Why is (almost) eveyone throwing Sorcs under the bus?

Kali_Despoine

I'm very confused about this nerf sorcs mentality.
I would think you would want your favorite class buffed to sorc status.
Do you like doing sub par damage so much you think everyone needs it?
How about more "Buff Us Like a Sorc" thread instead?
There is no need to be jelly.
Get off the Nerf Bus and get on the Buffed Like a Sorc Train.

Waffennacht

Oh no, you gone and done said it.

Duck and Cover!

Sneaky-Snurr

Incoming attacks! Quick! Get some cover!!111!11one1!

leepalmer95

Oh here we go.

All the nerf sorc forum warriors and going to swarm here and give 0 reason why sorc's should be nerfed.

*Opens Popcorn*

KochDerDamonen

Buffs are not the answer
If every class could twiddle their toes and do 60k dps, the speed of all completions would rise instantly.

So do we just buff for balance until every player character can look at something and delete it with their mind?

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

You're right, I'm no expert in MMOs strategy but I heard it's best to buff things to equal standing rather than nerf everything to crap.

Cyn_v84

Drama incoming. I'm taking a subscription on this thread

gediv2

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Buffs are not the answer
If every class could twiddle their toes and do 60k dps, the speed of all completions would rise instantly.

So do we just buff for balance until every player character can look at something and delete it with their mind?

Thread won. Safe to lock now mods.

Sneaky-Snurr

Cyn_v84 wrote: »

Drama incoming. I'm taking a subscription on this thread

@Cyn_v84
That'll be $39.99 please.

FearlessOne_2014

this should be another interesting thread. Subbed

Cyn_v84

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Cyn_v84 wrote: »

Drama incoming. I'm taking a subscription on this thread

@Cyn_v84
That'll be $39.99 please.

Do I get acces to al DLC for that price too?

acw37162

Troll threads are just trollish.

Funny thing the sun is up now so trolls should be under a bridge.

Kali_Despoine

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Buffs are not the answer
If every class could twiddle their toes and do 60k dps, the speed of all completions would rise instantly.

So do we just buff for balance until every player character can look at something and delete it with their mind?

I'm sorry but I don't use my toes. I use my fingers and thumbs. But hey I would like to see that video of you using your toes to command your toon. Could also be why your not doing very good damage.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

You're right, I'm no expert in MMOs strategy but I heard it's best to buff things to equal standing rather than nerf everything to crap.

Yeah right? why would anyone want to do 28k when there is a class pulling 45k.

I don't have time to do a trial that would take a day to run. I want to play and be done with it and move on. Not say "yeah, looks like we're doing a trail that day. Don't have time for anything else sorry."

Sneaky-Snurr

Cyn_v84 wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Cyn_v84 wrote: »

Drama incoming. I'm taking a subscription on this thread

@Cyn_v84
That'll be $39.99 please.

Do I get acces to al DLC for that price too?

@Cyn_v84
No DLCs. Just 'chapters'. And that'll cost you $39.99 each for half of one 'chapter'.

KingJ

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

I'm very confused about this nerf sorcs mentality.
I would think you would want your favorite class buffed to sorc status.
Do you like doing sub par damage so much you think everyone needs it?
How about more "Buff Us Like a Sorc" thread instead?
There is no need to be jelly.
Get off the Nerf Bus and get on the Buffed Like a Sorc Train.

Well ZOs just nerfed every class that was under sorc,why do you think they would buff the other classes after nerfing them? Use your head they won't. Sorc are currently the best solo magic class,Highest DPS in PVE ,Best group utility in encase (cheaper than talons)Negate best ultimate for wiping large groups healers can't heal. Has access to one of the best dueling specs pet sorc. Dark deal in 1 second now give more resources back than siphoning attacks in its whole duration when it comes to PvP and has no counter play because you don't lose resources if interrupted. Yea sorc are balanced and don't need to be tune down.Either bring sorc down to everyone level which is easier or rise the power creep more and buff everyone to sorc over preforming level.

I have my sorc ready for next patch its funny how sorc only happy when they are above the other classes.

zaria

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Buffs are not the answer
If every class could twiddle their toes and do 60k dps, the speed of all completions would rise instantly.

So do we just buff for balance until every player character can look at something and delete it with their mind?

We will have an huge nerf incommoding with Morrowind.
I want you to do the veteran pledges with random groups next week, then come back and say if nerfs is an good idea.
Note that random dungeons is the reality not streamers.

Or we continue to nerf the strongest class every patch until overland content get hard

IcyDeadPeople

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

I'm very confused about this nerf sorcs mentality.
I would think you would want your favorite class buffed to sorc status.
Do you like doing sub par damage so much you think everyone needs it?
How about more "Buff Us Like a Sorc" thread instead?
There is no need to be jelly.
Get off the Nerf Bus and get on the Buffed Like a Sorc Train.

IMO they are not as overpowered as some are making them out to be (certainly not as bad as magicka DK at launch), but there is the combination of tankiness and high damage output + strong ranged execute for the popular sorc builds with large shields that scale on the same stat as the offensive damage pool. Couple that with recent nerfs to the other classes and I can understand why there seem to be more complaints.

I'd say something along the lines of a slight nerf to hardened ward and they will be pretty much in line with the other classes.

Runschei

Now this will be fun.

Lusty

Perfect balance is a myth,
every patch/buff/nerf/update and you have dozens of threads full of complaints.

KochDerDamonen

zaria wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Buffs are not the answer
If every class could twiddle their toes and do 60k dps, the speed of all completions would rise instantly.

So do we just buff for balance until every player character can look at something and delete it with their mind?

We will have an huge nerf incommoding with Morrowind.
I want you to do the veteran pledges with random groups next week, then come back and say if nerfs is an good idea.
Note that random dungeons is the reality not streamers.

Or we continue to nerf the strongest class every patch until overland content get hard

@Zaria I think it would be fun if overland content was anything more than mashing a single button, yes. I always do dungeons with randoms already, I don't watch streams.

Nerfs are good.

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Buffs are not the answer
If every class could twiddle their toes and do 60k dps, the speed of all completions would rise instantly.

So do we just buff for balance until every player character can look at something and delete it with their mind?

I'm sorry but I don't use my toes. I use my fingers and thumbs. But hey I would like to see that video of you using your toes to command your toon. Could also be why your not doing very good damage.

@Kali_Despoine Sorry, I don't play with my toes. I don't play a sorcerer :^)

DannyLV702

Cus they don't like to see you winninnnnn'
They wanna see you in the nerf-entiary

FearlessOne_2014

zaria wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Buffs are not the answer
If every class could twiddle their toes and do 60k dps, the speed of all completions would rise instantly.

So do we just buff for balance until every player character can look at something and delete it with their mind?

We will have an huge nerf incommoding with Morrowind.
I want you to do the veteran pledges with random groups next week, then come back and say if nerfs is an good idea.
Note that random dungeons is the reality not streamers.

Or we continue to nerf the strongest class every patch until overland content get hard

Now that may actually be interesting. If only all classes was equal. However people don't want sorcs to be equal. People here just want the sorcerer class to go bye bye for a while.

While I'm glad I invested the past 2 to 3 months on my templars and nightblades. I might invest the rest of my time on my dk now that the others are up to par.

Again I'm one of those people who can say.



"Come at me @Wrobel, whatcha got now? I have it all atm." Will you be able to say the same. When it's your prized class is next on the chopping block?. Mage Guild 10 was a pain on my alts btw just missing it on my newly made StamSorc you see there.

Libonotus

It just people moaning because Sorcs shield stack when it's literally so easy to counter a shield stacking sorc. All you have to do is interrupt them or CC them when they try to cast a shield and the cast fails

FearlessOne_2014

Libonotus wrote: »

It just people moaning because Sorcs shield stack when it's literally so easy to counter a shield stacking sorc. All you have to do is interrupt them or CC them when they try to cast a shield and the cast fails

Don't forget Shield Breaker. Which completely shut down a sorc.

However watching forums is entertaining as I wait in queue for my competitive PvP matches in Smite. Two monitors equals GG.

Stay Frosty Guys!

Don't worry I'll be on ESO later on tonight.

Kali_Despoine

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

@Kali_Despoine Sorry, I don't play with my toes. I don't play a sorcerer :^)

I'm sorry but I have been playing my sorc since week 2 of launch on ps4. She is my first toon. We have been through nerf after nerf. Now the pets get a buff and everyone complains that sorcs are OP.
I remember a day when we sorcs were the ones left out of the hard modes and end games. Sorry we need a nightblade not you and your sorc.
Maybe it's the gears fault so nerf the gear then. Necro got you down?
What are you going to do when Knight-Slayer comes out? you going to cry some more?

What you should be asking for is a buff or a set that is comparable, oh wait there is one that's all stam and no need for a pet to proc it? Why yes good sir there is.

You throwing the sorcs under the bus does nothing for every other class out there now does it.

Just remember that one day your class will be the flavor of the month and I will still be playing my sorc.

If you haven't been playing since launch you have no right to call nerf to any class.

Shadow_Viper_vX

Because people would rather cry to ZOS instead of Learning to Play

Kali_Despoine

Libonotus wrote: »

It just people moaning because Sorcs shield stack when it's literally so easy to counter a shield stacking sorc. All you have to do is interrupt them or CC them when they try to cast a shield and the cast fails

they have a poison for that you know. Once the magica or stam (vigor spammers) is gone then it's gone cause most people don't build for regen. They build for burst damage.

leepalmer95

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

@Kali_Despoine Sorry, I don't play with my toes. I don't play a sorcerer :^)

I'm sorry but I have been playing my sorc since week 2 of launch on ps4. She is my first toon. We have been through nerf after nerf. Now the pets get a buff and everyone complains that sorcs are OP.
I remember a day when we sorcs were the ones left out of the hard modes and end games. Sorry we need a nightblade not you and your sorc.
Maybe it's the gears fault so nerf the gear then. Necro got you down?
What are you going to do when Knight-Slayer comes out? you going to cry some more?

What you should be asking for is a buff or a set that is comparable, oh wait there is one that's all stam and no need for a pet to proc it? Why yes good sir there is.

You throwing the sorcs under the bus does nothing for every other class out there now does it.

Just remember that one day your class will be the flavor of the month and I will still be playing my sorc.

If you haven't been playing since launch you have no right to call nerf to any class.

Necro is not the problem

Scamp dps is the problem, it's getting nerfed tomorrow anyway.

Buffing everything to the current top dps is not the way to balance a game, thats a horrible idea.

Mattock_Romulus

I have two mains. Stam DK and Magicka Sorc. I don't care which class they buff or nerf.

I recommend having one stamina and one magicka character that way at least one character is always viable.

Kali_Despoine

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Buffing everything to the current top dps is not the way to balance a game, thats a horrible idea.

so is nerfing everything to bottom dps so whats your real point?

I don't care if they nerf pets. I think they are a bit strong but they just buffed them to be more viable in end game. It's not my fault or yours that they only have 2 settings for this game. Beast mode or suck hard. I don't use them unless I'm healing anyways. Pets are and have been broken since launch. They will never fix sorc pets. I don't think they know how.
I did a run as a pet build and while my group and I were nearing the end my pet was still fighting back at the beginning. That makes them broken.

leepalmer95

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Buffing everything to the current top dps is not the way to balance a game, thats a horrible idea.

so is nerfing everything to bottom dps so whats your real point?

I don't care if they nerf pets. I think they are a bit strong but they just buffed them to be more viable in end game. It's not my fault or yours that they only have 2 settings for this game. Beast mode or suck hard. I don't use them unless I'm healing anyways. Pets are and have been broken since launch. They will never fix sorc pets. I don't think they know how.
I did a run as a pet build and while my group and I were nearing the end my pet was still fighting back at the beginning. That makes them broken.

But they aren't nerfing everything to bottom dps.

They increase the lower dps and decrease the higher dps, sorc pets are broken as dps build currently, nothing comes close to a dps pet sorc.