Q's will be a issue for CP players

Durham

Currently 9pm est Friday
Trueflame is locked at 56 Q
Had is at 3 bars Red, 2 bars blue

None CP is not locked 3 bars across

What is ZOS thinking about taking away a CP campaign and added a non CP?
So CP players will either play Q's or go to non CP to escape the Q's ..........

Baconlad

Thats exactly what it is, they are now punishing us for playing how we want, while saying we have "options"...like its OUR choice or OUR fault we have to wait in a 91 "q" to get into TF. Thats what it is...im choosing to wait in a 90 "Q" camp...because thats better than the crappy no CP no skill camps

RMerlin

I had a queue of over 70 to get on TF. Once I got in, the first transitus I take to get to the fight, I get hit by an endless loadscreen. Alt-F4, log back in, and I'm back in queue, this time 101.

expletive-deleted this game. It's been complete radio silence from ZOS on these endless load screen issues despite God knows how many /bug filed, it's been radio silence as well on replacing this *** queue system with something remotely intelligent so, at the very least, an abnormal disconnect (i.e. not through a /camp) wouldn't put you back at the bottom of the queue, but at the top of it.

Already wasted 40 minutes of my time waiting the first time, gonna have to go find something else to spend my Friday evening. This is beyond infuriating at this point.

And now they are gonna pretty much corral people through only one single CP-enabled campaign. This is ill-advised planning at best.

Durham

Red is locked out on Hader right now lol

so what are we going to do ZOS ????????????

Poliwrath

You guys don't seem to understand that zos wants you to play noncp. I'd wager it'll be all noncp at some point, but they want to let people adjust first.

NBrookus

I started early, no queue, but the rest of my group waited over 45 minutes. Then the load screens started and the lag. And then people started crashing. So... normal Friday night.

Making the TF issues worse might drive some people to no CP, but I'll wager it'll drive as many right out of the game.

Rohamad_Ali

Poliwrath wrote: »

You guys don't seem to understand that zos wants you to play noncp. I'd wager it'll be all noncp at some point, but they want to let people adjust first.

That's a pretty big issue for everyone that maxed cp out for PVP . They need to come up with something different for compensation of time . Talent system as someone else mentioned or something that does not take away from the work put out .

Durham

Not a CP vs. No CP issue here guys... just want ZOS to understand that 45 minute Q's are unacceptable ... It will be worse then it is now 2-3 weeks from now after the sparkle fades from the BG's...

Durham

Poliwrath wrote: »

You guys don't seem to understand that zos wants you to play noncp. I'd wager it'll be all noncp at some point, but they want to let people adjust first.

Yep right after the delete button for many

Minalan

100+ queues. People would rather wait a whole hour than play No-CP.

Hilarious..

Ashamray

Abandon Lagodiil, all aboard BG train!

Durham

Minalan wrote: »

100+ queues. People would rather wait a whole hour than play No-CP.

Hilarious..

I play with friends they are in a campaign ... i would prefer that campaign .. right now we never have a Q.... this is my point

Last night night was just an example that another non CP campaign is not needed... in fact the opposite is needed..

Yes they are waiting a whole hour or logging ... because last night the Q was close to 100 on True flame and the other CP campaign was 3 bars to locked...

I hope BGs are very successful so when I come home on Fridays I can actually play the game ...but I fear it will quickly drive off the casual players ..and they will return the campaigns ...

NACtron

EP had a que last night that was above 100 and it took some 1.5 hours to get in. Really worried what it will be like a month from now after everyone hss gotten bored of battlegrounds

Malic

Durham wrote: »

Currently 9pm est Friday
Trueflame is locked at 56 Q
Had is at 3 bars Red, 2 bars blue

None CP is not locked 3 bars across

What is ZOS thinking about taking away a CP campaign and added a non CP?
So CP players will either play Q's or go to non CP to escape the Q's ..........

What are they thinking? I couldnt possibly guess the workings of another humans mind but the behavior suggests a desire to direct players to non cp campaigns.

Now why is that a big deal? Think for a moment the major overhaul of the VR system to the CP system. Now think "why do they want to steer people away from this overhauled system"?

The answer is alarming, it would suggest to the critical thinker (which clearly you are) that the overhauled CP system is flawed in some way. Further one would have to come to the logical question "why arent they overhauling the flawed system, you know fixing the problem not the symptom?"

The logical answer would be one of the following: 1. Lack of resources. 2. Lack of will 3.Lack of knowledge.

We know from the boasting of the exec Firor that they have what is it now 8.5 million players? So I find option 1 to be a silly conclusion. Option 2 might be it, but diagnosis of the symptom suggest they know what the problem is. Option 3 isnt likely either because they created the CP system.

So option 2 seems the best answer, logically. This suggests that they know what the problem is but are unwilling to fix it at this time. This logical conclusion is what is at the core of the angst against ZOS. When most of us know the CP system is the problem, and we know the creators of the problem are unwilling to fix it we enter into the loss of faith as a consumer mindset.


They created a system that broke PvP, they have maintained it for a long time now at players expense. Bad companies do this, and mask this outcome with bandaid fixes and diversion tactics (what you posted is a diversion). If you've read this and understand it, and continue to support the game with your consumption, you are directly contributing to the problem.

Magıc

Malic wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Currently 9pm est Friday
Trueflame is locked at 56 Q
Had is at 3 bars Red, 2 bars blue

None CP is not locked 3 bars across

What is ZOS thinking about taking away a CP campaign and added a non CP?
So CP players will either play Q's or go to non CP to escape the Q's ..........

What are they thinking? I couldnt possibly guess the workings of another humans mind but the behavior suggests a desire to direct players to non cp campaigns.

Now why is that a big deal? Think for a moment the major overhaul of the VR system to the CP system. Now think "why do they want to steer people away from this overhauled system"?

The answer is alarming, it would suggest to the critical thinker (which clearly you are) that the overhauled CP system is flawed in some way. Further one would have to come to the logical question "why arent they overhauling the flawed system, you know fixing the problem not the symptom?"

The logical answer would be one of the following: 1. Lack of resources. 2. Lack of will 3.Lack of knowledge.

We know from the boasting of the exec Firor that they have what is it now 8.5 million players? So I find option 1 to be a silly conclusion. Option 2 might be it, but diagnosis of the symptom suggest they know what the problem is. Option 3 isnt likely either because they created the CP system.

So option 2 seems the best answer, logically. This suggests that they know what the problem is but are unwilling to fix it at this time. This logical conclusion is what is at the core of the angst against ZOS. When most of us know the CP system is the problem, and we know the creators of the problem are unwilling to fix it we enter into the loss of faith as a consumer mindset.


They created a system that broke PvP, they have maintained it for a long time now at players expense. Bad companies do this, and mask this outcome with bandaid fixes and diversion tactics (what you posted is a diversion). If you've read this and understand it, and continue to support the game with your consumption, you are directly contributing to the problem.

Lol.

Durham

Lol

Subversus

I don't think you guys understand how this works. They don't need feedback on how many CP campaigns they need. They know very well. What they are trying to do is make you all start playing noCP, because you'll get huge queue times. It's how it works.

Just as someone else said in this thread, you go where your friends are. When groups get sick of waiting in queues, they switch to noCP. They will bring their friends too. This is a slow process in which they are effectively trying to kill off CP PVP.

Don't be delusional and try to tell yourselves that this is anything else.

Grunim

Subversus wrote: »

I don't think you guys understand how this works. They don't need feedback on how many CP campaigns they need. They know very well. What they are trying to do is make you all start playing noCP, because you'll get huge queue times. It's how it works.

Just as someone else said in this thread, you go where your friends are. When groups get sick of waiting in queues, they switch to noCP. They will bring their friends too. This is a slow process in which they are effectively trying to kill off CP PVP.

Don't be delusional and try to tell yourselves that this is anything else.

We Know

CavalryPK

Baconlad wrote: »

Thats exactly what it is, they are now punishing us for playing how we want, while saying we have "options"...like its OUR choice or OUR fault we have to wait in a 91 "q" to get into TF. Thats what it is...im choosing to wait in a 90 "Q" camp...because thats better than the crappy no CP no skill camps

No cp no skill... lol....

Asgari

The game was just rebalanced around cp. so forcing players into no cp doesn't really make sense.

Grampa_Smurf

I just Q for both if TF is to high, I just go play either a NoN CP or another CP while waiting for the Q for TF to pop.

DoccEff

Azuras on PC EU has queues of 70+ during primetime too. There are too many noCP-haters here that just make numbers up to underline their arguments. I get it, you like CP-PvP. But all this "no one wants to play noCP!"-circle-jerking of CP-players here on this forums gets pretty annoying.

bronski

DoccEff wrote: »

Azuras on PC EU has queues of 70+ during primetime too. There are too many noCP-haters here that just make numbers up to underline their arguments. I get it, you like CP-PvP. But all this "no one wants to play noCP!"-circle-jerking of CP-players here on this forums gets pretty annoying.

Maybe on EP side. i play mostly on azura and highest ive seen on DC in a long time was 45 saturday at prime time, otherwise the q is pretty fast and AD isnt even poplocked most of the time.

Compare that to tf + haderus and you see why people might be worried

Subversus

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

The game was just rebalanced around cp. so forcing players into no cp doesn't really make sense.

Since when does anything ZOS does make sense?

They realized the no CP ordeal works better on the servers than CP. What's the cheapest way out of such a situation? No? Ok let me help you out here: it doesn't involve upgrading the servers.

Durham

Actually was in a podcast from ZoS saying that the no CP weekend did not help with server performance ... ZoS has never confirmed your assertion...

3 weeks from now CP players will face very large Qs... especially if the casual player does not buy into the battle ground....

I prefer CP but I think balance should be done seperately from PVE...