On PS4 we've got a serious problem with overpopulation on AD in Cyrodiil

Twohothardware

And it has reached the point these last couple of months where the two major Cyrodiil Campaigns Scourge and Haderus are not competitive at all beyond a few short spurts a few days here and there. This needs to be addressed in Morrowind as simply resetting Campaigns won't do anything.

Right now during prime time you'll be able to get into Scourge on EP with no wait at all and will be lucky at times if you even have a full 3 bars whereas AD will have a 100-200+ player queue. This means around the clock in the Campaign they have more players than DC and EP and then you have the factor of AD having a lot bigger guilds which means bigger zergs and a lot more vets that have reached max CP.

You're resetting Campaigns in Morrowind and changing several of them to no-CP but what are you actually doing to rebalance player populations now that so many players have made AD characters the last few months to jump on the easy train? There was a similar situation last year when DC map capped Scourge for a few months and PvP became very stale but it's gotten even worse this time because AD has enough players to pop cap multiple campaigns at once.

There needs to be incentives to go and play on the lesser populated EP and DC alliances whether that be double AP or something else and there needs to be Campaign buffs and penalties that make it harder for the first place Alliance to stay in first place so that we don't have these 5,000 and 10,000 point leads halfway through a Campaign causing even more players to go join the winning Alliance when they know theirs can't catch up.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

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Lol, AD is generally the underdog on XB NA, in every campaign.

GreenSoup2HoT

Most of the DC ps4 players in my opinion are waiting for Morrowwind or have moved on to different games.

Koolio

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Most of the DC ps4 players in my opinion are waiting for Morrowwind or have moved on to different games.

I haven't seen you in a while on the game. Are you waiting as well?

They should probably add the scroll bonuses to emperor. Make them worth a lot of points for the campaign. Then add buffs to the last two home keeps each alliance has. Something like 5% buff to all stats for each of the two main keeps missing. Make it difficult as hell to steal scrolls. But worth it. Right now there is no reason not to just go to the losing teams keeps and gate lock them. It's almost encouraged. If AD is opening a D.C. Gate Ep runs to the other one because it's less defended. Add that up everyday and people just change alliance and or campaigns to win.

Moglijuana

I wish ZOS sold faction changes =/. My whole guild would switch a bunch of toons over to DC.

Takes-No-Prisoner

As someone who is a AD purest since I started ESO; The real problem here is flip floppers. People who just join the winning side with the better looking tidal wave of zergs that actually take objectives.

As long as there is nothing in it for players to keep to alliance loyalty, this stuff is just going to continue on its current trek.

Moglijuana wrote: »

I wish ZOS sold faction changes =/. My whole guild would switch a bunch of toons over to DC.

At this point I would probably join you in that boat. It's pretty ridiculous.

Draekony

yeah would buy 3 faction changes right now.

llSRRll

From what I have heard ( not sure if its true) is that the EU 30 day CP campaign was shut down several months ago so they where bribed to come to NA with gear and gold to start there. Like I said I have no proof of this and can no way prove it but have heard it quit a bit lately.

llSRRll

Draekony wrote: »

yeah would buy 3 faction changes right now.

You should be able to do that factions quest line to change factions. Make it something in game would not only make sense but would be a nice addition to the purpose of doing them.

Twohothardware

llSRRll wrote: »

Draekony wrote: »

yeah would buy 3 faction changes right now.

You should be able to do that factions quest line to change factions. Make it something in game would not only make sense but would be a nice addition to the purpose of doing them.

The only problem is that without incentives to go to EP and DC then there would be more people faction changing to AD than the other way around.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Twohothardware wrote: »

llSRRll wrote: »

Draekony wrote: »

yeah would buy 3 faction changes right now.

You should be able to do that factions quest line to change factions. Make it something in game would not only make sense but would be a nice addition to the purpose of doing them.

The only problem is that without incentives to go to EP and DC then there would be more people faction changing to AD than the other way around.

How do you fix a problem like this?

Me personally, I don't have time to re-roll toons. So there needs to be something that persuades people to stay on their native alliance.

Cêltic421

Really? AD has that many players now? I haven't PvP in couple months, EP was dominating several campaign at same time.

KingJ

Liam12548 wrote: »

Lol, AD is generally the underdog on XB NA, in every campaign.

Lmao go to scrounge and you know this a lie 3 bars at 9 am. Yea they are the real underdogs on Xbox NA.

DannyLV702

One problem is that all players switch between AD Aand DC depending on the season lol. The only good leader to ever try and balance things by playing on red was Bacon.

The-Baconator

AD has always had the largest number of guilds and players but it hasn't been as noticeable because they've been spread out over a variety of campaigns. Scourge is as bad as it is right now as a result of these guilds being chased off of their old buff servers and most EP\DC guilds choosing easymode PvDoor on other campaigns over actual PvP where they are outnumbered the majority of the day. All three alliances have more than enough guilds\players to actually have a competitive and balanced campaigns but most simply don't like being challenged.

Edit: To be clear, I still believe wholeheartedly that AD has WAY to many guilds on scourge atm, but a lot of the effect could be lessened by red\blue having their guilds actually step up and try to get better instead of loosing a 24v48 and running over to skull with their tails between their legs.

The_Duke

If there was ever proof that Zos messed up by allowing multiple characters from different factions on one server this is it.

Takes-No-Prisoner

The-Baconator wrote: »

AD has always had the largest number of guilds and players but it hasn't been as noticeable because they've been spread out over a variety of campaigns. Scourge is as bad as it is right now as a result of these guilds being chased off of their old buff servers and most EP\DC guilds choosing easymode PvDoor on other campaigns over actual PvP where they are outnumbered the majority of the day. All three alliances have more than enough guilds\players to actually have a competitive and balanced campaigns but most simply don't like being challenged.

Edit: To be clear, I still believe wholeheartedly that AD has WAY to many guilds on scourge atm, but a lot of the effect could be lessened by red\blue having their guilds actually step up and try to get better instead of loosing a 24v48 and running over to skull with their tails between their legs.

This is pretty much on target with what I was seeing. We really need these people to come back and compete.

I mean easymode won't make their 24-man groups any better then they already are. But what do I know

IcyDeadPeople

Liam12548 wrote: »

Lol, AD is generally the underdog on XB NA, in every campaign.

Sounds like there is only one solution. We need cross platform ASAP

DannyLV702

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

Lol, AD is generally the underdog on XB NA, in every campaign.

Sounds like there is only one solution. We need cross platform ASAP

Noooooo can you imagine the queue lines? Lol as an EP I haven't seen a queue line in months. AD constantly has a queue of 50+ idk how they have the patience for that

GreenSoup2HoT

Koolio wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Most of the DC ps4 players in my opinion are waiting for Morrowwind or have moved on to different games.

I haven't seen you in a while on the game. Are you waiting as well?

Havent played since Homestead came out. Been playing Ark Survival and got hooked. Im an Admin for a pve player dedicated community.

May come back Morrowwind, i dunno. Dont think anyone has missed me anyway.

Hammy01

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

As someone who is a AD purest since I started ESO; The real problem here is flip floppers. People who just join the winning side with the better looking tidal wave of zergs that actually take objectives.

As long as there is nothing in it for players to keep to alliance loyalty, this stuff is just going to continue on its current trek.

Moglijuana wrote: »

I wish ZOS sold faction changes =/. My whole guild would switch a bunch of toons over to DC.

At this point I would probably join you in that boat. It's pretty ridiculous.

This has been a big problem ever since ZOS changed the campaign locks.... A lot of people always take the path of least resistance and flip over to the winning side thus creating an ever growing problem with campaign faction imbalances. Of course these people will always say they are swapping sides to play with their friends .
As far as in can remember (of all the MMOs i have played in the last 13+ years) this is the only MMO that allows you to freely swap sides anytime you want!

reiverx

Flip flop flip flop.

People want to be on a winner. People also like to get tier 3 rewards on all their characters.

AD went from March to December last year without a win. I remember DC dominating Scourge by over 20k on several occasions. It was pretty bad being on AD but I stuck with it.

Now that AD is popular, the balance has shifted sharply the other way and I don't like it either. However, there won't be a happy medium with the current setup. Allowing people to switch alliances on a given campaign, on a whim, was damaging and very short-sighted.

Sadly, boredom has been setting in for the last few campaigns and the next patch has got absolutely nothing I'm looking forward to. Elite:Dangerous, anyone?

Takes-No-Prisoner

reiverx wrote: »

AD went from March to December last year without a win. I remember DC dominating Scourge by over 20k on several occasions. It was pretty bad being on AD but I stuck with it.

Now that AD is popular, the balance has shifted sharply the other way and I don't like it either. However, there won't be a happy medium with the current setup. Allowing people to switch alliances on a given campaign, on a whim, was damaging and very short-sighted.

Agreed 100%

KingJ

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

Lol, AD is generally the underdog on XB NA, in every campaign.

Sounds like there is only one solution. We need cross platform ASAP

Cross platform would be awesome.Xbox said they are fine with allowing some games to be cross platform Sony just have to agree if PS4 players ask Sony they might allow it.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Hammy01 wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

As someone who is a AD purest since I started ESO; The real problem here is flip floppers. People who just join the winning side with the better looking tidal wave of zergs that actually take objectives.

As long as there is nothing in it for players to keep to alliance loyalty, this stuff is just going to continue on its current trek.

Moglijuana wrote: »

I wish ZOS sold faction changes =/. My whole guild would switch a bunch of toons over to DC.

At this point I would probably join you in that boat. It's pretty ridiculous.

This has been a big problem ever since ZOS changed the campaign locks.... A lot of people always take the path of least resistance and flip over to the winning side thus creating an ever growing problem with campaign faction imbalances. Of course these people will always say they are swapping sides to play with their friends .
As far as in can remember (of all the MMOs i have played in the last 13+ years) this is the only MMO that allows you to freely swap sides anytime you want!

I never had a problem with campaign locks, but there were folks out there who have multiple different alliance toons who did for the very opposite reason. There was a pretty large movement against the locks on the fourms not too long ago. To double back a sec, this problem is not limited to just PS4 NA, every server and platform has this problem.

So how do you introduce locks like this without stepping on these peoples toes who worked to get the original locks removed? I was thinking a cool down of a couple of hours before you can switch to different alliances on the same campaign. But IMO, that is not enough-- at least for what I see on PS4/NA.

Like, I don't want to play on AD anymore, because I feel like I am just contributing to the problem. And I haven't played for the past week and a half.

The_Duke

Its amazing how things can change on one server. At one point it was almost a Blue buff server now its over run with yellow zergs. When blue works together we can change the map but those days seem fewer and far between. The fact that Ive seen Bacon on his blue lately is evidence of how much things can change.

The-Baconator

The thing is most of the people doing the switching between alliances are just players zergsurfing solo or in smaller groups so they don't really make any difference at all to the map. I have friends who regularly dodge scourge because of the lag\zergy nature of the campaign and most people would be surprised how many scourge regulars can be found hiding away in skull or had the second things to a turn for the worst on the map for their respective alliances only to magically return when they have half of the map. This isn't as much of a problem on blue from my experience but this problem has haunted red for months with most of their active guilds falling into that category.

For an example, my first time back to the game in months I helped guildies push for emp on had while I was still in homed in scourge. Even with only 5-6 players from our guild and 2-4 extras people brought in from our circle of friends we essentially crowned emp against a couple different guilds multiple times when the pops were poplocked red, 2 bar blue, 1 bar yellow. Magically after this happened, said red guilds vanished and either skull or scourge noticed an influx in population. Now these guilds aren't particularly good, but they are big enough and coordinated enough to make a difference on scourge. And seeing as how this has been a problem for red even back in the days of Azura's Star, I would probably guess it won't be solved anytime soon.

PhxOldGamer68

During prime time, EP can dominate with only 2 bars so EP has good guilds and players, but EP cannot sustain competitively when prime time players drop off for the night.

Vivec will be the new Scourge, except it will be pop locked 24/7 by all alliances. All the Haderus and Skull guilds and groups will join Vivec if they want CP.

The-Baconator

PhxOldGamer68 wrote: »

During prime time, EP can dominate with only 2 bars so EP has good guilds and players, but EP cannot sustain competitively when prime time players drop off for the night.

Vivec will be the new Scourge, except it will be pop locked 24/7 by all alliances. All the Haderus and Skull guilds and groups will join Vivec if they want CP.

EP doesn't "dominate" in any context without stacking every single guild they have up and marching in one direction only to have the whole blob alternate between fronts as one once they own the ales\alessia corridors, just like AD is doing right now. The difference is AD guilds don't rage quit the second they're outnumbered and go hide in a buff campaign.

Takes-No-Prisoner

I would have to agree with Bacon-bits on their previous post. EP can dominate, but its severely limited to when they coordinate their pushes depending on what DC or AD is doing.

They can't survive doing just that. They need map presence 24/7.

I know @TequilaFire mentioned in the other thread;

TequilaFire wrote: »

We have good guild leaders on EP, but they get tired of having their guilds play the map the way it is supposed to be only to be attacked in text chat by all the wannabe 1vX players that think that is how the game is supposed to be played.

We get ridiculed for taking objectives for campaign points and scrolls to weaken the enemy and give our alliance buffs.

After working hard and taking objectives we turn around and EP standing around has lost what we took only to put in text chat why were we across the map taking another keep instead of coming back and defending the keep they were standing in but too chicken to jump off the wall and wipe out the enemy siege.

Can't be everywhere at once, no wonder so many good EP guilds have left.
They are hated on by their own alliance.

/rant

That the in-fighting is taking a toll on their resolve. EP leaders and guilds running in Scourge really need to keep focused and not let the whining EP get to them. AD leaders and guilds gets their fair share of it, but they keep going. Even Allmaden I've heard gets trashed on by DC, but he keeps going too despite naysayers.

The_Duke

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

I would have to agree with Bacon-bits on their previous post. EP can dominate, but its severely limited to when they coordinate their pushes depending on what DC or AD is doing.

They can't survive doing just that. They need map presence 24/7.

I know @TequilaFire mentioned in the other thread;

TequilaFire wrote: »

We have good guild leaders on EP, but they get tired of having their guilds play the map the way it is supposed to be only to be attacked in text chat by all the wannabe 1vX players that think that is how the game is supposed to be played.

We get ridiculed for taking objectives for campaign points and scrolls to weaken the enemy and give our alliance buffs.

After working hard and taking objectives we turn around and EP standing around has lost what we took only to put in text chat why were we across the map taking another keep instead of coming back and defending the keep they were standing in but too chicken to jump off the wall and wipe out the enemy siege.

Can't be everywhere at once, no wonder so many good EP guilds have left.
They are hated on by their own alliance.

/rant

That the in-fighting is taking a toll on their resolve. EP leaders and guilds running in Scourge really need to keep focused and not let the whining EP get to them. AD leaders and guilds gets their fair share of it, but they keep going. Even Allmaden I've heard gets trashed on by DC, but he keeps going too despite naysayers.

I never understood why madden gets all the hate he does. Hes always pushing objectives and trying to coordinate groups. Cali hets hate as well. To be honest Ive never grouped with madden so I don't know him personally. I stay away from large groups and focus on resources and drawing more small scale action.