Should colleted SKYSHARDS be available account wide?

Yadvo

Keep in mind the question is about skyshards, not skillpoints in general. This excludes skillpoints earned via quests, dungeons etc.

In my opinion:
1. Running around the map over and over again, just to have enough skillpoints to use unlock the basic required passives and skills is just insane. How is running increasing the players skill?
2. They introduce a barrier, preventing players from trying out other classes and understaning their pros and cons.
3. Making them accout-wide will still require obtaining skillpoints from other sources. But instead of repeating the boring, repetetive running with no impact on your skill, you could actually start doing dungeons, PvP. What is there no to love about the idea?

AzraelKrieg

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Biased poll is biased. No, they should not be account wide. Doing so would make the game easier and pointless.

DaveMoeDee

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

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And skill is irrelevant. Why not ask why they bother with voice acting when it doesn't increase skill.

This is an RPG. It is focused on character development. Yes, there are game modes that are focused on skill. But most of the content requires little skill and that is by design. It is primarily a world created for people to enjoy. People can spend days fishing.

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lagrue

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Clearly a biased poll but whatever, I'll take the bait.

I don't think they should be account wide - as it is now, people rush characters to 50 in under 8 hours - if they had all the skill points to go with it - people would literally max 1 character, then 2 weeks later have 10 more maxed characters in the roster.

However - I do think that when one char. collects a shard, it should unlock on the map for the account permanently - meaning other characters will know where to find them, easing the process but also not becoming full on handouts - because realistically I hate looking up ESO maps online to find them. (Yes I know you PC guys have addons for this, still would be a nice feature in base game.)

Yadvo

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Biased poll is biased. No, they should not be account wide. Doing so would make the game easier and pointless.

Ofcourse it makes the game easier, thats the whole point! Having 10 characters I find it really annyoing that I need to sacriface weeks (I dont play every day) just to get all the skyshards. Only then am I able to start actually playing the game.

How does it make the game easier? Is running around a challenge for you? LOL

Tulke

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

Skyshards and achievements should be available account wide once obtained.

Beardimus

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Biased poll, its not time wasting. There are MORE than enough skill points now to go round, and if you level properly the SP and shards come naturally. If you grind (dumb) then yes you make all other connected elements of the game.dumb, naturally.

Voxicity

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Could have just made a thread about it instead of a biased poll

Dreyloch

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Biased poll is biased. No, they should not be account wide. Doing so would make the game easier and pointless.

Tell me that when you've done it with 5+ toons. At the very least, subscribers should have the choice. Same with mount riding skills. After you've done all of them once, that's enough. You should never have to do it again. It's wasting everyone's time. The journey in this case does not improve the destination.

I say this with skyshards in mind only. Any other skill points through dungeons, harborage etc. should still be done.

AzraelKrieg

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Yadvo wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Biased poll is biased. No, they should not be account wide. Doing so would make the game easier and pointless.

Ofcourse it makes the game easier, thats the whole point! Having 10 characters I find it really annyoing that I need to sacriface weeks (I dont play every day) just to get all the skyshards. Only then am I able to start actually playing the game.

How does it make the game easier? Is running around a challenge for you? LOL

No, running around isn't a challenge for me. But it clearly is for you. I have 12 characters, 11 of them have either collected all or are in the process of collecting all skyshards. I wouldn't want to have that effort removed because it then removes the need for exploration and running through delves and dungeons to collect skyshards. The game is repeatedly getting dumbed down for people like you who don't want to put the effort in because it's too hard or too tedious.

Soella

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Sigh... I never get used to the fact that people don't even suspect that other can have different ideas about the fun in the game...

kylewwefan

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

Heck yeah! I'd like to start a new toon out with more skill points than skills!

Yadvo

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Biased poll is biased. No, they should not be account wide. Doing so would make the game easier and pointless.

Ofcourse it makes the game easier, thats the whole point! Having 10 characters I find it really annyoing that I need to sacriface weeks (I dont play every day) just to get all the skyshards. Only then am I able to start actually playing the game.

How does it make the game easier? Is running around a challenge for you? LOL

No, running around isn't a challenge for me. But it clearly is for you. I have 12 characters, 11 of them have either collected all or are in the process of collecting all skyshards. I wouldn't want to have that effort removed because it then removes the need for exploration and running through delves and dungeons to collect skyshards. The game is repeatedly getting dumbed down for people like you who don't want to put the effort in because it's too hard or too tedious.

How is fixing an issiue "dumbing down" the game?

What you are basicly saying is:
- someone told me to hit myself with a hammer
- i dont want the time i have spent hitting myself with a hammer go to waste
- other people should also hit themselves with a hammer
- not hitting myself with a hammer is not fun

STEVIL

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Voted No on policy

Op inserted BS baggage into poll options, perhaps because of lack of confidence in points attemtped to be made, perhaps because of any number of reasons... there fore i choose the option contrary to the Op wishes...

if Op just wants editorial and discussion - no need for poll with leading BS.

However, In fact i do disagree anyway because the argument is flawed. As observed the characters till benefit from travel and acquisition of quests and such for skills. Said travel leads them to skyshards which belies substantially the waste of time premise.

I would also observe that there are numerous options that can address the issue in other ways

1 - make skyshard **location** account-wide. As soon as any character collects a given shard, it is unlocked on the other character accounts. (This could be expanded to any number of other elements in game.)

2 - Allow shard-port much like travel to player for shards known but not collected. (In tandem with #1 this also helps.)

These would still relocate the character to the positions, opening up nearby locations and quest markers) thus giving you the benefits of the shards (being there) without as much time spent once they have been discovered.

There are just better options than "here its free now" given the way the game had been laid out so that one thing puts you close to another.

AzraelKrieg

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Yadvo wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Biased poll is biased. No, they should not be account wide. Doing so would make the game easier and pointless.

Ofcourse it makes the game easier, thats the whole point! Having 10 characters I find it really annyoing that I need to sacriface weeks (I dont play every day) just to get all the skyshards. Only then am I able to start actually playing the game.

How does it make the game easier? Is running around a challenge for you? LOL

No, running around isn't a challenge for me. But it clearly is for you. I have 12 characters, 11 of them have either collected all or are in the process of collecting all skyshards. I wouldn't want to have that effort removed because it then removes the need for exploration and running through delves and dungeons to collect skyshards. The game is repeatedly getting dumbed down for people like you who don't want to put the effort in because it's too hard or too tedious.

How is fixing an issiue "dumbing down" the game?

What you are basicly saying is:
- someone told me to hit myself with a hammer
- i dont want the time i have spent hitting myself with a hammer go to waste
- other people should also hit themselves with a hammer
- not hitting myself with a hammer makes my life harder

For one it's not an issue. How is going out of your way to explore somewhere and get a skyshard for the effort an issue? And how is someone telling you to hit yourself with hammer even remotely similar to collecting something in a damn video game? It seems you've already smacked yourself in the head with your aforementioned hammer because there is clearly some level of brain damage in your posts.

Taleof2Cities

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Another player that doesn't want to put in the time like the rest of us to make their character good.

ImmortalElf13

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

There are a few achievements that should be account wide but the hunt for skyshards (thus skill points) is character specific. Fishing on the other hand....

Yadvo

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Biased poll is biased. No, they should not be account wide. Doing so would make the game easier and pointless.

Ofcourse it makes the game easier, thats the whole point! Having 10 characters I find it really annyoing that I need to sacriface weeks (I dont play every day) just to get all the skyshards. Only then am I able to start actually playing the game.

How does it make the game easier? Is running around a challenge for you? LOL

No, running around isn't a challenge for me. But it clearly is for you. I have 12 characters, 11 of them have either collected all or are in the process of collecting all skyshards. I wouldn't want to have that effort removed because it then removes the need for exploration and running through delves and dungeons to collect skyshards. The game is repeatedly getting dumbed down for people like you who don't want to put the effort in because it's too hard or too tedious.

How is fixing an issiue "dumbing down" the game?

What you are basicly saying is:
- someone told me to hit myself with a hammer
- i dont want the time i have spent hitting myself with a hammer go to waste
- other people should also hit themselves with a hammer
- not hitting myself with a hammer is not fun

For one it's not an issue. How is going out of your way to explore somewhere and get a skyshard for the effort an issue? And how is someone telling you to hit yourself with hammer even remotely similar to collecting something in a damn video game? It seems you've already smacked yourself in the head with your aforementioned hammer because there is clearly some level of brain damage in your posts.

What prevents you from going out of your way to explore the game when the skyshards are accountwide? There still are quests to be completed. You sir completely miss the point. I tought the hammer metaphore would be understandable to a simpletone, clearly it is not. Lemme try again:

1. Nothing will prevent you from exploring the world,
2. There still is an incentive to go out there and explore,
3. The "I have already spent my time doing it, therefore other people should aswell" argument is not an argument. You know, people used to eat raw meat and stuff...
4. Your gaming experience is improved due to the possibility of spending more time perfecting the mechanics and not running around collecting stuff.

Uriel_Nocturne

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

I voted, but... I just really don't care.

At all.

HatchetHaro

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

I feel that it should be a choice for the player. Let them choose at character creation.

DMuehlhausen

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

It's not about a waste of time.

It's the same effect as flying mounts. Nobody would leave the cities. if everything is account wide then boom nobody leaves the city, nobody is out in the world, game feels dead to new players.

They aren't hard to collect specially if you have the add ons. Just jump on a mount, travel to guildies and get them all.

kargen27

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Dreyloch wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Biased poll is biased. No, they should not be account wide. Doing so would make the game easier and pointless.

Tell me that when you've done it with 5+ toons. At the very least, subscribers should have the choice. Same with mount riding skills. After you've done all of them once, that's enough. You should never have to do it again. It's wasting everyone's time. The journey in this case does not improve the destination.

I say this with skyshards in mind only. Any other skill points through dungeons, harborage etc. should still be done.

Done it on eight characters. Working up another now. I've never had a problem of lacking in skill points to apply as my character gains access to skills. Then again I don't just get carried through Skyreach without really playing or getting to know my character. If you want to play a new character then you should actually play it not just step in and already have everything done before you set foot in your first town.

WarpigFunk

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

Yes they should be shared account - wide - however, your skyshard skill points should only become available to you at level 50 (for alt characters who did not actively hunt them)

The benefits are that you only ever have to skyshard hunt once, and that when you hit level 50 you now have a nice skill point dump from previous character leveling.
The drawback is you do not have access to skyshards/ skyshard skillpoints while leveling a new character, until you hit max level.

One other consequence of doing this, is that you can get the Cyrodiil skyshards on three different alts, in three different factions in the relevant zones - so a Yellow alt wont need to hunt skyshards in the Red areas of Cyrodiil, as long as you have at least three different alts in three different factions.


If CP can be shared account wide, allowing you to have a level 3 character running around with 630 CP, then there is no legit reason that skyshard skill points shouldn't be shared account wide - as long as you don't have access to them until max level.


To clarify, prior to level 50 you only get "credit" on a given toon for skyshards you actually find in game on that toon. At level 50 you are then automatically given "credit" for all skyshards found by all characters on that account.

Animal_Mother

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Very few skyshards are in the middle of nowhere, so why not just pick them up while leveling. Ok, maybe a couple of the Cyrodil ones are hard to get to, but the rest are just there. How many people allocate all their skill points after leveling after maxing everything out? I'm only using about 2/3rds of my skill points on my main - to keep the constant cost of respeccing down.

NewBlacksmurf

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

As lazy as I'd like to be. Honestly no

It's the purpose of progression and choice expansion by gaining skill points through content.

Kay1

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

It's so funny to read this thread.

All of you must be using the addons who tells you where are all the skyshards and lorebooks are, on console it can take between 8-14h to get Mage Guild to 10 and all skyshards can take you a week or more while on PC I used to get mage guild 10 in 2h for a character level 40 that I was gonna use in BwB.


In console there's no addons to tell you when to dodge, to change gear every 2 sec, to grind skill points, lorebooks, dps, and I can keep going for 60 or more lines.

It shouldn't be account wide in my opinion, we should just be able to unlock their location when we first get one of them, per example if I get a lorebook it should show on my next character that in that place I can get a lorebook and same for the skyshards so the grind lovers will be happy and the people like OP who rather play tham grinding will be happy too because it will become easier.

Danksta

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

In biased poll I always pick the answer the OP didn't want me to pick.

Bouldercleave

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Kay1 wrote: »

It's so funny to read this thread.

All of you must be using the addons who tells you where are all the skyshards and lorebooks are, on console it can take between 8-14h to get Mage Guild to 10 and all skyshards can take you a week or more while on PC I used to get mage guild 10 in 2h for a character level 40 that I was gonna use in BwB.


In console there's no addons to tell you when to dodge, to change gear every 2 sec, to grind skill points, lorebooks, dps, and I can keep going for 60 or more lines.

It shouldn't be account wide in my opinion, we should just be able to unlock their location when we first get one of them, per example if I get a lorebook it should show on my next character that in that place I can get a lorebook and same for the skyshards so the grind lovers will be happy and the people like OP who rather play tham grinding will be happy too because it will become easier.

It can take you a whole 8-14 hours to max an entire skill line? The absolute HORROR!

lillybit

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

Seriously? That's 100+ skill points, not even counting the DLC zones. While you're about it, why not have characters come out of character creation fully levelled with full gold BiS gear.

CP's are already account wide so all you have to do is level to 50 and collect a few skyshards. It takes longer to get gear than to get to max level, especially if you're grinding. If you're not, you're walking right past them anyway.

I can't understand why someone would bother with a game when they don't seem to actually want to play it

Yadvo

Yes, skyshards should be available account wide once obtained.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

As lazy as I'd like to be. Honestly no

It's the purpose of progression and choice expansion by gaining skill points through content.

It's a regressive task mate. Collecting shards doesn't progress your skill. It's a pointless time sink on your other characters

Avran_Sylt

No, I like to waste the time I have to play games and have fun on things that make no sense.

The Skillpoints themselves? No. Otherwise, why not go a step further and make all quest based skillpoints accessible to all your characters? You've already completed the quest on one. Though marking skyshards on your map if you've found them would be an interesting addition.