Why is (almost) eveyone throwing Sorcs under the bus?

Izaki

Am I late with the popcorn?

Kali_Despoine

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Am I late with the popcorn?

no well maybe a little

Stamden

Because anyone that takes PvP seriously knows that they are by far the best all around PvP setup in the game. The damage is insane. Shields are broken as hell. The utility and mobility are unmatched. They have everything. There is no reason to play anything but Mag Sorc.

But let's say you want to be edgy. Let's say you want to play the second best setup in the game. What do you play? You play Stam Sorc. Purely because Dark Deal is broken. On top of this, you get Hurricane and the best passives in the game. Stam Sorc will always be the best stamina setup in the game. So even when you're not a Mag Sorc meta-slave, you are still a Sorc.

Either way, you end up with the same, overtuned class.

Sosderosii

Sorcs are OP so why not buff everything else including mobs instead of nerfing sorcs.

leepalmer95

Sosderosii wrote: »

Sorcs are OP so why not buff everything else including mobs instead of nerfing sorcs.

Sorc have high dps because of pets which is being nerfed.

Thats it, nothing else OP about them, shields aren't strong in non cp considering zos balanced them for cp.

darthsithis

Because they forget:

-shields help us resurrect players more easily so that healers can heal whats needed to avoid a wipe. ranged dps should resurrect anyways, why make it tougher for them to get you up?

-ESO adapts, so must we. right now sorcs are great at sustained, massive dps. People forget that stam characters with vMA weapons absolutely melt when stacking dots though, and often help with trial adds that cause big trouble

-wards can be used to pop mines/bubbles in vAA last boss, or orbs when fighting velidreth. People don't like that you have wards but yell at you when you don't pop the bubblesmines.

-we all put 75 into thaumaturge for bonus damage to off-balance enemies, and this stacks with damage bonus given by concussion perk. This stacks with lightning damage buff. All of our good stuff is lightning. Like liquid lightning. lightning wall. lightning ulti. pulse gets the bonus. weaving on lightning bar. lightning heavy attack. Ilambris. simply taking advantage of cp and passives gives us an edge that makes it look like its cheap or easy

-people forget that 90% of sorcs dont put out 55-60k dps on target skeletons, and assume for some reason that crystal frags is the main reason for that (read above for why that happens)

-scamp based off max magicka, which we can stack so high that it is admittedly kinda broken. Also the 75 in thaumaturge affects the above stuff and the scamp and the daedric prey that gives the scamp 55% more damage.

-people miss when stam was king

-they think knowing your class so well that you never die and put out crazy damage is just shield stacking and letting the scamp solo Rakkhat

-because some jerks eye of storm bomb with 17 people to kill like 2 guys who are stunned by the aforementioned imp

-because stamsorcs reigned supreme and made flawless conqueror seem like a pre-one-tamriel auridon world boss

-because NO ONE WANTED PETS TO ACTUALLY BE GOOD, LET ALONE CONTRIBUTE TO SUCH HIGH DPS

-people associate range with lame.

-they forget that vMA leaderboards are still demonstrating stamsorcs consistently scoring higher, but are angry because we have a ward

and lastly,

because pull crazy high (the highest) dps for now. It'll be fine, we survived 22 second to 6 second shield nerf, streak cost, power surge HoT reduction, years of useless pets, having so many toggles, and no spammable. Just let us enjoy it for the next 3 weeks until that 71k stam warden comes along and bsw gets nerfed with pets and infal and frags and recovery and...dark deal...?

All in good fun of course! You love us we love you!

~Turbo

Kali_Despoine

If anyone would take PvP seriously then they would
1: create a PvP cp tree only used in PvP
2: not nerf healing and some other skills just in PvP
3: come out with PvP gear that cannot be used in PvE
4: make PvE gear useless in PvP
5:-10: Fix PvP lag, unending loading screens so on and on

If the dev's actually knew what they are doing in the PvP server then PvP could be fun.
Did the removal of the Deer help? no
did the removal of CP help? no
Has any thing they did in game ever help you not get killed within seconds? no
But for some reason you think that Sorcs are to blame for your short comings.

I play a sorc in PvP and I too get killed, a lot. But you don't see me cry nerf this or that do you? no you don't

Sosderosii wrote: »

Sorcs are OP so why not buff everything else including mobs instead of nerfing sorcs.

Yes please buff the mobs too. Even my nightblade kills them in no time flat. If you've ever grind Skyreach or seen a video on it you would know that all classes can do this and the mob pulls are huge. Yet nobody dies. Why is that? because watered down content is watered down.
Now try it on vet.

Darlgon

Because they can streak right out from under it, you silly goose.

Tryxus

There are busses in Tamriel?

Kali_Despoine

Darlgon wrote: »

Because they can streak right out from under it, you silly goose.

I see whet you did there

darthsithis

Darlgon wrote: »

Because they can streak right out from under it, you silly goose.

they get thrown under the bus a lot and streak cost increases 150% if cast again within 5 seconds though, so who knows if they can escape this one

FearlessOne_2014

darthsithis wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

Because they can streak right out from under it, you silly goose.

they get thrown under the bus a lot and streak cost increases 150% if cast again within 5 seconds though, so who knows if they can escape this one

Yet all of the gap closers in the game have no cost increase to balance this point out. Spammable killing gap closers ok. Sorcerers just trying to catches some air is not, right?

Father_X_Zombie

Darlgon wrote: »

Because they can streak right out from under it, you silly goose.

Then the streak bug happens

waterfairy

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Buffs are not the answer
If every class could twiddle their toes and do 60k dps, the speed of all completions would rise instantly.

So do we just buff for balance until every player character can look at something and delete it with their mind?

Put everyone on par (or close to it) for overland questing and normal mode dungeons/trials. Have nerfs/debuffs applied to groups upon entering veteran dungeons, greater nerfs for vet trails and in pvp (calculated by number of friendly players in an area vs enemy players). Questing and normal stuff would be left alone and pvp/ end game challenging content would be adjusted accordingly. Seems like a win for everyone except zos wouldn't want to program all that to please us.

Blud

I'm not saying to nerf sorcs, but I was shocked at how much better I did in Cyrodiil on my mag sorc (wearing all divines) which I hardly ever pvp with. I was just spamming a few abilities, shield stacking, and streaking when necessary. I did far far better than on any of my other classes according to low number of deaths, high number of kills and killing blows.

KochDerDamonen

Vigarr wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Buffs are not the answer
If every class could twiddle their toes and do 60k dps, the speed of all completions would rise instantly.

So do we just buff for balance until every player character can look at something and delete it with their mind?

Put everyone on par (or close to it) for overland questing and normal mode dungeons/trials. Have nerfs/debuffs applied to groups upon entering veteran dungeons, greater nerfs for vet trails and in pvp (calculated by number of friendly players in an area vs enemy players). Questing and normal stuff would be left alone and pvp/ end game challenging content would be adjusted accordingly. Seems like a win for everyone except zos wouldn't want to program all that to please us.

@Vigarr ...buff every class and design a scaling battle spirit system for each level of instanced content(which would make all players feel nerfed), instead of nerfing one class?

Have you ever heard "Work smarter, not harder" before?

Fodore

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Buffs are not the answer
If every class could twiddle their toes and do 60k dps, the speed of all completions would rise instantly.

So do we just buff for balance until every player character can look at something and delete it with their mind?

You buff all classes so that an instant cast attack does 15k damage non crit you silly willy! God, some people these days...

waterfairy

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Buffs are not the answer
If every class could twiddle their toes and do 60k dps, the speed of all completions would rise instantly.

So do we just buff for balance until every player character can look at something and delete it with their mind?

Put everyone on par (or close to it) for overland questing and normal mode dungeons/trials. Have nerfs/debuffs applied to groups upon entering veteran dungeons, greater nerfs for vet trails and in pvp (calculated by number of friendly players in an area vs enemy players). Questing and normal stuff would be left alone and pvp/ end game challenging content would be adjusted accordingly. Seems like a win for everyone except zos wouldn't want to program all that to please us.

@Vigarr ...buff every class and design a scaling battle spirit system for each level of instanced content(which would make all players feel nerfed), instead of nerfing one class?

Have you ever heard "Work smarter, not harder" before?

I'm talking about the big pic here, not just dealing with the top dog of the moment

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Cyn_v84 wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Cyn_v84 wrote: »

Drama incoming. I'm taking a subscription on this thread

@Cyn_v84
That'll be $39.99 please.

Do I get acces to al DLC for that price too?

Yes, but you'll have to buy the "chapters" , that'll be another $39.99 please

kadar

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

I'm very confused about this nerf sorcs mentality.
I would think you would want your favorite class buffed to sorc status.
Do you like doing sub par damage so much you think everyone needs it?
How about more "Buff Us Like a Sorc" thread instead?
There is no need to be jelly.
Get off the Nerf Bus and get on the Buffed Like a Sorc Train.

When there is 1 thing that is stronger than all other things in every type of content, you tone down that 1 thing's power level. You do not change every other thing when all you need to do is change 1 thing.

TequilaFire

Just stand at the back of the zerg and spam Zeus Lightning!
Just poking on the behalf of Geezus Beam.

Kram8ion

Woah slow down I'll have to microwave my popcorn cos I'm at work

But you could have just not used the "N" word

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Neighbor wrote: »

Because anyone that takes PvP seriously knows that they are by far the best all around PvP setup in the game. The damage is insane. Shields are broken as hell. The utility and mobility are unmatched. They have everything. There is no reason to play anything but Mag Sorc.

But let's say you want to be edgy. Let's say you want to play the second best setup in the game. What do you play? You play Stam Sorc. Purely because Dark Deal is broken. On top of this, you get Hurricane and the best passives in the game. Stam Sorc will always be the best stamina setup in the game. So even when you're not a Mag Sorc meta-slave, you are still a Sorc.

Either way, you end up with the same, overtuned class.

This is not true.
Current patch a stam dk can beat a stam sorc and is king of stam in PVP.

L2P

LegacyDM

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Libonotus wrote: »

It just people moaning because Sorcs shield stack when it's literally so easy to counter a shield stacking sorc. All you have to do is interrupt them or CC them when they try to cast a shield and the cast fails

Don't forget Shield Breaker. Which completely shut down a sorc.

However watching forums is entertaining as I wait in queue for my competitive PvP matches in Smite. Two monitors equals GG.

Stay Frosty Guys!

Don't worry I'll be on ESO later on tonight.

So we gotta sacrifice an entire 5 piece armor slots to shut down 1 class? What about magicka classes that don't even benefit from the 4 piece bonuses and the fact that it is medium. Yeah um no.

Viva la mageblade buff it to match sorcs! But only my mageblade!

templesus

LOL! Zenimax?!?! Buff?!?! What game are you playing??
Zenimax only knows nerf, and because of that sorc needs to be nerfed into oblivion for the other classes to be on par with them.