Bond With Nature?

SilverIce58

How does this passive work? Like if I use Scorch does that count as an animal companion? Does the cliffracer from Dive count as one?

SanTii.92

both yeah, even if growing swam morph hit 6 enemies it will heal you x6 when the effect ends.

SilverIce58

Wow wow wow, that's awesome, guess I will get that passive after all lol

Aureli

No it doesn't.

Brutusmax1mus

Wooooow

Use it before they "fix" it

Dixa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD_5Dh_bioM

'nuff said

paulsimonps

They showcased and explained this passive on the ESO live where they showcased that skill line, so not sure why people are saying that it doesn't give heal after using the cliff racer or shalks.

Dixa wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD_5Dh_bioM

'nuff said

Like that ^

Lum1on

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Don't listen to santi. However, you can spam your netch for free heals. That does count.

Use it before they "fix" it

Last time I checked (a week, two weeks ago?) the passive did proc from Scorch, Dive and Swarm (and of course Betty netch). Not sure have they changed it.

And I wouldn't really call it "broken" because that's how it's designed to work - just like it says.

Dixa

Lum1on wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Don't listen to santi. However, you can spam your netch for free heals. That does count.

Use it before they "fix" it

Last time I checked (a week, two weeks ago?) the passive did proc from Scorch, Dive and Swarm (and of course Betty netch). Not sure have they changed it.

And I wouldn't really call it "broken" because that's how it's designed to work - just like it says.

the delay on animal companion ablities keeps it from being stupid. the fletcher fly morph that has it transfer to several enemies can potentially heal you for a crap ton if it ends up on a lot o enemies and they die - but for fights that matter this doesn't actually happen.

it DOES mean that for landscape content, you really only need to use animal companion abilities for self sustain.

olsborg

Its fun to weave dive with light atks while having green lotus up, the heals are sick:)

Waffennacht

olsborg wrote: »

Its fun to weave dive with light atks while having green lotus up, the heals are sick:)

I'm finding the Warden to be more and more bamf than I thought

Brutusmax1mus

Lum1on wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Don't listen to santi. However, you can spam your netch for free heals. That does count.

Use it before they "fix" it

Last time I checked (a week, two weeks ago?) the passive did proc from Scorch, Dive and Swarm (and of course Betty netch). Not sure have they changed it.

And I wouldn't really call it "broken" because that's how it's designed to work - just like it says.

My bad, that's op.

Dixa

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lum1on wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Don't listen to santi. However, you can spam your netch for free heals. That does count.

Use it before they "fix" it

Last time I checked (a week, two weeks ago?) the passive did proc from Scorch, Dive and Swarm (and of course Betty netch). Not sure have they changed it.

And I wouldn't really call it "broken" because that's how it's designed to work - just like it says.

My bad, that's op.

it's really not. it's about on par with crit surge and daedric barrier, better actually cause it's easy to get crit surge to heal once per second.

Waffennacht

Dixa wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lum1on wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Don't listen to santi. However, you can spam your netch for free heals. That does count.

Use it before they "fix" it

Last time I checked (a week, two weeks ago?) the passive did proc from Scorch, Dive and Swarm (and of course Betty netch). Not sure have they changed it.

And I wouldn't really call it "broken" because that's how it's designed to work - just like it says.

My bad, that's op.

it's really not. it's about on par with crit surge and daedric barrier, better actually cause it's easy to get crit surge to heal once per second.

Well you can get it to proc 3 times in 1 second with shall dive and swarm, so in a 10 sec span you get potentially 14 procs? It's slightly better than Surge imo - that doesn't require a slot or activation

Dixa

Waffennacht wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lum1on wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Don't listen to santi. However, you can spam your netch for free heals. That does count.

Use it before they "fix" it

Last time I checked (a week, two weeks ago?) the passive did proc from Scorch, Dive and Swarm (and of course Betty netch). Not sure have they changed it.

And I wouldn't really call it "broken" because that's how it's designed to work - just like it says.

My bad, that's op.

it's really not. it's about on par with crit surge and daedric barrier, better actually cause it's easy to get crit surge to heal once per second.

Well you can get it to proc 3 times in 1 second with shall dive and swarm, so in a 10 sec span you get potentially 14 procs? It's slightly better than Surge imo - that doesn't require a slot or activation

3 times in one second? dive has an animation time. even when up in their face the fastest that is going to proc is once per second.

swarm will only proc when mobs die with it on or it expires. to get more than a single heal you have to either manually cast it on each mob or kill at least one with it first in a pack.

fissure has a 3s delayed activation. you might get 3 in a second once if all the stars align, but you won't average 3 per second. you won't even average 2 per second unless you are dropping packs of trash that fast.

crit surge doesn't need any of that setup or special circumstances. just drop a couple ground dots and you are getting healed once per second, for the same amount.

paulsimonps

Dixa wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lum1on wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Don't listen to santi. However, you can spam your netch for free heals. That does count.

Use it before they "fix" it

Last time I checked (a week, two weeks ago?) the passive did proc from Scorch, Dive and Swarm (and of course Betty netch). Not sure have they changed it.

And I wouldn't really call it "broken" because that's how it's designed to work - just like it says.

My bad, that's op.

it's really not. it's about on par with crit surge and daedric barrier, better actually cause it's easy to get crit surge to heal once per second.

Well you can get it to proc 3 times in 1 second with shall dive and swarm, so in a 10 sec span you get potentially 14 procs? It's slightly better than Surge imo - that doesn't require a slot or activation

3 times in one second? dive has an animation time. even when up in their face the fastest that is going to proc is once per second.

swarm will only proc when mobs die with it on or it expires. to get more than a single heal you have to either manually cast it on each mob or kill at least one with it first in a pack.

fissure has a 3s delayed activation. you might get 3 in a second once if all the stars align, but you won't average 3 per second. you won't even average 2 per second unless you are dropping packs of trash that fast.

crit surge doesn't need any of that setup or special circumstances. just drop a couple ground dots and you are getting healed once per second, for the same amount.

Indeed, crit surge is the easier to use. But the Warden has the added addition that if you use that passive and light weave with Lotus you can heal not only you but othes as well, and if it does heal others you get resources back, great sustain paired with great utility. Atm I know that many feel that the warden is pulling lower DPS than others but I think running one or two in a group anyway is beneficial cause of the many utility skills they can run, and they can run them without really dropping their DPS, if anything it buffs it if done right.

Rememeber a dead DPS deals no Damage.

The wardens are not OP but they are also not super weak, I think they could do with a slight damage buff, not on the cliffracer though cause its already strong enough in PvP, but on the shalk or swarm that are a bit tricker to use. That or buff the WInter's Revenge.

SodanTok

paulsimonps wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lum1on wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Don't listen to santi. However, you can spam your netch for free heals. That does count.

Use it before they "fix" it

Last time I checked (a week, two weeks ago?) the passive did proc from Scorch, Dive and Swarm (and of course Betty netch). Not sure have they changed it.

And I wouldn't really call it "broken" because that's how it's designed to work - just like it says.

My bad, that's op.

it's really not. it's about on par with crit surge and daedric barrier, better actually cause it's easy to get crit surge to heal once per second.

Well you can get it to proc 3 times in 1 second with shall dive and swarm, so in a 10 sec span you get potentially 14 procs? It's slightly better than Surge imo - that doesn't require a slot or activation

3 times in one second? dive has an animation time. even when up in their face the fastest that is going to proc is once per second.

swarm will only proc when mobs die with it on or it expires. to get more than a single heal you have to either manually cast it on each mob or kill at least one with it first in a pack.

fissure has a 3s delayed activation. you might get 3 in a second once if all the stars align, but you won't average 3 per second. you won't even average 2 per second unless you are dropping packs of trash that fast.

crit surge doesn't need any of that setup or special circumstances. just drop a couple ground dots and you are getting healed once per second, for the same amount.

Indeed, crit surge is the easier to use. But the Warden has the added addition that if you use that passive and light weave with Lotus you can heal not only you but othes as well, and if it does heal others you get resources back, great sustain paired with great utility. Atm I know that many feel that the warden is pulling lower DPS than others but I think running one or two in a group anyway is beneficial cause of the many utility skills they can run, and they can run them without really dropping their DPS, if anything it buffs it if done right.

Rememeber a dead DPS deals no Damage.

The wardens are not OP but they are also not super weak, I think they could do with a slight damage buff, not on the cliffracer though cause its already strong enough in PvP, but on the shalk or swarm that are a bit tricker to use. That or buff the WInter's Revenge.

Just to clarify your statement "light weave with Lotus you can heal not only you but othes as well" -> light weave with lotus you can heal yourself OR others. Not both. If you are in some AoE that constantly makes your HP pool under 100% you will never heal others and never get resources.

Plus I think the lotus scales with spell damage (while giving weapon critical) while at least crit surge is fixed value for both mag/stam

Dixa

paulsimonps wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lum1on wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Don't listen to santi. However, you can spam your netch for free heals. That does count.

Use it before they "fix" it

Last time I checked (a week, two weeks ago?) the passive did proc from Scorch, Dive and Swarm (and of course Betty netch). Not sure have they changed it.

And I wouldn't really call it "broken" because that's how it's designed to work - just like it says.

My bad, that's op.

it's really not. it's about on par with crit surge and daedric barrier, better actually cause it's easy to get crit surge to heal once per second.

Well you can get it to proc 3 times in 1 second with shall dive and swarm, so in a 10 sec span you get potentially 14 procs? It's slightly better than Surge imo - that doesn't require a slot or activation

3 times in one second? dive has an animation time. even when up in their face the fastest that is going to proc is once per second.

swarm will only proc when mobs die with it on or it expires. to get more than a single heal you have to either manually cast it on each mob or kill at least one with it first in a pack.

fissure has a 3s delayed activation. you might get 3 in a second once if all the stars align, but you won't average 3 per second. you won't even average 2 per second unless you are dropping packs of trash that fast.

crit surge doesn't need any of that setup or special circumstances. just drop a couple ground dots and you are getting healed once per second, for the same amount.

Indeed, crit surge is the easier to use. But the Warden has the added addition that if you use that passive and light weave with Lotus you can heal not only you but othes as well, and if it does heal others you get resources back, great sustain paired with great utility. Atm I know that many feel that the warden is pulling lower DPS than others but I think running one or two in a group anyway is beneficial cause of the many utility skills they can run, and they can run them without really dropping their DPS, if anything it buffs it if done right.

Rememeber a dead DPS deals no Damage.

The wardens are not OP but they are also not super weak, I think they could do with a slight damage buff, not on the cliffracer though cause its already strong enough in PvP, but on the shalk or swarm that are a bit tricker to use. That or buff the WInter's Revenge.

you will get more as a dps warden double bar'ng inner light than single bar'ng lotus

it only heals you, or an ally. one target and the range is tiny. you don't need it for personal survivability the class has better tools for that.

SirCritical

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Waffennacht

Dixa wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lum1on wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Don't listen to santi. However, you can spam your netch for free heals. That does count.

Use it before they "fix" it

Last time I checked (a week, two weeks ago?) the passive did proc from Scorch, Dive and Swarm (and of course Betty netch). Not sure have they changed it.

And I wouldn't really call it "broken" because that's how it's designed to work - just like it says.

My bad, that's op.

it's really not. it's about on par with crit surge and daedric barrier, better actually cause it's easy to get crit surge to heal once per second.

Well you can get it to proc 3 times in 1 second with shall dive and swarm, so in a 10 sec span you get potentially 14 procs? It's slightly better than Surge imo - that doesn't require a slot or activation

3 times in one second? dive has an animation time. even when up in their face the fastest that is going to proc is once per second.

swarm will only proc when mobs die with it on or it expires. to get more than a single heal you have to either manually cast it on each mob or kill at least one with it first in a pack.

fissure has a 3s delayed activation. you might get 3 in a second once if all the stars align, but you won't average 3 per second. you won't even average 2 per second unless you are dropping packs of trash that fast.

crit surge doesn't need any of that setup or special circumstances. just drop a couple ground dots and you are getting healed once per second, for the same amount.

And all of those will line up occasionally (which you point out, and I never meant it to be intended as 3 per sec, just you can have 3 in one sec). The point is you get as much or more from this passive than surge.

Plus, who talks about PvE anymore? It's "X,Y,B, heavy, X,Y,B"