Delves and Public Dungeons are stupid, you can't find a single boss to kill

ManDraKE

I usually only PvP in this game, but since i bought Morrowind i decided to give it a try to the PvE aspect.....dear god. So many ppl farming delves and public dungeons that is pointless even do them, you won't find a single mob to fight, and the boss spawn location is usually filled with 5 dudes waiting for the boss to spawn, so a delve that usually takes me 3 minutes takes me 15 minutes of waiting the boss to spawn so i can clear it.

Make delves and public dungeons instance based, otherwise is pointless to do open world PvE.

imnotanother

The content just came out. What did you expect?

ManDraKE

imnotanother wrote: »

The content just came out. What did you expect?

being able to play it, is that too much to ask? also, in PC has been available for weeks. Just make delves and public dungeons instance based and problem solved

imnotanother

ManDraKE wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

The content just came out. What did you expect?

being able to play it, is that too much to ask? also, in PC has been available for weeks. Just make delves and public dungeons instance based and problem solved

I believe you are capable of playing. It is just crowded, at the moment. PC had an early access if you pre ordered but still was just released.
Instances wouldn't help out that new player who needs help killing the mobs in a public dungeon.

MercyKilling

This was a problem at launch, iirc. Bad design choice/flaw to go with the public delves/dungeons.

imnotanother wrote: »

Instances wouldn't help out that new player who needs help killing the mobs in a public dungeon.

Wrong. It'd be easy-peasy to have someone ask in zone for help, team up, run the instance and everyone go their way. I point at every other MMO that has instanced missions/dungeons as an example. If it works there, it can work here.

Sheva I 7 I

I teach many people this trick, you come somewhere where crowd is gathering and you might want bosses to all yourself, so we what do in our guild is have 3 people go in cave and scream in zone chat like for example: Michael (my name) come Riften very quick guy is give everyone free kuta, and one other guild guy say hey did you hear about guy who give kutas in riften away? people start charge out to check riften and we just have lots laugh and kill boss few time till come back happens

StormWylf

ManDraKE wrote: »

I usually only PvP in this game, but since i bought Morrowind i decided to give it a try to the PvE aspect.....dear god. So many ppl farming delves and public dungeons that is pointless even do them, you won't find a single mob to fight, and the boss spawn location is usually filled with 5 dudes waiting for the boss to spawn, so a delve that usually takes me 3 minutes takes me 15 minutes of waiting the boss to spawn so i can clear it.

Make delves and public dungeons instance based, otherwise is pointless to do open world PvE.

I feel your pain ManDrakE, I was having a blast in Morrowind, then like a swarm of locusts everything in Morrowind was covered in toons. So I simply dusted off an old character and started in the original world. I'll get back to Morrowind once the frenzy dies down.

However I do disagree with your idea of "Make delves and public dungeons instance based", I have fun temporarily grouping up in the delves and Public dungeons, the mobs will thin out over time, just have some patience.

Betsararie

ManDraKE wrote: »

Make delves and public dungeons instance based

Then why even play an MMO? Doesn't that ruin the entire game?

If everything is instance based you might as well go play Dynasty Warriors.

The point of this game is that it's a MULTIPLAYER game with other people around, interacting in the same world as you are.

That is the whole point of MMOs.

I can't tell you how much I disagree with you. I am almost never for more instancing in MMOs.

imnotanother

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

I teach many people this trick, you come somewhere where crowd is gathering and you might want bosses to all yourself, so we what do in our guild is have 3 people go in cave and scream in zone chat like for example: Michael (my name) come Riften very quick guy is give everyone free kuta, and one other guild guy say hey did you hear about guy who give kutas in riften away? people start charge out to check riften and we just have lots laugh and kill boss few time till come back happens

Is this why an angry mob grabbed me by my ankles, turned me upside down, and shook all my Kutas out of my pocket?!

ShedsHisTail

Hhehe, yeah, I played on Vvardenfell a bunch during early access and it was pretty fine, and then the actual release date hit and I haven't played since. Gonna give it another week before diving back in and and finishing Vvardenfell.

You'd think with "so little content" people would be done already. :P

ManDraKE

Blanco wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

Make delves and public dungeons instance based

Then why even play an MMO? Doesn't that ruin the entire game?

If everything is instance based you might as well go play Dynasty Warriors.

The point of this game is that it's a MULTIPLAYER game with other people around, interacting in the same world as you are.

That is the whole point of MMOs.

I can't tell you how much I disagree with you. I am almost never for more instancing in MMOs.

i play an MMO for the social aspect, the trading, the PvP and the group PvE. Delves are not suited for a zerg of farmers killing boses 24/7.

ViciousBunnii

imnotanother wrote: »

The content just came out. What did you expect?

That is a good point if this was only happening in the MW delves/public dungeons, but it's not. I have this issue in a lot of them, especially the one in Rivenspire. I just want to complete the content, not sit and wait for the boss to show up. The delves aren't so bad, because it's usually just one boss. But the public dungeons, with 8 bosses, waiting on each one of them can make a 30 min (respectively) dungeon into an hour or so. Ridiculous.

Morgha_Kul

I do understand the problem. I would be fine if there was an OPTION to have private instances on mission-related delves.

For instance, I recently went in to Barilzar's Tower as part of the Vivec questline in Morrowind, where I was to save him from attacking Daedra. However, as I entered the room, someone else was already there and defeated all the daedra. There was NOTHING for me to do, and no way to do it over, since it was quest related.

If there was an option to have private instances on demand... that might be beneficial. Play with others most of the time, but play privately when desired.

imnotanother

kissesandbunnies wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

The content just came out. What did you expect?

That is a good point if this was only happening in the MW delves/public dungeons, but it's not. I have this issue in a lot of them, especially the one in Rivenspire. I just want to complete the content, not sit and wait for the boss to show up. The delves aren't so bad, because it's usually just one boss. But the public dungeons, with 8 bosses, waiting on each one of them can make a 30 min (respectively) dungeon into an hour or so. Ridiculous.

Those seem like some exaggerated times.

Aliyavana

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Hhehe, yeah, I played on Vvardenfell a bunch during early access and it was pretty fine, and then the actual release date hit and I haven't played since. Gonna give it another week before diving back in and and finishing Vvardenfell.

You'd think with "so little content" people would be done already. :P

You need to understand that the surge of new players don't really understand where to go and might not know how to open the map. And those that havnt finished goal probably isn't to finish but to count all the mushrooms along the way

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Id love to have personal/group instances in delves. It would return a whole game play style that is really missing from the game. Stealth. I know there are stealth missions but most of them are try not to get caught. Id love to be the stealthy character sneaking around a delve. You know the style that is all but pointless in eso combat.

I do think public should stay public tho.

JWKe

Instanced? No way The game is already SP enough. hahah.

BlackSparrow

The current state is the exception, not the rule. Head to any of the non-Vvardenfell dungeons and you'll see what they're usually like: pretty much empty, though occasionally you'll cross paths with or find yourself in the trail of another player soloing the content.

MasterSpatula

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

For instance, I recently went in to Barilzar's Tower as part of the Vivec questline in Morrowind, where I was to save him from attacking Daedra. However, as I entered the room, someone else was already there and defeated all the daedra. There was NOTHING for me to do, and no way to do it over, since it was quest related.

This kind of thing happens to me from time to time. When it does, some times I just move on with my life. Others, I feel a little cheated I didn't get to fight the boss. So I wait. Another player will be by soon which will force the boss to respawn and I'll get my fight.

So saying there"NOTHING" for you to do is overstating it a bit.

Everstorm

Blanco wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

Make delves and public dungeons instance based

Then why even play an MMO? Doesn't that ruin the entire game?

If everything is instance based you might as well go play Dynasty Warriors.

The point of this game is that it's a MULTIPLAYER game with other people around, interacting in the same world as you are.

That is the whole point of MMOs.

I can't tell you how much I disagree with you. I am almost never for more instancing in MMOs.

That line of thinking might be relevant if the content in question actually required grouping. Most experienced players will roflstomp trough every delve and public dungeons are hardly better.

Skjoldur

imnotanother wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

The content just came out. What did you expect?

being able to play it, is that too much to ask? also, in PC has been available for weeks. Just make delves and public dungeons instance based and problem solved

I believe you are capable of playing. It is just crowded, at the moment. PC had an early access if you pre ordered but still was just released.
Instances wouldn't help out that new player who needs help killing the mobs in a public dungeon.

Instancing does not necessarily mean, one instance per person. They just need to set a more reasonable maximum number of players per instance. If one instance is full, another is created.

Not that hard to implement, keeps the MMO aspect, helps weaker players and prevents overcrowding.

SunnyBunny

Hmm maybe it's the time your playing? I have gone to dungeons that has had not a single person in them and others that seemed kinda full. Of course when no one else around is when I've died a couple of times. I was always thankful when another player came by and I got the help I needed. Or when I just want to get a skyshards and everything is already dead, that is when I Sprint to it. Usually on the way out every thing has respawned.

DaveMoeDee

imnotanother wrote: »

The content just came out. What did you expect?

Sure, anytime someone mentions a problem with anything we can say, "it is what it is. what did you expect?"

DaveMoeDee

Blanco wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

Make delves and public dungeons instance based

Then why even play an MMO? Doesn't that ruin the entire game?

If everything is instance based you might as well go play Dynasty Warriors.

The point of this game is that it's a MULTIPLAYER game with other people around, interacting in the same world as you are.

That is the whole point of MMOs.

I can't tell you how much I disagree with you. I am almost never for more instancing in MMOs.

While interacting with others is unquestionably NOT the "whole point" of MMOs, it is the nature of MMOs to share a world.

Varen Aquilarios and Sheogorath contest that claim. We even have another thread about playing the game as a single player game, which a lot of people do quite successfully.

Bouldercleave

ManDraKE wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

The content just came out. What did you expect?

being able to play it, is that too much to ask? also, in PC has been available for weeks. Just make delves and public dungeons instance based and problem solved

Kinda defeats the premise of a "public" dungeon...

QuebraRegra

Skjoldur wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

The content just came out. What did you expect?

being able to play it, is that too much to ask? also, in PC has been available for weeks. Just make delves and public dungeons instance based and problem solved

I believe you are capable of playing. It is just crowded, at the moment. PC had an early access if you pre ordered but still was just released.
Instances wouldn't help out that new player who needs help killing the mobs in a public dungeon.

Instancing does not necessarily mean, one instance per person. They just need to set a more reasonable maximum number of players per instance. If one instance is full, another is created.

Not that hard to implement, keeps the MMO aspect, helps weaker players and prevents overcrowding.

been saying this for a while... the number of players in a given instance needs to be reduced slightly (could be bumped back up by a large group, etc.). I'd also like to see if reduced number of players per instance reduces some of the in instance lag (like when yer in a busy city, WAYREST, etc.)?

ZOS is making money, it's time to reinvest in better network infrastructure, more server hardware to allow for more VMs.

Megabear

I pre-ordered Morrowind about a month or two before release. I've only spent maybe an hour on the island. I'm waiting until the place empties out.

AlnilamE

ManDraKE wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

Make delves and public dungeons instance based

Then why even play an MMO? Doesn't that ruin the entire game?

If everything is instance based you might as well go play Dynasty Warriors.

The point of this game is that it's a MULTIPLAYER game with other people around, interacting in the same world as you are.

That is the whole point of MMOs.

I can't tell you how much I disagree with you. I am almost never for more instancing in MMOs.

i play an MMO for the social aspect, the trading, the PvP and the group PvE. Delves are not suited for a zerg of farmers killing boses 24/7.

Yeah, but they are awesome for group guild events. We've been working on getting the delves/public dungeons/world bosses on Vvardenfell done on all our characters.

Volsunga

I personally like pretty much the way it is. But I do wish too that there was a lowered maximum player cap per instance. Because while some small delves and public dungeons are fine, some other are constantly overflooded and farmed and it is usually a nightmare.

Having the possibility to run a "private" delve could be entertaining when we play with friends, family and guildies, so I'm all for it. As long it is an option and the current system stays like it is.

On the same topic, opening up all those boring solo instances from main quests with the possibility to complete it as a group would be so much more fun. I essentially play with my companion and guild mates and solo instance are always breaking our enjoyment to play together.

Erock25

This is only ever a problem when new content is released, but they should absolutely create new instances of delves/public dungeons after four players enter. Four players max is the perfect amount to feel like there are others present but not overcrowding.

Kodrac

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

I teach many people this trick, you come somewhere where crowd is gathering and you might want bosses to all yourself, so we what do in our guild is have 3 people go in cave and scream in zone chat like for example: Michael (my name) come Riften very quick guy is give everyone free kuta, and one other guild guy say hey did you hear about guy who give kutas in riften away? people start charge out to check riften and we just have lots laugh and kill boss few time till come back happens

Are you 12?