Warden Bear
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dodgehopper_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I like the bear - he's great for protecting you if you go afk. Its also fun in general pve. Other than that like all pets it is just a pet.
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SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »
Completely useless in endgame PvE. AOE ults are a must.
That's why i mention the ult is strong for single target and duels. On another words, not a worthless ult in the slightestWhen the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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Everstorm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »
Completely useless in endgame PvE. AOE ults are a must.
Not everyone cares about Endgame PvE.5 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »
Completely useless in endgame PvE. AOE ults are a must.
Not everyone cares about Endgame PvE.
You always measure viability against the most difficult content. It doesn't matter if you play the content or not.
That's why MOBAs, shooters, RTS games, etc. are balanced around upper level ranked play and not casual play. What works for the best players will also work for the worst, but not the other way around.Edited by MLGProPlayer on June 11, 2017 8:51AM2 -
SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »
Completely useless in endgame PvE. AOE ults are a must.
Not everyone cares about Endgame PvE.
You always measure viability against the most difficult content. It doesn't matter if you play the content or not.
That's why MOBAs, shooters, RTS games, etc. are balanced around upper level ranked play and not casual play. What works for the best players will also work for the worst, but not the other way around.
you will do better on manticora with the bear instead of destro ult or rend.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
Arg | Pc Na | Factionless Mag Warden.0 -
Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Phica_Lovic wrote: »It's the best single target dmge ulti, and pretty strong on duels too. It's you buddy.
Which game are you playing ? @SanTii.92
best. ult. single. target. dmge.
lol what. Meteor? Dawnbreaker? Storm Atro? You really think its the best?
I'll go ahead and say troll alert.
none of those will contribute more single target dps than what the bear does.
Are you taking about the best while it's out PLUS the slash? Or just the slash?0 -
Krayzie✭✭✭✭✭But, but, but warden was supposed to be all around OP unstoppable and its only weakness was that it had no weakness.I'm a PVE roleplayer concerned about my vampires stage 4 skin tone and keep getting load screens so I came here to distract people from major issues with a rant thread about my characters cosmetic appearance.3 -
agegarton✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The bear is a pretty decent Ult, but I can't help but think you're sacrificing a second ult slot for the cosmetics of having a pet bear following you around that isn't non-combat. However, work is needed to stop the thing going AWOL (I suspect you'll find him in the woods), because he does seem to absent himself whenever nature calls.
I would say, too, that it's underpowered. For the sacrifice of having only a single ult, I'd expect a higher damage output or maybe AOE and single target options under trigger. Maybe not much higher, but something "up there" with the likes of the destro ult, or the morphs of meteor, for example. It's a bit mid-range for the cost.
And for Vivec's sake, replace the "tattoo" on whichever morph has it - it looks like I drew it. Which is bad.0 -
Iselin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Phica_Lovic wrote: »It's the best single target dmge ulti, and pretty strong on duels too. It's you buddy.
Which game are you playing ? @SanTii.92
best. ult. single. target. dmge.
lol what. Meteor? Dawnbreaker? Storm Atro? You really think its the best?
I'll go ahead and say troll alert.
none of those will contribute more single target dps than what the bear does.
Are you taking about the best while it's out PLUS the slash? Or just the slash?
Of course.
Other ultimates, with some rare exceptions like Flawless Dawnbreaker, that contribute to DPS while being slotted do damage for a few seconds and then they're gone.
The bear Ultimate not only ups all your other animal companion ability damage by 2% sort of like Flawless Dawnbreaker it also contributes its own DPS while your ultimate resource is regenerating and its 75 ultimate cost for the extra damage ability is dirt cheap (and therefore up again very quickly) compared to most other ultimate.
And then there's the fact that the extra damage ultimate ability is also an execute that does double damage on targets under 25% health.
If you're going to talk about its value as single target DPS you need to add all of those things up and when you do, you realize that it ain't too shabby at all.Edited by Iselin on June 11, 2017 11:54AM0 -
Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Kinda makes up for the stam warden being very OP in other areas. A strong ultimate combined with some of the vastly op skills would be insane as things currently stand.
Edited by Prof_Bawbag on June 11, 2017 11:59AM0 -
Insandros✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »
All pets are double bared, same as sorc, same as inner light, if you don't double bar, you'll see.0 -
Zardayne✭✭✭✭✭All double barring of skills needs to go. Hell we only have 10 skill slots and 2 ultimates.7 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Neoicelord wrote: »is there any way to make the Warden bear.....not worthless?
Don't quite follow your question? Remember once you have summoned the bear you can use the ultimate again and it will do a 'Ferocious slash' (Or something) which does quite decent damage to it's target.
I may have missed the point of your question though... lol!
This ultimate - loud, blockable, stunable (LOL) and no AOE at all. Tbh, any other ultimate is more useful.2 -
mr1sho✭✭✭✭✭OK stop with the bear puns there's enough honey in these pots boo booGold Company Commander1 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »
All pets are double bared, same as sorc, same as inner light, if you don't double bar, you'll see.
But those aren't ultimates.1 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I kind of want it to sit down or lay down when we aren't moving. Like wild bears do.
Also, since it takes up 2 ults it would be nice to have its own mini skills bar bound to like 6,7,8 for: attack, charge, stop attacking.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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GilGalad✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »
Completely useless in endgame PvE. AOE ults are a must.
Have you actually played a warden yet?
The Wardens AOE and cleave DPS is extremely high, due to deep fissure. It has 2.25 times the tooltip value of impulse (1.35 times the cliff racer tooltip) and can be casted every 3 sec. Even with the bear ultimate you will have competitive AOE/Cleave DPS. The only downside is, that it is not a huge AOE burst like a destro ultimate for example, but the base AOE DPS without ultimate is probably the highest in the game.
The most effective use of the bear is probably when combined with master architect. While NBs loose a lot of AOE/cleave DPS when using soul harvest, Wardens will still be very high, plus the bear can be activated at range.3 -
mb10✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Was standing against one today in PVP on a 5 piece light armour mag nb and the bear is quite pathetic sorry to say.
Very slow attacks and the damage is quite crap too. The heavy attack thing they do can be moon walked out the way from so I didn't really take that seriously either.
Slot yourself a destro ultimate or a meteor lmao1 -
brutus33Soul ShrivenSomeone posted that the bear never dies. Mine apparently did. So where does it go. I'm on 3rd progress bar to get that ultimate back.0
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I swear all these 'doom and gloom' Warden posts... most are L2P issues since why is it other players are able to get higher DPS with them and others cannot... perhaps it's because they refuse to stop trying to play them like a Sorc and figure out another way to play the Warden.
As for the bear, the only problem I have with it is that it keeps disappearing/reappearing... but then again I tend to kill everything before it is even needed anyway. The bear beats Clannfear because it never dies, it doesn't make annoying sounds, and it doesn't take up two slots on the main bar; I rarely ever need to use an ultimate anyway so the fact it's damage isn't great doesn't bother me... for the most part I use it to maintain Necropotence and to have a fighting companion.
I agree, people are too caught up with being the VERY BEST.
Bunch of ash catchums.....
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Nyghthowler✭✭✭✭✭
✭I know i'm about to break some forum rule and get boo'ed, hissed, and spit at and possibly exiled from the forums when I say this; I play to have fun. I don't care about leader boards, or min/maxing, or growing my epeen to massive proportions.
I have fun with bear at my side, and that's all that matters.I'm not prejudiced; I hate everyone equally !6 -
Rawreak Rovyre✭✭✭I'm enjoying the stam warden so far.
Non Min/Maxed character - orc archer with a bear. Basically trying to recreate my vanilla WoW hunter.
There are certainly times where I wish the bear was different (console pet attack command please) but I am used to pets having issues like lousy pathing etc. Bear isn't perfect but happy to have him around.
Great to see a class with useful stam morphs (a stam heal I don't have to pvp to get? yay!).
With you here. Imperial archer with bear, also trying to recreate my WoW hunter. Have always played pet classes.
Tried the sorcerer but I felt wrong using a bow.
That said to OP, it is a little lackluster... sorry...
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PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭Neoicelord wrote: »is there any way to make the Warden bear.....not worthless?
Yes, Don't morph it to Eternal Guardian.
I've seen my bear ultimate attack hit for 30k+ damage. He's also good as an emergency tank. Was doing FG 2 the other night. Tank and healer both died. Bear had agro on boss and allowed us to res the tank and healer without wiping. He was also a valid target for the laser on the forth boss. Since I was at range, whenever the bear had the laser, I just recalled him with "R" (command pet) and right-click.Edited by PlagueSD on September 15, 2017 10:51PM1 -
QUEZ420✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »
Completely useless in endgame PvE. AOE ults are a must.
Not everyone cares about Endgame PvE.
You always measure viability against the most difficult content. It doesn't matter if you play the content or not.
That's why MOBAs, shooters, RTS games, etc. are balanced around upper level ranked play and not casual play. What works for the best players will also work for the worst, but not the other way around.
This bruh, facts.1 -
Bryong9ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »
All pets are double bared, same as sorc, same as inner light, if you don't double bar, you'll see.
I don't double bar inner light.. I keep it on my front bar. it's not needed if you have have all your DoTs on back bar and you swap after you apply them.0
