Should colleted SKYSHARDS be available account wide?

FleetwoodSmack

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Yadvo wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Biased poll is biased. No, they should not be account wide. Doing so would make the game easier and pointless.

Ofcourse it makes the game easier, thats the whole point! Having 10 characters I find it really annyoing that I need to sacriface weeks (I dont play every day) just to get all the skyshards. Only then am I able to start actually playing the game.

How does it make the game easier? Is running around a challenge for you? LOL

We all make the same sacrifice. Character development is an investment. Not a choice.

idk

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Clearly a poorly designed poll intended to bring about results to match the OPs opinion. Interesting that even a poll intended to sway the results still doesn't support the OPs views.

I really don't think I deserve to have 327 skill points on every character. More after completing Morrowind.

Sigtric

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Biased poll is biased but I answered no anyway.

If you want people to take your cockamamie ideas somewhat serious, flat yes or no answer options work better.

lagrue

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Kay1 wrote: »

It's so funny to read this thread.

All of you must be using the addons who tells you where are all the skyshards and lorebooks are, on console it can take between 8-14h to get Mage Guild to 10 and all skyshards can take you a week or more while on PC I used to get mage guild 10 in 2h for a character level 40 that I was gonna use in BwB.


In console there's no addons to tell you when to dodge, to change gear every 2 sec, to grind skill points, lorebooks, dps, and I can keep going for 60 or more lines.

It shouldn't be account wide in my opinion, we should just be able to unlock their location when we first get one of them, per example if I get a lorebook it should show on my next character that in that place I can get a lorebook and same for the skyshards so the grind lovers will be happy and the people like OP who rather play tham grinding will be happy too because it will become easier.

Your opinion is much better received in the last paragraph - the whole rant about consoles and addons really took a poo on your statement. If you just snip out those first 2 paragraphs you might get a better response.

I totally agree with the unlocking the locations, I mentioned it on page 1 and many others have since then.

Emmagoldman

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

Ive already done it and I dont live through my toon. I accomplished every task. Sorry rpers, but you are the real you. I have many alts, and I hate spending my weekend collecting skyshards.

But really the wording of the poll is horrible. Maybe some people find it fun

WarpigFunk

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

lillybit wrote: »

Seriously? That's 100+ skill points, not even counting the DLC zones. While you're about it, why not have characters come out of character creation fully levelled with full gold BiS gear.

CP's are already account wide so all you have to do is level to 50 and collect a few skyshards. It takes longer to get gear than to get to max level, especially if you're grinding. If you're not, you're walking right past them anyway.

I can't understand why someone would bother with a game when they don't seem to actually want to play it

PC player? On console, collecting skyshards becomes a matter of not simply playing the game - but going on to your laptop, tablet, or phone, finding a skyshard map someone else created - and ploddingly going through each zone looking back and forth between your external skyshard map and the in game terrain. It's literally a silly ass grind, that has almost nothing to do with "playing the game" - most especially if you've already done it on 3-4 characters.


Also - characters do come out of the starter zone fully leveled (shared CP) with potentially full gold BiS gear (it's in the bank)- since CP and gear can be shared account wide. The same should be true for skyshard skill points. At level 50 all skyshard skill points account wide should become available to use. Once you find a skyshard on one character it should disappear for all your alts as well. Characters under level 50 only get points for skyshards they find in game on that character - at level 50 all skyshard points should be shared -

Yadvo

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

Kay1 wrote: »

It's so funny to read this thread.

All of you must be using the addons who tells you where are all the skyshards and lorebooks are, on console it can take between 8-14h to get Mage Guild to 10 and all skyshards can take you a week or more while on PC I used to get mage guild 10 in 2h for a character level 40 that I was gonna use in BwB.


In console there's no addons to tell you when to dodge, to change gear every 2 sec, to grind skill points, lorebooks, dps, and I can keep going for 60 or more lines.

It shouldn't be account wide in my opinion, we should just be able to unlock their location when we first get one of them, per example if I get a lorebook it should show on my next character that in that place I can get a lorebook and same for the skyshards so the grind lovers will be happy and the people like OP who rather play tham grinding will be happy too because it will become easier.

Thanks for a great argument, that sure is a great point!

RedJoker

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Fake poll.

Bouldercleave

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Yadvo wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Seriously? That's 100+ skill points, not even counting the DLC zones. While you're about it, why not have characters come out of character creation fully levelled with full gold BiS gear.

CP's are already account wide so all you have to do is level to 50 and collect a few skyshards. It takes longer to get gear than to get to max level, especially if you're grinding. If you're not, you're walking right past them anyway.

I can't understand why someone would bother with a game when they don't seem to actually want to play it

Please keep it strictly to the subject, the "Why not have characters come out of character creation fully leveled/geared/(insert some other thing not subject to the discussion)" argument starts to be rather boring. FOCUS PEOPLE, FOCUS ON THE SKYSHARDS.

Ok, I'll keep it on point. No it is a terrible idea.

Yadvo

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

The Skillpoints themselves? No. Otherwise, why not go a step further and make all quest based skillpoints accessible to all your characters? You've already completed the quest on one. Though marking skyshards on your map if you've found them would be an interesting addition.

Once again someone going off point. This thread strictly covers skyshards. Nowhere is there a mention of skillpoints gained from the quests. Know the difference!

Tandor

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Totally dumb poll, which I suppose is appropriate from a player who's just looking to dumb the game down.

As someone who plays multiple characters by leveling them individually as equals rather than focusing on just a "main" plus instant alts for "dungeons and PvP" this move would turn me completely off the game.

Bouldercleave

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Yadvo wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Seriously? That's 100+ skill points, not even counting the DLC zones. While you're about it, why not have characters come out of character creation fully levelled with full gold BiS gear.

CP's are already account wide so all you have to do is level to 50 and collect a few skyshards. It takes longer to get gear than to get to max level, especially if you're grinding. If you're not, you're walking right past them anyway.

I can't understand why someone would bother with a game when they don't seem to actually want to play it

Please keep it strictly to the subject, the "Why not have characters come out of character creation fully leveled/geared/(insert some other thing not subject to the discussion)" argument starts to be rather boring. FOCUS PEOPLE, FOCUS ON THE SKYSHARDS.

Ok, I'll keep it on point. No it is a terrible idea.

And your arguments are?

My argument is simple. You should not create a character and have 133 skill points available from the skyshards. It's a totally stupid idea.

Yadvo

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Seriously? That's 100+ skill points, not even counting the DLC zones. While you're about it, why not have characters come out of character creation fully levelled with full gold BiS gear.

CP's are already account wide so all you have to do is level to 50 and collect a few skyshards. It takes longer to get gear than to get to max level, especially if you're grinding. If you're not, you're walking right past them anyway.

I can't understand why someone would bother with a game when they don't seem to actually want to play it

Please keep it strictly to the subject, the "Why not have characters come out of character creation fully leveled/geared/(insert some other thing not subject to the discussion)" argument starts to be rather boring. FOCUS PEOPLE, FOCUS ON THE SKYSHARDS.

Ok, I'll keep it on point. No it is a terrible idea.

And your arguments are?

My argument is simple. You should not create a character and have 133 skill points available from the skyshards. It's a totally stupid idea.

This would only be possible if you have invested enough time to collect them all on your previous character. Its not like those skillpoints appear from thin air, which you seem to imply.

idk

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Yadvo wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

The Skillpoints themselves? No. Otherwise, why not go a step further and make all quest based skillpoints accessible to all your characters? You've already completed the quest on one. Though marking skyshards on your map if you've found them would be an interesting addition.

Once again someone going off point. This thread strictly covers skyshards. Nowhere is there a mention of skillpoints gained from the quests. Know the difference!

Btw. The post you had just said was off point wasn't. You created a thread for discussion. Please don't go all KGB on the thread.

Bouldercleave

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Yadvo wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Seriously? That's 100+ skill points, not even counting the DLC zones. While you're about it, why not have characters come out of character creation fully levelled with full gold BiS gear.

CP's are already account wide so all you have to do is level to 50 and collect a few skyshards. It takes longer to get gear than to get to max level, especially if you're grinding. If you're not, you're walking right past them anyway.

I can't understand why someone would bother with a game when they don't seem to actually want to play it

Please keep it strictly to the subject, the "Why not have characters come out of character creation fully leveled/geared/(insert some other thing not subject to the discussion)" argument starts to be rather boring. FOCUS PEOPLE, FOCUS ON THE SKYSHARDS.

Ok, I'll keep it on point. No it is a terrible idea.

And your arguments are?

My argument is simple. You should not create a character and have 133 skill points available from the skyshards. It's a totally stupid idea.

This would only be possible if you have invested enough time to collect them all on your previous character. Its not like those skillpoints appear from thin air, which you seem to imply.

It's like talking to a wall.... You would be pulling them out of thin air for your new character that you have invested nothing in.

Reverb

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Because the "gimme gimme" grabby hands, lazy gamer stereotype has driven enough business decisions. Let's not go further down that rabbit hole.

ESO was designed around character based progression, not player based. The dye system and collectibles being shared are exceptions, as they don't impact the performance of a character.

Darlgon

No. And I refuse to grace your biased poll with a vote.

Theodard

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

I love love love wasting time gathering Lorebooks, Skyshards, skill point quests.... wait no I don't, but along the way you sort of learn how to play a class and decide if you like it or not. I've deleted a few that after a little while of doing that I realized that I did not enjoy that class at all.

Or you could think of it as a social event. Group up with a friend or a few and just go and gather them together. Chatting along the way, maybe doing some quests, or the odd world boss.

Yadvo

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

Reverb wrote: »

Because the "gimme gimme" grabby hands, lazy gamer stereotype has driven enough business decisions. Let's not go further down that rabbit hole.

ESO was designed around character based progression, not player based. The dye system and collectibles being shared are exceptions, as they don't impact the performance of a character.

Finally a meaningful argument.

Well, it is after all a buisness driven undertaking. As such, they should make pro consumer choices. The less element of pointless running around there is, the better.

Secondly, what is your reasoning behind stating that running around is actually progressing you as a character or a player? Does it make you better at the game? Does it improve the way you understand the game mechanics? Dont think so.

Only once you have collected all the skyshards will you be able to actually progress further with the character. This is just a barrier to your progression on your other characters, as you are unable to complete challenging and rewarding content!

F7sus4

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

No and the explanation provided for this answer is both narrow-minded and stupid.

Yadvo

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

F7sus4 wrote: »

No and the explanation provided for this answer is both narrow-minded and stupid.

That sure brings alot into the discussion! Keep up the good work.

lagrue

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Yadvo wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

No and the explanation provided for this answer is both narrow-minded and stupid.

That sure brings alot into the discussion! Keep up the good work.

Dude you started your discussion with bait - did you honestly expect rational opinions from either side?

Sigtric

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Yadvo wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

No and the explanation provided for this answer is both narrow-minded and stupid.

That sure brings alot into the discussion! Keep up the good work.

You keep asking for discussion but you are maintaining an attitude of "my answer is the only correct one"

It's fine to have a strong opinion but you need to open your small mindedness up a bit and realize not everyone wants the same thing you do.

Hippie4927

I'm not going to take part in this poll for two reasons:

1. The poll is biased

2. After reading all the comments, the OP sounds like a rude, spoiled child.

Yadvo

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

lagrue wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

No and the explanation provided for this answer is both narrow-minded and stupid.

That sure brings alot into the discussion! Keep up the good work.

Dude you started your discussion with bait - did you honestly expect rational opinions from either side?

What stops people from expressing rational opinions? Take @Reverb as an example, props to that guy as the only one so far able to stop his hurt feelings over a biased pole to take over.

I believe in you people

Reverb

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Yadvo wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Because the "gimme gimme" grabby hands, lazy gamer stereotype has driven enough business decisions. Let's not go further down that rabbit hole.

ESO was designed around character based progression, not player based. The dye system and collectibles being shared are exceptions, as they don't impact the performance of a character.

Finally a meaningful argument.

Well, it is after all a buisness driven undertaking. As such, they should make pro consumer choices. The less element of pointless running around there is, the better.

Secondly, what is your reasoning behind stating that running around is actually progressing you as a character or a player? Does it make you better at the game? Does it improve the way you understand the game mechanics? Dont think so.

Only once you have collected all the skyshards will you be able to actually progress further with the character. This is just a barrier to your progression on your other characters, as you are unable to complete challenging and rewarding content!

Your definition of "challenging and rewarding content" is yours alone. To you, skill point collection is in the way of progression. To many others, and seemingly to the game designers, exploring the huge, open world maps, interacting with the environment and NPCs, doing quests, completing achievements, and advancing skill lines organically (without mindless grinding) IS character progression.

Pro consumer choices do not mean catering to the loudest complainers, or even the majority. Anyone who stands by "the customer is always right" is blind to the number of business that fail in an attempt to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Koensol

What is it with this forum and biased polls...

theher0not

WarpigFunk wrote: »

Yes they should be shared account - wide - however, your skyshard skill points should only become available to you at level 50 (for alt characters who did not actively hunt them)

The benefits are that you only ever have to skyshard hunt once, and that when you hit level 50 you now have a nice skill point dump from previous character leveling.
The drawback is you do not have access to skyshards/ skyshard skillpoints while leveling a new character, until you hit max level.

One other consequence of doing this, is that you can get the Cyrodiil skyshards on three different alts, in three different factions in the relevant zones - so a Yellow alt wont need to hunt skyshards in the Red areas of Cyrodiil, as long as you have at least three different alts in three different factions.


If CP can be shared account wide, allowing you to have a level 3 character running around with 630 CP, then there is no legit reason that skyshard skill points shouldn't be shared account wide - as long as you don't have access to them until max level.


To clarify, prior to level 50 you only get "credit" on a given toon for skyshards you actually find in game on that toon. At level 50 you are then automatically given "credit" for all skyshards found by all characters on that account.

That seems like a fair compromise. +1 Awesome.

Absalon

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

[snip] Skyshards and achievments should be account wide.

[edited for baiting]

Sigtric

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Absalon wrote: »

Skyshards and achievments should be account wide.

Or people who actually enjoy playing the game and not treating every little thing like a chore?

[edited to remove quote]