Trials

Fuz

Please put trials and DA in the dungeon finder.
That is all. Thank you.

Mojmir

Fuz wrote: »

Please put trials and DA in the dungeon finder.
That is all. Thank you.

Hell no, group finder is broken af

Fuz

Mojmir wrote: »

Fuz wrote: »

Please put trials and DA in the dungeon finder.
That is all. Thank you.

Hell no, group finder is broken af

And you could still spam "LFG" in /z

paulsimonps

Fuz wrote: »

Please put trials and DA in the dungeon finder.
That is all. Thank you.

And have all the extremely failed pugs cry for nerfs? Please no.

Fuz

Oh look, elitists.


Please also add Dragonstar Arena and the Skyreach instances, it's impossible to find a group for those we need every group activity on the dungon finder.

Shanjijri

Fuz wrote: »

Please also add Dragonstar Arena and the Skyreach instances, it's impossible to find a group for those we need every group activity on the dungon finder.

It's possible for DSA. Just ask in zone chat. I farmed it like that. But I'm not against DSA in groupfinder... I'm just afraid the same thing happens when I look with the groupfinder for vWGT: wipe and wipe.

Drummerx04

Fuz wrote: »

Oh look, elitists.


Please also add Dragonstar Arena and the Skyreach instances, it's impossible to find a group for those we need every group activity on the dungon finder.

Oh look, another player who probably can't understand why group finder trials would be a bad idea.

Both the queue times and resulting groups would be straight garbage. Maybe normal crag trials would work out fine as those are pretty basic mechanically and they have some decent drops.

But vet trials/vDSA would be an absolute sh*tshow for 90% of GF groups. These are group instances that take average guilds around an hour or more to complete if they can finish at all, and you want to throw 12 random people who have possibly never worked together or been in a vet trial before into a group?

Let me put it another way, the vast majority of players that can complete vet Trials did it with their guilds, and their guild groups will generally run several times a week... why would they queue up for a random vet trials with random people? There's literally nothing in it for them, so the only people in vet queues would be those without a guild or those without experience.

Flaminir

Normal level is a possibility... Vet versions hells no!!!

Fuz

Then shall they remove vet DLC dungeons too? Since, you know, I never found a DF group able to do it.

As for DSA, I've been trying for weeks with no luck AT ALL. Not to mention the skyreach content... you only find a partner for farming the first part. I'd like to be able to see and play ALL the content, constantly and not once in a full moon.

Shanjijri

Edit: I will ask in game. ^^

Fang_of_Lorkhaj

This is an absolutely horrid idea lol

Voxicity

Fuz wrote: »

Then shall they remove vet DLC dungeons too? Since, you know, I never found a DF group able to do it.

As for DSA, I've been trying for weeks with no luck AT ALL. Not to mention the skyreach content... you only find a partner for farming the first part. I'd like to be able to see and play ALL the content, constantly and not once in a full moon.

You have never found a group finder group able to do vet DLC dungeons?

me_ming

OP you are obviously someone who has not been to a vet trial before. vTrials (and even vDSA) needs a cohesive group. You need people to be in Discord or TS or whatnot for you to actually complete these trials. You don't go into the trials typing the mechanics, unless you just want to waste your resources (pots/gold/food/gems/time).

Rinmaethodain

Adding trials to group finder will be death of end game raiding. ZOS will be flooded with fake feedback "trials too difficult, cant finish, such hard" from people who click get into groups full of DPS pretending to be tank/healers and then act all suprised why they kept wiping on first boss for 1 hour until someone assumed role of leader, watched 5 minute boss video "how to kill" and after that... half of group already quit because "i wanted to do trial, not learn things, chill mates its just a game not school". After that, nerfs will start rolling in because "that's the feedback we get".
Trials are meant to be for organised groups, even if by organised I mean just 3 core players who know how to run whole trial. Because thats what Crag pug trial runs are about, it takes strong tank (who doesent nessesary need to know mechanics), one person who knows trial (preferably is one of three), a strong DPS who will "carry" rest of group and competent healer. After that rest of players can be pugs.
If you cant shot that kind of even slightest commitement OP, to join a guild and train there or form your own group.

Not to mention, im curious what do you expect that will happen when trials get added to group finder? Just that will magically fill group finder with trial capable players who will finish trials with 12 random players (of not necessary role they declare to be)? It will turn from "cant find trial group" into "wasted X hours in trial".

Axaron

There's an elephant in the room named World of Warcraft. LFR was a very unwise design decision, sparing you all pages of elaboration: it just bred frustration, presented neutered content, gave people reasons to be antisocial, and proliferated toxicity. I'm sure ZoS has their reasons for not adding a similar system for their large group content.

Malpeczka

Fuz wrote: »

Oh look, elitists.


Please also add Dragonstar Arena and the Skyreach instances, it's impossible to find a group for those we need every group activity on the dungon finder.

Man, If you have problem with find someone for Skyreach or vDSA probably you are a some kind a new player so what I can propouse you is, join to any guild (You can easy find it if you spam op /z) ask ppl for help if no one replay join to another and ask again. If you are less than 300cp you need to grind it to 300 and after it ask again. You can also do normal Dragonstar for training to got a tactic if you are think you are good you can do dragonstar on normal alone wihout group. The queue for trials is usless because in much trials (on vet) you need good group and voice comunication + raid leader is not that easy as you think. If you need make normal trials just join to guild whitch make it easy.

Fuz

Axaron wrote: »

There's an elephant in the room named World of Warcraft.

You mean, the most played MMO ever?
Thanks for proving my point.

@Malpeczka I'm not a new player. I got 5 trade guilds and I've done all nTrials.
Still, content should be readily available to anyone. Wanna keep raiding without using DF? GREAT! You can still do it if the content is added to the DF.

Ulfgarde

Pls no LFR.

This game already has bad / non-existent guild progression. Don't make it worse.

Betsararie

The players are too big of incompetents for trials

Svenja

After my latest "random Veteran Dungeon" experience, where the group damage was 23k, with me(healer) doing 30% of that (only with Shards, Heavy attacks and Elemental Blockade..), I am pretty sure NOTHING could possibly go wrong on dps-check-bosses like Varlariel or Zhaj'hassa with a random pug group.


Prepare for Frustration.

Malpeczka

Fuz wrote: »

Axaron wrote: »

There's an elephant in the room named World of Warcraft.

You mean, the most played MMO ever?
Thanks for proving my point.

@Malpeczka I'm not a new player. I got 5 trade guilds and I've done all nTrials.
Still, content should be readily available to anyone. Wanna keep raiding without using DF? GREAT! You can still do it if the content is added to the DF.

Im on progress guild and I dont gave problems with find someone for trials

Cnedra

Group finder for normal trials? Ok! Great!
Group finder for vet trials? .......no
Why? Because vet trials need experience and coordination. If you want to do them, join a casual game raiding guild. You'll have better chance at succeeding and have more fun. And even if you fail you will all learn and can attempt again later on with the same people so you aren't starting from scratch.

S1ipperyJim

I think this could work if there was some sort of basic requirement, sort of like an undaunted invitation that unlocks vet trials as a new undaunted daily. The undaunted invitation would be unlocked after completing all vet dungeons on hard mode, at least then you know they know the basics of their role.

In my experience having joined zone chat vet trial groups, some vet trials can be completed with a PUG but other times you can spend 5 frustrating hours failing because people don't understand their role, gear, mechanics, supplies etc or simply lack skill at their role

LiquidPony

I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be a Trials activity finder. If people want to subject themselves to that, why not?

But ... that's probably why there isn't an activity finder for Trials. It would be a bad experience for most players that would ultimately, IMO, turn them off of Trials altogether.

But I'd like to see it anyway. I'd love to PUG some Trials, recruit players to my guild, or just help people get through their first raid.

I don't use the activity finder often, but when I do, my favorite thing is to get a group full of low-level players. There's nothing more gratifying than helping people do a difficult task, IMO. I PUGed Imperial City Prison (on normal) with 3 sub-50 players last weekend and had a ton of fun. It was a struggle, tank couldn't hold aggro, healer was clueless, and the other DPS was just spamming bow light attacks ... but still. I taught them the mechanics and gave them some pointers and we got through it, and now they'll be able to pay that forward to the next guy.

I've been raiding for a long time, but recently we formed up a new group, and after a few days working at it got a no-death/speed run in vAA. A few of the people in the group had pulled off those achievements a long time ago, but 7 or 8 of the people in group hadn't. They were so excited. It was really cool to be a part of that.

So ... yeah. I'd love to get a Trials activity finder ... and then leaderboards for dungeons!

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

LiquidPony wrote: »

I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be a Trials activity finder. If people want to subject themselves to that, why not?

But ... that's probably why there isn't an activity finder for Trials. It would be a bad experience for most players that would ultimately, IMO, turn them off of Trials altogether.

But I'd like to see it anyway. I'd love to PUG some Trials, recruit players to my guild, or just help people get through their first raid.

I don't use the activity finder often, but when I do, my favorite thing is to get a group full of low-level players. There's nothing more gratifying than helping people do a difficult task, IMO. I PUGed Imperial City Prison (on normal) with 3 sub-50 players last weekend and had a ton of fun. It was a struggle, tank couldn't hold aggro, healer was clueless, and the other DPS was just spamming bow light attacks ... but still. I taught them the mechanics and gave them some pointers and we got through it, and now they'll be able to pay that forward to the next guy.

I've been raiding for a long time, but recently we formed up a new group, and after a few days working at it got a no-death/speed run in vAA. A few of the people in the group had pulled off those achievements a long time ago, but 7 or 8 of the people in group hadn't. They were so excited. It was really cool to be a part of that.

So ... yeah. I'd love to get a Trials activity finder ... and then leaderboards for dungeons!

Nice comment dude, if only more people in ESO shared such a positive mindset.

Drummerx04

Fuz wrote: »

Then shall they remove vet DLC dungeons too? Since, you know, I never found a DF group able to do it.

As for DSA, I've been trying for weeks with no luck AT ALL. Not to mention the skyreach content... you only find a partner for farming the first part. I'd like to be able to see and play ALL the content, constantly and not once in a full moon.

Honestly, they SHOULD remove the DLC dungeons at least from the random dungeon queue. They are all but impossible to solo, and some people really just lack the experience or skill (or a disabled gamer only able to play with one finger and eye tracking software, but I digress) to complete them even on normal.

For instance, If I get sapped by Na-kesh and the group doesn't heal me, or show me which statue to attack, can't dps the totem down on their own, and can't control the adds... then there's nothing I, or anyone else can do in that situation, so I would leave having wasted half an hour or more dragging them through up to that point.

And the fun part is, as a good dps it can be very hard to tell when your group isn't going to be able to pull their weight. I've blasted through places like viCP, burning the flesh sculptor and atros so hard that the group doesn't even throw poison grenades because there's no point, one shot all other bosses with no deaths... then reach Lord Warden, and the others are falling into portals early, get killed by the gun, can't hold the boss even remotely still for dps, can't make it to the portals to escape one shot, steal all the portals so I can't use them either... just a total crap show.

Could I make a build to solo Lord Warden? Yeah, but I don't go into 4 man content with that build because it's a horrible waste of time.

Group finder vet trials would be like this to such a horrifying degree that vet trials would be even further stigmatized by the general community as unbeatable. Also, imagine taking 2 hours to get to the mage in a GF vAA... then one of your puglets activates hard mode. Well guess what, you aren't finishing the trial any more.

I see what you want, and I know why you want it. I'm telling you though, you really don't want it. It's not worth it.