It's time to bring the "Weighted" trait back

Dread_Guy

Since the Morrowind update, there has been an emphasis on heavy attacking to gain your resources back. Heavy attacks are slow and clunky in combat and not really a reliable way to gain your resources. Because of such a long wind up, the opposing player can block or dodge these heavy attacks and the attacker doesn't gain any benefit for their 2 second wind up. I suggest we replace the basically useless "charged" trait for the Weighted trait which increased the speed of heavy attacks. Thoughts?

FlyLionel

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

Since the Morrowind update, there has been an emphasis on heavy attacking to gain your resources back. Heavy attacks are slow and clunky in combat and not really a reliable way to gain your resources. Because of such a long wind up, the opposing player can block or dodge these heavy attacks and the attacker doesn't gain any benefit for their 2 second wind up. I suggest we replace the basically useless "Prosperous" trait for the Weighted trait which increased the speed of heavy attacks. Thoughts?

Xander3Zero

FlyLionel wrote: »

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

Since the Morrowind update, there has been an emphasis on heavy attacking to gain your resources back. Heavy attacks are slow and clunky in combat and not really a reliable way to gain your resources. Because of such a long wind up, the opposing player can block or dodge these heavy attacks and the attacker doesn't gain any benefit for their 2 second wind up. I suggest we replace the basically useless "Prosperous" trait for the Weighted trait which increased the speed of heavy attacks. Thoughts?

No offense but your comment is useless, considering that prosperous is NOT a weapon trait.

Imvoracious

Charged is not useless and actually beneficial and BiS for some builds

Dread_Guy

@Imvoracious I've never heard of a build that prefers more charges on an enchantment over it proccing more often and being more powerful (infused). I can make an argument for infused over sharpened or defending depending on the build, but I haven't seen a reason to use charged

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

@Imvoracious I've never heard of a build that prefers more charges on an enchantment over it proccing more often and being more powerful (infused). I can make an argument for infused over sharpened or defending depending on the build, but I haven't seen a reason to use charged

Charged Lightning staffs are meta for trials healers and arguably BIS for some solo builds.

Shanjijri

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

I've never heard of a build that prefers more charges

So it has to be removed.

Dread_Guy

@Oreyn_Bearclaw maelstrom specific staffs or any lightning? Thank you for your information btw, I never knew people actually used charged

NordJitsu

Jesus, L2P.

So tired of the whining about the resource changes.

The intended combat of this game involves light and heavy attacks. The changes to ultimate generation encouraged using light attacks. The changes to resource management encourage heavy attacks.

No, you can no longer hold Block 100% of the time while spamming your skills in the same rotation. That's a good thing.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

@Masel92 could prob explain it better than me, but essenitally, a charged staff gives you a really high uptime on concussion, and your blockade will set concused enemies off balance. With 75 points into thaumaturge (or in the ritual), you get 10% damage to off balance enemies.

In a proper group, your healer does this. When alone, you can do it yourself. I think Sharp still comes out slightly ahead for Solo DPS, but I think Charged is in second place. But please correct me if I screwed that up. Haha

Ron_Burgundy_79

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

@Imvoracious I've never heard of a build that prefers more charges on an enchantment over it proccing more often and being more powerful (infused). I can make an argument for infused over sharpened or defending depending on the build, but I haven't seen a reason to use charged

Charged Lightning staffs are meta for trials healers and arguably BIS for some solo builds.

Care to share that build video? Maybe @Alcast can help because I've certainly never heard of a build where charged weapons are bis.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-templar-healer-build-pve/

https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-warden-healer-build-pve/

Both of his healer builds list Charged Lighting staffs as meta for healers.

Also, hate to tag him twice, but check out @Masel92 builds. He has some really interesting and unique solo builds that use Charged weapons.

I am not saying it's meta for DPS, but charged certainly has its uses.

Imvoracious

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

@Imvoracious I've never heard of a build that prefers more charges on an enchantment over it proccing more often and being more powerful (infused). I can make an argument for infused over sharpened or defending depending on the build, but I haven't seen a reason to use charged

Charged Lightning staffs are meta for trials healers and arguably BIS for some solo builds.

Care to share that build video? Maybe @Alcast can help because I've certainly never heard of a build where charged weapons are bis.

Masels elemental fury off balance build. Got buffed this patch. You use spinners/illambris and IA, charged staff on front bar, nirn maelstrom back bar. I have also run undaunted infiltrator (2 jewelry, 2 weapons on back bar, 1 armor piece) 2 illambris and 5 spinner with a charged staff. I only pull 23k dps but I suck and have only 400 cp.

Off balance procs all the time. Makes flame lash free to cast and if you use UI and spinner it makes your heavy attacks hit really hard.

soll

Imvoracious wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

@Imvoracious I've never heard of a build that prefers more charges on an enchantment over it proccing more often and being more powerful (infused). I can make an argument for infused over sharpened or defending depending on the build, but I haven't seen a reason to use charged

Charged Lightning staffs are meta for trials healers and arguably BIS for some solo builds.

Care to share that build video? Maybe @Alcast can help because I've certainly never heard of a build where charged weapons are bis.

Masels elemental fury off balance build. Got buffed this patch. You use spinners/illambris and IA, charged staff on front bar, nirn maelstrom back bar. I have also run undaunted infiltrator (2 jewelry, 2 weapons on back bar, 1 armor piece) 2 illambris and 5 spinner with a charged staff. I only pull 23k dps but I suck and have only 400 cp.

Off balance procs all the time. Makes flame lash free to cast and if you use UI and spinner it makes your heavy attacks hit really hard.

this.
awesome build btw, using it by myself actually. was pulling up to 30k solo DPS.
build:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/309550/elemental-fury-pve-heavy-attack-dk-build-morrowind-ready-vmol-approved

and healers are also running this trait on lightning staff, because without it and without shock enchant uptime of minor maim is just too low.

Ron_Burgundy_79

PvP vs PVE is likely where the differing opinions come from on this thread. Widowmaker is one of the only sets I could see this being BIS for in PvP.

Masel

I have two current examples of what charged can do for you, and more on my channel on YouTube:

Magicka Warden:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=beh49I3vaXI

Magicka DK (still my favourite so far):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pVl9zmvziF4

@Oreyn_Bearclaw explained it very good before. with a charged staff and a shock enchant you'll get a 95-100% off-balance and minor vulnerability uptime. This is damage that is multiplicative:

Damage formula: (a*maximum stat+b*weapon/spell damage+c)*(1+Targetdamagetaken)*(1+Damagedone)*(1-TargetMitigation)

Minor vulnerability would add 0.08 to the Targetdamagetaken, exploiter adds 0.1 in the Damagedone.

On a sorcerer the uptime is already very good, so you don't necessarily need it there, but on any other class, it is a very successful alternative to sharpened, especially if you don't want to rely on rng to give you sharpened vMA staffs. I got them and still prefer charged in vMA for the free stun without cooldown.

You can check it out at 39:20 in the Warden vMA video for example, I can permastun the ogrim with medium weaves so it can't hurt me.
Drop lightning blockade, medium weave force pulse and stuff dies with a 18% damage increase and gets permanently stunned.

You also get a 70% heavy attack damage bonus to off-balance enemies, so this makes medium weaves hit for up to 15-16k alone.

Works on all classes with force pulse. I have done flawless on magplar, magblade, mag DK and Magicka Warden with this synergy. With the new cps you can put points into spell erosion to get the pen, or/and wear spinner. I actually wear this on dds in trials because you will most likely not have a 100% uptime on healers, especially when learning HoF.

On warden for example my DPS is already subpar, so I went for a supporty build for HoF with guard and a charged front bar staff.

GeorgeBlack

I see tanky sustain builds getting weighted weapons and just PROC

Avran_Sylt

The Charged weapon trait doesn't give you more enchantment charges, it increases the proc chance of status debuffs on enemies (I.E. Chilled, Burning, Poisoned, Diseased, Concussed).

I don't think the weighted weapon trait will make it back any time soon, if ever, if the Bow Heavy attack is any indicator. While they reduced charge time, they didn't reduce animation time.

NyassaV

Imvoracious wrote: »

Charged is not useless and actually beneficial and BiS for some builds

What build?! I think you mean infused

Illurian

Hollery wrote: »

Imvoracious wrote: »

Charged is not useless and actually beneficial and BiS for some builds

What build?! I think you mean infused

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