goshdarn nirnroots!

danno8

rootimus wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

No, Hyacinth and Nirnroot do not share nodes.

They certainly do in Hew's Bane, though a some nodes are either coded to only give one or the other, or the random number gods are on an extended lunch break. For example, the lake at the very top of the map has 4 spots, 3 of which are random and one which always seems to spawn nirnroot. Further down the river, there are two nodes with a pair of crocs in between - those will spawn both. Down by the sea there are a couple of nodes that I've never seen give water hyacinth.

It is of course possible that both situations are true. Some nodes alternate, while some are always the same.

All I know for sure is the one small area I farm, they are always the same.

Caligamy_ESO

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

They can be replaced by Water Hyacinth, so if you are looking for Nirnroot, you need to pick the Hyacinth to get them to spawn.

No, that is incorrect. A node that spawns Hyacinth will always spawn Hyacinth, and vice-versa. Nirnroot and Hyacinth are the only alchemical reagent nodes that are always stable--i.e., they will always spawn as the same type every time.

FALSE - WH and nirnroot share nodes. sometimes one, sometimes the other.

Straight lies.

I have 5 master anglers. Nirn always grows by water and is always a nirn.

Don't believe this garbage above.

Dude you're wrong - Water Hyacinthe also only grows near water - and it shares spawns with Nirnroots - 10 minutes in the Hollow City would be enough for you to see that.

I have a path I use to farm Nirnroot in one of the starter zones. When I first started that path I collected both Nirnroot and Hyacinth believing that they shared spawn points. I was further convinced of this by the Harvestmap method of using the same "Water Plant" symbol for both herbs.

After running the path for a couple hours I began to notice that the same spots always seemed to have Nirnroot and the other spots always had Hyacinth. So I started to keep track and found that my feelings were in fact correct.

I now only pick up the Nirnroot nodes. If they shared the same nodes, then the Nirnroot would eventually get taken over by Hyacinth as I went around and around the circuit I run. That does not happen. It is the exact same amount of Nirnroot for each loop I do, unless someone else has picked up the node before I get there again.

Nirnroot/water hyacinth don't grow in starter zones.

phileunderx2

I've been finding plenty even in vvardenfell.

LadyLethalla

Craglorn is also a good place to find them.

But since I ran out of nirnroot while doing writs on 4 crafters, I've abandoned any Alchemy writ that requires nirn - which seems to be about 2/3 of them.

disintegr8

If you want a good supply of nirnroot, have a go at the master angler achievement - you will visit so many waterways and collect so much nirnroot.

You may have wished you just bought the stuff though, master angler is a pretty grindy achievement - I am about 3/4 of the way through it. Reckon I spent about 4 hours fishing in Greenshade on Saturday before I caught everything.

STEVIL

Ok let me put it this way...

In craglorn, the main writ city belkarath or whatever, right behind the enchanting store, their is a creek.

up slightly off the water, beside the thieve's den entrance is a nirroot node that i have never ever seen produce water hyacinth.

it is not on the water but near it. A good couple meters between it and water.

always nirnroot.

meanwhile, right behind the lake lodge house in vvardenfell and along many other waterways, there are nodes that spawn both

right behind the lake lodge next to the troll their is ONE node. It is near a runestone. it spawns either and is right on the water.
across the lake from that their is another near a runestone and also right on the water - it spawns either.

i say either because while it is one node it spawns either one but never both... if it were two different nodes too close for us idiots to tell apart it sometimes would spawn both.

Whether it is by zone or not, whether it is by proximity to the water or not (right in vs nearby) i wont do the research to find out but the simple truth is those telling you that nirnroot and water hyacinth are strictly separate nodes and calling those who disagree liars are incorrect.

The examples i give plus the ones others mentioned in coldharbor are easy to find.

it is ridiculously easy to find that nirnroot and water hyacinth share nodes because all you have to do is find one case... and so far i just listed a couple and others listed more.

So, if you care which is true, a quick journey a couple times to the one or two named spots can prove to you that the ahared nodes is correct.

See, i hand you a quick and easy way to test this idea for yourself.

Now as for the other side

As code65536 said:
"No, that is incorrect. A node that spawns Hyacinth will always spawn Hyacinth, and vice-versa. Nirnroot and Hyacinth are the only alchemical reagent nodes that are always stable--i.e., they will always spawn as the same type every time."

As N0TPLAYER2 says
"Straight lies.
I have 5 master anglers. Nirn always grows by water and is always a nirn.
Don't believe this garbage above."

I leave them to provide you with a way to test that this is true - that water hyacinth nodes will always spawn hyacinth and that nirnroot nodes will always spawn nirnroot - no mix-n-0match. Seems a much more daunting task, given the number of zones.

But hey, this is the internet, so why trust the ones who offer you a way to verify things for yourself over those who insist it is always as they say... when you can just go test, easily for one side of course, but not so easily for the other broader more bold sweeping in scope and certainty but lacking in backup side.

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Zotami

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

They can be replaced by Water Hyacinth, so if you are looking for Nirnroot, you need to pick the Hyacinth to get them to spawn.

No, that is incorrect. A node that spawns Hyacinth will always spawn Hyacinth, and vice-versa. Nirnroot and Hyacinth are the only alchemical reagent nodes that are always stable--i.e., they will always spawn as the same type every time.

FALSE - WH and nirnroot share nodes. sometimes one, sometimes the other.

Straight lies.

I have 5 master anglers. Nirn always grows by water and is always a nirn.

Don't believe this garbage above.

Dude you're wrong - Water Hyacinthe also only grows near water - and it shares spawns with Nirnroots - 10 minutes in the Hollow City would be enough for you to see that.

I have a path I use to farm Nirnroot in one of the starter zones. When I first started that path I collected both Nirnroot and Hyacinth believing that they shared spawn points. I was further convinced of this by the Harvestmap method of using the same "Water Plant" symbol for both herbs.

After running the path for a couple hours I began to notice that the same spots always seemed to have Nirnroot and the other spots always had Hyacinth. So I started to keep track and found that my feelings were in fact correct.

I now only pick up the Nirnroot nodes. If they shared the same nodes, then the Nirnroot would eventually get taken over by Hyacinth as I went around and around the circuit I run. That does not happen. It is the exact same amount of Nirnroot for each loop I do, unless someone else has picked up the node before I get there again.

Nirnroot/water hyacinth don't grow in starter zones.

Nirnroot don't grow in starter zones.

danno8

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

They can be replaced by Water Hyacinth, so if you are looking for Nirnroot, you need to pick the Hyacinth to get them to spawn.

No, that is incorrect. A node that spawns Hyacinth will always spawn Hyacinth, and vice-versa. Nirnroot and Hyacinth are the only alchemical reagent nodes that are always stable--i.e., they will always spawn as the same type every time.

FALSE - WH and nirnroot share nodes. sometimes one, sometimes the other.

Straight lies.

I have 5 master anglers. Nirn always grows by water and is always a nirn.

Don't believe this garbage above.

Dude you're wrong - Water Hyacinthe also only grows near water - and it shares spawns with Nirnroots - 10 minutes in the Hollow City would be enough for you to see that.

I have a path I use to farm Nirnroot in one of the starter zones. When I first started that path I collected both Nirnroot and Hyacinth believing that they shared spawn points. I was further convinced of this by the Harvestmap method of using the same "Water Plant" symbol for both herbs.

After running the path for a couple hours I began to notice that the same spots always seemed to have Nirnroot and the other spots always had Hyacinth. So I started to keep track and found that my feelings were in fact correct.

I now only pick up the Nirnroot nodes. If they shared the same nodes, then the Nirnroot would eventually get taken over by Hyacinth as I went around and around the circuit I run. That does not happen. It is the exact same amount of Nirnroot for each loop I do, unless someone else has picked up the node before I get there again.

Nirnroot/water hyacinth don't grow in starter zones.

By starter zones, I meant one of the original (non-DLC) zones.

edit: Although since 1T I guess there aren't really any starter zones anymore.

phileunderx2

Let's go with islands. I found about dozen Nirnroot in auridon last night.

josiahva

Stonefalls, under the bridge that leads to the Rift. Always a lot there(actually always a lot of several different alchemy reagents there.). That being said, they really arent hard to find, just choose zones without big mountains and rocks everywhere and just run around, doesn't take long to find anything you are looking for.

Nestor

Everyone is overlooking the obvious.

We have:

1. Water Hyacinth nodes that always spawn WH
2. We have Nirnroot Nodes that always spawn Nirnroot
3. We have a few nodes that spawn both. These are rarer than the above two.

I think the Devs have been removing the dual nodes as they come across them while tweaking the game.

IronCrystal

As to the nirnroots sometimes spawning water hyacinths and vice versa, some patches I've noticed they changed the nodes to the other, and then back again the next patch.

I used to do a lot of farming in Hollow City and would notice from patch to patch the nodes were different sometimes.

Amadis001

Nirnroot is the only reagent I'm always running out of, even though I harvest every one I see. I finally got sick and tired of it last week and put down 65K for a full stack. Should keep me in alchemy writs for a few months... I hope.

Unlikely_Ghostbuster

I'm glad someone else is having the same issue. It means I'm not the exception.

Every -- last -- alchemy writ requires 3 nirnroot. The last two alchemy master writs I've had required 5, each.

I don't actually USE nirnroot to make any poisons or potions for any other reason -- I can't! I'm always running out.

I have at least 500 of several other reagents in my inventory. Why not ask me for 3 wormwood, instead?

While there is no alchemy hireling and while there is no such thing as "gardening" in our houses, the alchemy crafting writs need to be overhauled to do something about this ridiculous nirnroot sinkhole.

makerofthings

I has gotten so bad for me when I walk my dog in RL I look at the stream next to my house for Nirnroot. I need to play less ESO before the insanity takes hold.

Fallen_Ray

CMFan1966 wrote: »

Try the Fort Amol area of Eastmarch. I found a bunch of nirnroot there the other day. Actually, I have found that all of Eastmarch is a great place to farm mats.

SSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pod88kk

Go to Ebonhart there's loads by the water there

josiahva

I have never had trouble finding 3 nirnroot a day just in my usual wandering, much less actually farming and looking for them. There are a lot of zones and areas with water...ALL of them have nirnroot easily available.

Dracofyre

that daily writ need to adjusted.
the feeling about devs are being jerks to do that.

MarbleQuiche

There are some nirnroot and hyacinth nodes that are right on top of one another and can appear like one spawn point that switches between the two. If you suspect you're alternating between them on one node, stand and watch it for thirty minutes. At some point they'll both be spawned and clipping through one another. You might have to wait considerably longer for nirnroot, but that doesn't mean that picking hyacinths will magically make them appear.

mvffins

They seriously have to do something about nirnroot in the alchemy writs, either:

A) Reduce the number of times that nirnroot is required
or
Have alchemy surveys yield nirnroot

I am seeing less nirnroot around but I believe that is because everyone is running around looting nirnroot seeing that it is almost always needed for writs, but there are less ways of acquiring it since it doesn't spawn for surveys and IC bags tend to give more Columbine instead.

Abeille

blacksghost wrote: »

Can't say I have noticed fewer nirnroot, I only pick them though to shut up that awful noise they make.

Classic TES experience.




...Well, modern TES experience to be fair. Oblivion onwards.

CMFan1966

Fallen_Ray wrote: »

CMFan1966 wrote: »

Try the Fort Amol area of Eastmarch. I found a bunch of nirnroot there the other day. Actually, I have found that all of Eastmarch is a great place to farm mats.

SSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oops...sorry. What I meant to say is it's a shame you can never find any nirnroot around .... um .... any of Eastmarch. Yeah, that's what I meant to say!

Dracofyre

yeah, they were less to find since others are busy gathering in easrmarch for auctions for profit bots, they just flooded auction pages and pages of nirnroots and not cheap.

disintegr8

CMFan1966 wrote: »

Fallen_Ray wrote: »

CMFan1966 wrote: »

Try the Fort Amol area of Eastmarch. I found a bunch of nirnroot there the other day. Actually, I have found that all of Eastmarch is a great place to farm mats.

SSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oops...sorry. What I meant to say is it's a shame you can never find any nirnroot around .... um .... any of Eastmarch. Yeah, that's what I meant to say!

These are not the nirnroot you are looking for.....

purple-magicb16_ESO

code65536 wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

They can be replaced by Water Hyacinth, so if you are looking for Nirnroot, you need to pick the Hyacinth to get them to spawn.

No, that is incorrect. A node that spawns Hyacinth will always spawn Hyacinth, and vice-versa. Nirnroot and Hyacinth are the only alchemical reagent nodes that are always stable--i.e., they will always spawn as the same type every time.

I know of at least one node where this is the case. If you have Orsinium, go to Morkul Stronghoild as you are coming across the little bridge over the stream look to the right. There is usually a water hyacinth, but occasionally it is a nirnroot.

cyclonus11

code65536 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

They can be replaced by Water Hyacinth, so if you are looking for Nirnroot, you need to pick the Hyacinth to get them to spawn.

No, that is incorrect. A node that spawns Hyacinth will always spawn Hyacinth, and vice-versa. Nirnroot and Hyacinth are the only alchemical reagent nodes that are always stable--i.e., they will always spawn as the same type every time.

FALSE - WH and nirnroot share nodes. sometimes one, sometimes the other.

No, Hyacinth and Nirnroot do not share nodes. They are often in proximity of each other, so it's perhaps easy to mistakenly think that two nearby nodes are one. But they do not. Show me one example of them sharing nodes and I'll backtrack on that statement. But I've farmed enough WH and Nirnroot to say with 99% certainty that they do not.

There's a node next to the bridge right outside of Morkhul Stronghold (NE side) in Wrothgar. It's on the Stronghold side of the creek, on the shore, on the west side of the bridge. Sometimes it's Water Hyacinth, sometimes it's Nirnroot. I have never seen both there at the same time. Feel free to check it yourself.

I run that delve daily often, and I always make sure to pick up that node.

cyclonus11

I would also like to add that I'm tired of the alchemy dailies taking all my Nirnroots! I have a whole bag full of reagents, but that's the only one anyone wants (that, or Lorkhan's Tears)?

fgoron2000

My accidental solution for the nirnroot issue is that half of my characters are maxed in alchemy and do the top level writs, costing nirnroot most of the time, and the other half do the bottom level alchemy writs and often the bottom level writs will actually receive nirnroots in the goodies bag. I haven't done any specific analysis of this, but since I've been doing this, my supply of nirnroot has stayed roughly steady, and I don't often use them for other things.

I will also pick up nirnroot any time I see them out in the wild, but I don't do any specific farming for them, thought

CMFan1966

cyclonus11 wrote: »

I would also like to add that I'm tired of the alchemy dailies taking all my Nirnroots! I have a whole bag full of reagents, but that's the only one anyone wants (that, or Lorkhan's Tears)?

So much THIS!!! I had almost 50 nirnroot the other day. I've been doing my writs like normal. I have not purposely used any nirnroot whatsoever and now I'm down to 17. I have almost 2000 alkahest though.