Warden feels like it needs something of a Buff...

Iselin

I have a magicka and stamina warden both at CP630 that are pretty well geared from stuff I had already used on some of my other 8 CP630 characters.

The stamina version that benefits from the meta and actually uses very few Warden class skills does OK mostly because it benefits from the DW passive execute and the Poison Injection active one.

Magicka Wardens are sadly lacking in active or passive execute abilities and it's what is most wrong with them. They can do just fine - are excellent in fact - AOEing down trash packs but when you get to the boss burn phase they are pathetic.

I mostly use my magicka warden as a healer in vet dungeons out of consideration for my fellow PUGers. Having 2 magicka Wardens in the DPS role in one of those 4-man runs is downright painful to watch.

NyassaV

The netch should have it's resources restored be moved up to about 100 per second instead of 79 (is) and seriously it's bright as the midday sun tone it down. Cliff-racer could use maybe a 2% damage buff. The bear needs to move too targets quicker and have a taunt of sorts, or maybe just a high agro ability. Bird of prey's time needs to be extended slightly, maybe about 15 seconds up from 10.

Other notes that would help my Warden;
Bosmer have 2% increased damage with bow abilities, and remove 3% from the regen perk
Increase Duration of the hawk-eye passive to 6 or 7 seconds up from 5
Add to the Ranger passive: Having a bow actively equip reduces AoE damage taken by 5/10%
Increase long shots passive to 14% up from 12%
Increase Accuracy passive from 1095 crit ratting to 1495 (maybe slightly more or slightly less)

Oh and please remove all DPS checks so that this game can actually be "play how you want"

Dymence

Docmandu wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

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Dymence wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Ender1310 wrote: »

Dude sorcs are the best. They will always be. Warden will get some love and yes it's the lowest dps wise. You cannot go from a I can solo everything easy sorc to a warden. Try going from sorc to nb and you will feel the pain.

Here we go, i'll bite.

Why are sorc's the best... my nb seems to melt everything in pvp, including sorc.

NB is immobile and has less survivability and less burst. It's really just a worse sorc at that point.

Nb is immobile... Lmao.
Nb has less burst... Lmao.

Ok.

Yep, NB is immobile. All you have is a shade that isn't worth a damn 90% of the time, and cloak is still buggy as hell & easily counterable.

The only decent burst you have is the bow proc aswell.

This forum really needs a LOL button

I'm talking magicka specifically. Good for you if you're passionate about your class, I am about mine aswell. But white knighting your class to make it seem better than it is isn't going to help you.

Seems you have no clue what the word immobile even means... try playing a mag DK or templar... have fun chucking speed pots to get any sort of mobility.

Mag DK works very well with a tanky playstyle though. Not so much for magblades.

Seraphayel

I really want the Warden to have some more Frost DPS skills or abilities. Why is there nothing like "when attacking a chilled target your skills have a chance of 15% to impale your enemy with an ice spear dealing x amount of damage / bursting your frozen enemy and dealing x amount of damage (like Disintegration from Sorcs)"?

Anhedonie

Lotus buff produces nice results with fully charged lightning heavy. But it only affect people around you in 12m radius. Corrupting Pollen is another strong skill, but it's delayed and even with Budding Seeds morph your allies have high chances to die before it goes off.

Chew_Magna

I think they're fine (pve standpoint). My first warden was a mag tank and that was crazy op lvling to 50 in dungeons. Bad group? Bad healer? No prob, just tank, heal the group, and solo bosses without breaking a sweat. I'm working on a stam healer now and that's also pretty op (lvl 38). I could easily throw on a shield and do the exact same thing, tank, group heal, and solo most bosses with ease.

Phatmattfu

I've having a lot of fun with my magicka warden, and fun is the only stat I care about.

Currently running around with gold Necropotence and Mothers sorrow.

Probably not ideal, but when so much of the damage abilities are built around burst, critting nearly everytime seems to melt bosses just fine.

I've been pretty impressed by Northern Storm. The damage may not look high, but proper application is a game changer in any boss fight.

aisriyth_ESO

I think the issue with Warden is it is half baked but dangerously close to be overcooked.

Cliff Racer NEEDS to be faster but able to be dodged.

Pet controls need to be a bit more elegant for both sorcs and wardens. In addition i am kind of opposed to the bear being an ULT but seeing as it is, i would like to see the wild guardian morph get some minor tweaks, maybe a taunt or a mini rage mode that costs more to activate.

If its meant to be a buff application/support class then i think there possible damage increases need to come through manipulation of buff and specific chaining of triggers. It is kind of their already but some minor tweaks would be great.


I know its overly hopeful but i really hope ZoS doesn't go crazy and overbuff them.

Ghost-Shot

zyk wrote: »

I think your thought process should have gone like...

"I'm not fully sure yet as my MagWarden is still just at lvl42 so I haven't equipped my 160 gear or a gold staff, therefore I'm not going to post about this class I'm inexperienced with and know little about."

@zyk I knew by level 3 that the class was unplayable, no further testing required.

CaptainBeerDude

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

I think your thought process should have gone like...

"I'm not fully sure yet as my MagWarden is still just at lvl42 so I haven't equipped my 160 gear or a gold staff, therefore I'm not going to post about this class I'm inexperienced with and know little about."

@zyk I knew by level 3 that the class was unplayable, no further testing required.

They are perfectly viable. As long as doing damage isn't really your thing.

DMuehlhausen

But But I thought the Warden was so OP and put behind a Paywall to get people to by Morrowind....RARGH!!!!

Docmandu

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

I think your thought process should have gone like...

"I'm not fully sure yet as my MagWarden is still just at lvl42 so I haven't equipped my 160 gear or a gold staff, therefore I'm not going to post about this class I'm inexperienced with and know little about."

@zyk I knew by level 3 that the class was unplayable, no further testing required.

They are perfectly viable. As long as doing damage isn't really your thing.

Mag warden does fine damage.. it's only issue is that a sorc shields better, bursts better, DPS's better, finishes better, moves better... in other words... play a warden for fun or challenge... if you want an easier time, roll a sorc.

Vercingetorix

Warden only excels in the following: Node Harvesting, Roleplaying, and Writ Crafting.

Sanctum74

I completely agree, magicka wardens suck! I've lost 2 fights in 2 weeks I've been playing it and i have killed thousands. That kind of ratio is just terrible xD

I always hate those people that say L2P, but obviously if people are still saying the warden dps sucks you really have no clue how to play one.

Vercingetorix

Sanctum74 wrote: »

I completely agree, magicka wardens suck! I've lost 2 fights in 2 weeks I've been playing it and i have killed thousands. That kind of ratio is just terrible xD

I always hate those people that say L2P, but obviously if people are still saying the warden dps sucks you really have no clue how to play one.

The biggest issues plaguing the Warden are:
- The Bear is worthless: It has no taunt, gets lost frequently, and doesn't attack fast enough for Ultimate to connect reliably.

- Warden ability animations are sometimes clunky, like the Cliff Racer and Netch summons. This makes rotations significantly more problematic than they need to be.

- Ice Damage is not a DPS element because of ZoS' staff-change fiasco, yet that's the element affinity the Warden gets. With Ice staves unable to be used, Wardens are stuck using elemental damage that they don't even get bonuses in, unlike DK and Sorc.

These 3 core issues are what are causing the mag Warden to struggle in terms of DPS. To make matters worse, some of class passives are just plain weak, such as the paltry "500 resist per winter slot" passive and the laughable "15% less snare resist" passives.

Lord_Eomer

Mag Warden need a buff, poor dot and aoe damage make is far weaker than sorcerer, mag dk & magplar

Mag NB is weakest class just mag warden dps are better than mag nb!

leepalmer95

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Mag Warden need a buff, poor dot and aoe damage make is far weaker than sorcerer, mag dk & magplar

Mag NB is weakest class just mag warden dps are better than mag nb!

Its has great aoe in pvp

SanTii.92

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

I think your thought process should have gone like...

"I'm not fully sure yet as my MagWarden is still just at lvl42 so I haven't equipped my 160 gear or a gold staff, therefore I'm not going to post about this class I'm inexperienced with and know little about."

@zyk I knew by level 3 that the class was unplayable, no further testing required.

funny

ArchMikem

Sanctum74 wrote: »

I completely agree, magicka wardens suck! I've lost 2 fights in 2 weeks I've been playing it and i have killed thousands. That kind of ratio is just terrible xD

I always hate those people that say L2P, but obviously if people are still saying the warden dps sucks you really have no clue how to play one.

You're spamming Deep Fissure and Cliff Racer right? Is that this right way to play one that you're meaning? Cause I'm meaning specifically the Winter's Embrace tree. A Frost Mage character which many people wanted to play when hearing of the Warden. Besides there really shouldn't be a right and wrong way, it's not right to be shoe horned into a certain build in order to succeed.

Sanctum74

ArchMikem wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

I completely agree, magicka wardens suck! I've lost 2 fights in 2 weeks I've been playing it and i have killed thousands. That kind of ratio is just terrible xD

I always hate those people that say L2P, but obviously if people are still saying the warden dps sucks you really have no clue how to play one.

You're spamming Deep Fissure and Cliff Racer right? Is that this right way to play one that you're meaning? Cause I'm meaning specifically the Winter's Embrace tree. A Frost Mage character which many people wanted to play when hearing of the Warden. Besides there really shouldn't be a right and wrong way, it's not right to be shoe horned into a certain build in order to succeed.

I also use swarm? Not sure if the name is right but its a great dot that does 50% more damage on the 2nd cast. With the exception of the bear ultimate the animal tree is great for dps and each slotted ability increases damage by 2%.

For aoe i use winters revenge and wall of elements. Keeping all the rotations up can be a pita, but it is capable of putting out a lot of damage and since you heal through the damage passively you can really keep the pressure on people.

I do agree the winters embrace skill line needs some serious love and i also wish they would revert the frost staff changes, but in the mean time i'm still enjoying my warden for what it can do.

I'm sure in the next year they will make changes, buffs, nerfs, and all sorts of things just to give us something to talk about on the forums.

Surak73

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Warden only excels in the following: Node Harvesting, Roleplaying, and Writ Crafting.

And best of all, using Nature's grasp and running around like The Amazing Spiderman (TM)... I really love that skill, it's by far the funniest skill ever seen...

DonWalking

I thought this thread was a joke...

Okay, there's absolutely NO REASON TO BUFF THE WARDEN! I was dueling against one of my guild mate's dps CP 200 and I was playing around on a warden I just started on LV 14, and no CP into the warden, and no lie. I almost killed him with no problem. We're talking about a build that when introduced, all other classes were nerfed! Honestly I like the way they have the warden as of right now.

We got the Tanks: Dragonknights
We got the Healers: Templars
We got the Dps: Sorc/Blade
And now we got a class Support: Wardens

The thing about wardens is that you'll be good at all roles and help the team out, but you'll never truly be the best at that role.

JackDaniell

Here's a very bursty warden build with great sustain and tank, I find it to be on par with magicka sorc for PvP!

https://youtu.be/N2wzm0Ko-6c
This is the build video, and has PvP Commentary at the end. I have more footage of this build on my channel.

For pve I would switch out force pulse for elemental blockade and resto heal on off bar for fletcher infection. Change mundus to thief for best damage Pve wise.

grim_tactics

Wardens deserve a buff when that dang pigeon becomes dodgeable

Toc de Malsvi

Dymence wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Ender1310 wrote: »

Dude sorcs are the best. They will always be. Warden will get some love and yes it's the lowest dps wise. You cannot go from a I can solo everything easy sorc to a warden. Try going from sorc to nb and you will feel the pain.

Here we go, i'll bite.

Why are sorc's the best... my nb seems to melt everything in pvp, including sorc.

NB is immobile and has less survivability and less burst. It's really just a worse sorc at that point.

Nb is immobile... Lmao.
Nb has less burst... Lmao.

Ok.

Yep, NB is immobile. All you have is a shade that isn't worth a damn 90% of the time, and cloak is still buggy as hell & easily counterable.

The only decent burst you have is the bow proc aswell.

Magicka NB has access to:

Major Expedition(from 3 different class skills: Double Take, Path of Darkness(and morphs), Cripple(and morphs))
Teleport with Shadow Image
Cloak for breaking LOS as well as speed boost from Concealed Weapon
Gap closer from Lotus Fan

They are precisely the opposite of immobile. They are the most mobile magicka class.

Sanctum74

grim_tactics wrote: »

Wardens deserve a buff when that dang pigeon becomes dodgeable

Pigeon, lol! You deserve the best comment of the day award!

Toc de Malsvi

I've seen a bunch of Magicka Wardens kicking butt in PVP. Sure there are plenty of inexperienced players getting rolled over. But there are several more experienced players doing quite well with them. Their healing options are very strong and they have solid sustain and pressure.

The ones I see play much like Magicka Templar, they are weakest when they are solo but if built right are very hard to kill. The dang healing ultimate will be up 60% of the time. Where as you give them one ally and their potential soars.

There are a bunch of potatoes though running around in light armor with no sustain trying to burst and failing while being rolled by any competent pvper. I think this leads to the misnomer that they are weak.

MLGProPlayer

Docmandu wrote: »

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

I think your thought process should have gone like...

"I'm not fully sure yet as my MagWarden is still just at lvl42 so I haven't equipped my 160 gear or a gold staff, therefore I'm not going to post about this class I'm inexperienced with and know little about."

@zyk I knew by level 3 that the class was unplayable, no further testing required.

They are perfectly viable. As long as doing damage isn't really your thing.

Mag warden does fine damage.. it's only issue is that a sorc shields better, bursts better, DPS's better, finishes better, moves better... in other words... play a warden for fun or challenge... if you want an easier time, roll a sorc.

It doesn't do fine damage. It does less damage than templar, DK, and NB too. It's dead last in the DPS department.

MLGProPlayer

DonWalking wrote: »

I thought this thread was a joke...

Okay, there's absolutely NO REASON TO BUFF THE WARDEN! I was dueling against one of my guild mate's dps CP 200 and I was playing around on a warden I just started on LV 14, and no CP into the warden, and no lie. I almost killed him with no problem. We're talking about a build that when introduced, all other classes were nerfed! Honestly I like the way they have the warden as of right now.

We got the Tanks: Dragonknights
We got the Healers: Templars
We got the Dps: Sorc/Blade
And now we got a class Support: Wardens

The thing about wardens is that you'll be good at all roles and help the team out, but you'll never truly be the best at that role.

DPS magward is completely useless in PvE. So yes, they do need a buff, and a pretty substantial one.

Slack

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