why is stamsorc considered as verry strong???

Valencer

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Valencer wrote: »

- 5% ability cost reduction
- 10% more magicka regen
- 15% ulti cost reduction
- 5% more physical damage
- more weapon damage for every sorc ability you slot
- a built-in execute that procs off all physical damage
- an excellent resistance buff that puts significant pressure on opponents at the same time
- strong additional HoT through Surge
- great mobility through streak and unique access to minor expedition
- ability to convert magicka directly to stamina through dark deal
- great group utility because of negate.
- Optionally, sacrifice 2 bar slots for 20% more stamina regen and more max stamina. Not that useful for a solo build but definitely interesting for group builds that can sacrifice slots.

Seems pretty weak to me.

- strong ass class ultimates that also return resources
-5% more health recovery for every draconic power ability slottet, which also gives you 12% more healing while active
-25% more weapon damage through access to minor and major brutality
-a built-in snare for 1/3 of your class skills
- an excellent resistance buff that puts significant pressure on opponents who attack you at the same time, also grants a shield or a DoT + 3300 spell resistance from passives
- 10% better block mitigation
- instant self healing ability that also isn't linked to your max resource but your missing health
- acces to major mending
- great mobility counter through unique gap closer that let's you pull single enemies into your safe space and best root in the game + 12% more healing while draconic power abilites are active
- ability to restore 1k stam from using class skills or all resources from ultimates, allowing you to pressure your opponents while managing resources instead of running away
- great utility because of Mountain's Blessing, Molten Weapons, Magma Shell, Standard of the Might. Not to mention the abilities that actual heals allies while pressuring opponents like Cauterize or Obsidian Shard

I think the point flew so far over your head it went straight into orbit.

All of the things I listed are useful in almost every PvP-viable stam sorc build, whereas half the DK stuff you just listed is only useful in very specialised builds, incorrect or not a class-specific advantage. Roll a DK and have fun killing people with your OP standard of might, chains and green dragon blood.

Point is, stamina sorc is really good and almost nothing about that has changed besides dark deal finally being reliably counterable.

Chilly-McFreeze

Should I link you the two other main responses or are you ignoring them by design? I sum them up for you:
a) not everything you listed makes sSorcs really good. Biro wrote a nice comment about that
b) I also wrote that there is no point in arguing about A is better at X in no CP while ignoring that B is better at Y in CP. As examples.
Maybe you catch it now.

Roll a sSorc and have fun killing people with your + 70 magicka regen and OP negate, bound armaments and dark deal.
Not a class specific advantage... smh. Of course it's no unique, so isn't a boost to damage or regen.

MikeMeezy77

You can use overload bar for more skills...

Chilly-McFreeze

MikeMeezy77 wrote: »

You can use overload bar for more skills...

Yes, and that's really practical outside of combat and if you find a way to use it in the heat of the battle.
But mind that using overload in combat has a few drawbacks:
- really clunky to pull of, it requires additional bar swaps + animations
- you can't use weapon skills while on overload bar
- you need to have enough Ultimate stored to access the third bar
- you loose out on one functional ultimate

Mostly I put utility stuff on it like rapids and defending rune. Also stuff you can use before you engage combat like reamring trap. And the usual "O ***" stuff like Vigor or Mist Form because you don't have time to do 2 bar swaps just to reach them. And, of course, the toggles.

It's handy, I'll give you that, but by no means it's what makes sSorcs strong.

Kilandros

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

- instant self healing ability that also isn't linked to your max resource but your missing health

LOL

MikeMeezy77

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

MikeMeezy77 wrote: »

You can use overload bar for more skills...

Yes, and that's really practical outside of combat and if you find a way to use it in the heat of the battle.
But mind that using overload in combat has a few drawbacks:
- really clunky to pull of, it requires additional bar swaps + animations
- you can't use weapon skills while on overload bar
- you need to have enough Ultimate stored to access the third bar
- you loose out on one functional ultimate

Mostly I put utility stuff on it like rapids and defending rune. Also stuff you can use before you engage combat like reamring trap. And the usual "O ***" stuff like Vigor or Mist Form because you don't have time to do 2 bar swaps just to reach them. And, of course, the toggles.

It's handy, I'll give you that, but by no means it's what makes sSorcs strong.

No not saying it makes it OP or anything, but it is nice to have. Caltrops on that bar for cap the flag is always nice lol

FearlessOne_2014

Brrrofski wrote: »

Mobility, good damage (those implosion procs at time...) and a great sustain skill.

That's why they are good in BGs.

I still think stamblade is strongest in BGs though.

Stamblade is strongest everywhere except endgame PvE. However that may change here in a week or two.

thankyourat

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Mobility, good damage (those implosion procs at time...) and a great sustain skill.

That's why they are good in BGs.

I still think stamblade is strongest in BGs though.

Stamblade is strongest everywhere except endgame PvE. However that may change here in a week or two.

There is no way stamblade is as strong as stam sorc. Dark deal simply puts stam sorcs over the top compared to stamblade. The burst damage of the two classes are basically identical, but stamsorc will have a much easier time sustaining in heavy armor. Even with the resource nerfs in the update stam sorc can still go all damage the only sacrafice is switching from bi-stat food to tri-stat food

Drakkdjinn

Because it has a built in counter to resource poisons and other cheese. Problem is still the cheese tho.

Chilly-McFreeze

thankyourat wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Mobility, good damage (those implosion procs at time...) and a great sustain skill.

That's why they are good in BGs.

I still think stamblade is strongest in BGs though.

Stamblade is strongest everywhere except endgame PvE. However that may change here in a week or two.

There is no way stamblade is as strong as stam sorc. Dark deal simply puts stam sorcs over the top compared to stamblade. The burst damage of the two classes are basically identical, but stamsorc will have a much easier time sustaining in heavy armor. Even with the resource nerfs in the update stam sorc can still go all damage the only sacrafice is switching from bi-stat food to tri-stat food

Are they? Enlighten me what burst options outside of weapon and guild skills stam Sorcs have.

Biro123

thankyourat wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Mobility, good damage (those implosion procs at time...) and a great sustain skill.

That's why they are good in BGs.

I still think stamblade is strongest in BGs though.

Stamblade is strongest everywhere except endgame PvE. However that may change here in a week or two.

There is no way stamblade is as strong as stam sorc. Dark deal simply puts stam sorcs over the top compared to stamblade. The burst damage of the two classes are basically identical, but stamsorc will have a much easier time sustaining in heavy armor. Even with the resource nerfs in the update stam sorc can still go all damage the only sacrafice is switching from bi-stat food to tri-stat food

Idk man. My stamsorc has switched to medium armour now and dropped dark deal.. They always had to use tri-stat pots pre morrowind. Now constitution and dark deal alone is not enough especially when your blocked heavy attacks return nothing. Unless you want to be dark dealing after every 3 abilities, you gotta build in a significant amount of stam recov, just like everyone else.

Kupoking

I have all 4 classes in stam and tbh I've played Stamsorc the 1st week, though it would be no1 character this patch. Had some decent success with him until I found a way to make my stamplar work this patch.

Now I've put my sorc down 3rd on my list under my stamplar (w/o procs) and stamDK (surprisingly enough). I still feel they outclass or par with stamNB. Main reason it went down was 1-being more easily burstd by procs, 2- having some weakness vs. magsorc (cant crit on shield therefore cant heal with crit surge which is a bummer) 3- Not enough burst capacity other than in execute phase, 4- Not many ways to deal withy healing templars other thyan dropping negate on them (No major defile burst like the NB, no high burst like PoTL nor Leap).

I still feel like all 4 classes are balanced stamwise, with pros and cons and my guess is that if I had mainted stamsorc longer I'd be making him work better than the others right now. But, feeling that since hurricane damage nerf the stamsorc isnt the dominant one anymore.

nCats

In aviation terminology, stamsorc synergises well with the ``boom and zoom'' tactics, which means doing high burst while also knowing how and when to break away to replenish. While viper-tremor works on stamsorc, it is IMO better on some other stam setups (DK as obvious pick, mixed with say ravager and skilled player gives absolute beast); the builds like Fengrush's supernaut seem to actually better fit the class idea.