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Lich set is bugged.
Ankael07
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If youre on offensive bar (when lich is not 5 pieces) and you weapon swap to lich staff while your magicka is below 30% it doesnt activate the magicka recovery bonus.
You have to actually spend magicka again (while on lich bar) to trigger the bonus.
You have to actually spend magicka again (while on lich bar) to trigger the bonus.
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✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno May I have someones attention here?If you want me to reply to your comment type @Ankael07 in it.3 -
Tawrich✭✭✭I've also encountered this, thought its how its supposed to work but item description doesn't say that u have to spend magicka, meaning its a possible bug, which is reducing the effectiveness of lich by a ton. Needs to be fixed!1 -
Lore_lai✭✭✭✭✭It's a tooltip bug. From https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/358541/pts-patch-notes-v3-1-0ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »[*]Shroud of the Lich: Updated this Item Set’s tooltip to more clearly indicate its proc condition.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭As Tawrich said. You´ve to spend magicka while under the threshold to proc it. If this is intended or not I can´t say. But if it is the tooltip needs to be changed.0 -
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✭✭It's a tooltip bug. From https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/358541/pts-patch-notes-v3-1-0ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »[*]Shroud of the Lich: Updated this Item Set’s tooltip to more clearly indicate its proc condition.
The way this proc works was changed some time ago and now they're saying ''updated the tooltip'' in this patch. Idk why they would change the proc condition and not openly mention it at all.Edited by Ankael07 on July 29, 2017 11:30PMIf you want me to reply to your comment type @Ankael07 in it.0 -
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✭✭✭It's a tooltip bug. From https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/358541/pts-patch-notes-v3-1-0ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »[*]Shroud of the Lich: Updated this Item Set’s tooltip to more clearly indicate its proc condition.
The way this proc works was changed some time ago and now they're saying ''updated the tooltip'' in this patch. Idk why they would change the proc condition and not openly mention it at all.
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✭pls tell us about something working properly.......
wait, I know something: cooking, you always get what you are boiling!0 -
Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭Also if you're not in combat and proc Lich it doesnt give bonus regen. Is that normalbor a bug?0 -
Tawrich✭✭✭This is a big nerf actually, lich was already barely enough sustain compared to sets like seducer, it was good cuz u could 1 bar it but, if u now have to actually use an ability on that bar to proc it, in theory it might not seem like a big deal but in practice its just horrible.
Lets say u are a sorc, u are at 33% magicka and u back bar to proc it to get 1K recovery. Oops u have to cast something, I dont think u can find anything that is cheaper than 3K on ur back bar, lets also be kind and say % amps bring the 1K recovery of lich all the way up to 1.5K, in this condition, it would take 4 seconds for lich to bring u back to where u procced it since recovery ticks every 2 seconds.
U might argue % amps might bring it higher or u can put something cheaper on ur back bar, but if thats the case, u also have to realize that I was being kind and didn't consider that in practice when u proc ur lich on back bar, u are usually under pressure and need to spam defensive abilities.
So yep, 4 sec delay nerf I guess... wasn't needed.1 -
Anrose✭✭✭✭✭Also if you're not in combat and proc Lich it doesnt give bonus regen. Is that normalbor a bug?
That's normal. Your in-combat and out-of-combat regen stats are different.
I'm not good with the maths, but it seems like out-of-combat regen is generally high, but once your in-combat regen gets to a certain point, your out-of-combat regen diminishes.
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budrow✭✭✭I tried this test last night and nightmare has a YouTube video explaining this bug. So, I have lich, shacklebreaker and a monster helm on both bars.
My regen unbuffed and without the lich proc is about 2100. When I streak until I'm out of magicka. My character sheet shows the lich proc with regen at around 3300 or so, however, while watching my magicka regen out of menu, it's only going up at pace of about 2100 not 3400 each tic. Is this broke, can someon confirm or explain?Edited by budrow on August 8, 2017 11:31PMl PaleAle l0 -
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✭✭Lich was definitely changed during morrowind update without notice. And now we get an updated tooltip for the new conditions.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Can we get some insight into this.
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✭✭If youre on offensive bar (when lich is not 5 pieces) and you weapon swap to lich staff while your magicka is below 30% it doesnt activate the magicka recovery bonus.
You have to actually spend magicka again (while on lich bar) to trigger the bonus.
This is the exact change. You never had to spend magic with the 5pc bonus active. Now you do.
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✭✭If youre on offensive bar (when lich is not 5 pieces) and you weapon swap to lich staff while your magicka is below 30% it doesnt activate the magicka recovery bonus.
You have to actually spend magicka again (while on lich bar) to trigger the bonus.
This is the exact change. You never had to spend magic with the 5pc bonus active. Now you do.
I mean if they're going to force stave, bow and two handed users to have 1 piece fewer item slot then they need to make it easy for us to activate 5 piece bonuses on the backbar. Instead, they're making sneaky changes no one even asked for.Edited by Ankael07 on August 9, 2017 1:07AMIf you want me to reply to your comment type @Ankael07 in it.2 -
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✭✭Can anyone post the new updated "conditions" as they are on PTS. Don't want this to go on for 8 months without it being acknowledged.0 -
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✭✭✭Lich was definitely changed during morrowind update without notice. And now we get an updated tooltip for the new conditions.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Can we get some insight into this.
Clarification would be great!
Why was the functionality of this set reduced in the first place? I guess I missed all those nerf lich threads...
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Anrose✭✭✭✭✭I tried this test last night and nightmare has a YouTube video explaining this bug. So, I have lich, shacklebreaker and a monster helm on both bars.
My regen unbuffed and without the lich proc is about 2100. When I streak until I'm out of magicka. My character sheet shows the lich proc with regen at around 3300 or so, however, while watching my magicka regen out of menu, it's only going up at pace of about 2100 not 3400 each tic. Is this broke, can someon confirm or explain?
Are you in combat or out of combat? Your regen stat on your character sheet is your in-combat regen. Your out-of-combat regen will be significantly different. You can download Harven's Extended Stats to see your Idle Regen, or out-of-combat. If you're on, PC.0 -
budrow✭✭✭I know regen is different in and out of combat. My point is that what the character screen is showing does not match up to the regen rate of my magicka pool as I observe outside of menu. Each tic I can do the math to realize it's not working as intended.
Last night in combat when lich proc'd I can see in the character screen that the bonus is there, however, when I look at my magicka pool outside of menu it only regen at the non lich proc rate which is around 2400 from combat. The character screen showed lich bonus in combat up to like 4200 last night. I wish it actually recovered at the rate. I've been losing magicka way to fast all the time in CP cyro lately.Edited by budrow on August 9, 2017 4:20PMl PaleAle l1 -
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✭✭✭That blows if so. Haven't tried Lich since Morrowind but it was a great offbar option, why thar nerf? Also if what you guys are saying is true something is definitely bugged even if there was a change intended. If it doesn't automatically give you regen then it shouldn't get listed on your character sheet either...do you also get the animation BUT no actual magicka return?
I'll have to test this later.0 -
Reorx_Holybeard✭✭✭✭✭Current Version:(5 items) When you fall below 33% Magicka increase your Magicka Recovery by 12-1032 for 20 seconds. This effect can occur once every 1 minute.
Update 15 Version:(5 items) When you cast an ability while under 33% Magicka, your Magicka Recovery is increased by 12-1032 for 20 seconds. This effect can occur once every 1 minute.
As others have mentioned, the regen you see in your character screen is always the combat regen. Out of combat regen is a "hidden" stat and is not normally visible. Lich seems to only affect the combat regen which is why you don't see the effect when testing it out of combat.
Edited by Reorx_Holybeard on August 9, 2017 9:34PMReorx Holybeard -- NA/PC
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✭✭Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »Current Version:(5 items) When you fall below 33% Magicka increase your Magicka Recovery by 12-1032 for 20 seconds. This effect can occur once every 1 minute.
Update 15 Version:(5 items) When you cast an ability while under 33% Magicka, your Magicka Recovery is increased by 12-1032 for 20 seconds. This effect can occur once every 1 minute.
As others have mentioned, the regen you see in your character screen is always the combat regen. Out of combat regen is a "hidden" stat and is not normally visible. Lich seems to only affect the combat regen which is why you don't see the effect when testing it out of combat.
Thank you very much.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Can you look into this. At some point in time this set was changed without patch notes. Now your updating the tooltip for a set that was changed.
Pre Morrowind YOU DID NOT HAVE TO CAST AN ABILITY. Why did this change?1 -
budrow✭✭✭I'm gonna try and get video tonightEdited by budrow on August 9, 2017 9:50PMl PaleAle l0
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✭✭In combat last night, character screen listed magicka regen over 4200 after lich proc'd. What's wrong is that my magicka pool is not recovering at that listed rate, but only recovering at the unbuffed rate.
Got a video uploading now. Shows lich in and out of combat. The actual regen in combat seems fine to me. Out of combat the stat sheet updates but doesn't work.0 -
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https://youtu.be/SxhiSFZbZgA
Out of combat at :30 with 3668 regen only getting 1470. From 21k-22.7k
In Combat at 2:10 with 3668 regen getting 3668 regen. From 24.1k-27.8k. Working but not quite.0