things about Twilight's Embrace for sap tanks, and of course Daedric Trickery still sounds like a good amount of fun, beside the fact that all the buffs are actually quite good for healing tanks.

So the question now is this: What combination of Twice-born Star, Twilight's Embrace, Law of Julianos, and Daedric Trickery get me the most tankiness?

Nestor

Marginis wrote: »

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So the question now is this: What combination of Twice-born Star, Twilight's Embrace, Law of Julianos, and Daedric Trickery get me the most tankiness?

Your asking about being a Tank, but you pick no Tank sets to work with. So, I think you first need to decide if your going to be a Tank, or a Caster that is not Squishy. Because nothing about the sets you list above scream, or ever whisper, Tank. Disclosure, not sure about the Trickery set, have not researched it.

Tanking is one of those roles, where it really is about the gear. I use a combo of Hist Bark and Plague Doctor with Blood Spawn on my Tank. Sprinkle in some Tri Glyphs and I am at 46K Health, and about 20K for Magic and Stamina. I need to shift that balance to more magic with how I use my Tank. But I would not call myself a Tank with anything less than what I have now.

https://woeler.eu/index.php?p=article&id=32

If you want to be a Not Squishy Healer/Caster there are sets for that, and your going to need one of them to be dropped. So you can get the Jewlery and have 2 5 Piece sets. At least they are World Sets so they are easy to get. Storm Knight is one of them, Ice Furnace, Rattle Cage, Soulshine, Thunder Bug, Wyrd Tree, Elf Bane are easy to buy and cheap in the Guild Kiosks, plus are easy to farm.

Torugs Pact, at least 4 pieces is a good crafted Casting set. Then you can mix it in with the armor and 3 piece's of Jewlery from any of the above sets I listed.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Heavy+Armor+Sets

Marginis

Nestor wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

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So the question now is this: What combination of Twice-born Star, Twilight's Embrace, Law of Julianos, and Daedric Trickery get me the most tankiness?

Your asking about being a Tank, but you pick no Tank sets to work with. So, I think you first need to decide if your going to be a Tank, or a Caster that is not Squishy. Because nothing about the sets you list above scream, or ever whisper, Tank. Disclosure, not sure about the Trickery set, have not researched it.

Tanking is one of those roles, where it really is about the gear. I use a combo of Hist Bark and Plague Doctor with Blood Spawn on my Tank. Sprinkle in some Tri Glyphs and I am at 46K Health, and about 20K for Magic and Stamina. I need to shift that balance to more magic with how I use my Tank. But I would not call myself a Tank with anything less than what I have now.

https://woeler.eu/index.php?p=article&id=32

If you want to be a Not Squishy Healer/Caster there are sets for that, and your going to need one of them to be dropped. So you can get the Jewlery and have 2 5 Piece sets. At least they are World Sets so they are easy to get. Storm Knight is one of them, Ice Furnace, Rattle Cage, Soulshine, Thunder Bug, Wyrd Tree, Elf Bane are easy to buy and cheap in the Guild Kiosks, plus are easy to farm.

Torugs Pact, at least 4 pieces is a good crafted Casting set. Then you can mix it in with the armor and 3 piece's of Jewlery from any of the above sets I listed.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Heavy+Armor+Sets

Law of Julianos isn't really a tank set, but it would help with heals, and as I mentioned, I'm planning on being an off-healer, not to mention how great self heals and sap heals can be with a magicka tank. If that's not worth it compared to other more defensive sets though, that's what I'm wondering. As far as the other three I mentioned, how are those not tanking sets?

Anyway, not to completely try to dismiss your advice, but I'm only looking at crafted sets because I'm very particular about the appearance of my gear, and I should be considering I lead an RP guild where that's important. If I wanted to make a broken OP min/max character, I'd of course ignore anything that hurts that. I'm just looking to make my gear feasible within my constraints. Besides, plague doctor just seems to me like a less powerful Twilight's Embrace that happens to come on some jewelry. Hist Bark I looked at but dismissed because of the evasion I can already get from the NB ability Blur and its morphs.

From what I've heard, anything over 30k health isn't really necessary. Is that not correct?

Torug's Pact has a fine 4 piece bonus, the the 5 piece is useless for me. Still, I might consider that after my 5 piece.